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As in the days of Noah.... - 6/22/2008 4:00:22 AM
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tony.nz
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I received this email from a ministry that I receive information from. Thought it was interesting.
What do May 17, 2004, and May 15, 2008, have in common? One judge and a redefinition of marriage against the will of the people. Both the Massachusetts Superior Court and the California Supreme Court by a one-judge margin redefined what marriage has always been in every culture and every religion for more than 5,000 years of recorded history. Why does this matter? As I wrote in my book, "The Criminalization of Christianity," Jeffrey Satinover, who holds an M.D. from Princeton and doctorates from Yale, MIT and Harvard, was on my radio program one day and I asked him about where we are in history. He explained that according to the "Babylonian Talmud" – the book of rabbis' interpretation of the scriptures 1,000 years before Christ, there was only one time in history that reflects where we are right now. There was only one time in history, according to these writings, where men were given in marriage to men, and women given in marriage to women.
Want to venture a guess as to when? No, it wasn't in Sodom and Gomorrah, although that was my guess. Homosexuality was rampant there, of course, but according to the Talmud, not homosexual "marriage." What about ancient Greece? Rome? No. Babylon? No again. The one time in history when homosexual "marriage" was practiced was … during the days of Noah. And according to Satinover, that's what the "Babylonian Talmud" attributes as the final straw that led to the Flood. Rabbi Aryeh Spero verified this to be true. Rabbi Spero spoke of God's compassion before the Flood, in hopes people would repent and turn back to His ways. He showed patience for hundreds of years. But, he said, the Talmud's writings reveal that "before the Flood people started to write marriage contracts between men, in other words, homosexual 'marriage,' which is more than homosexual activity – it's giving an official state stamp of approval, a sanctification … of homosexual partnership."
In fact, he said, "the writings indicated that it wasn't even so much the 'straw that broke the camel's back,' but that the sin in and of itself is so contrary to why God created the world, so contrary to the order of God's nature, that God said then and there 'I have to start all over … to annihilate the world and start from the beginning. …'" Rabbi Spero went on to say, "Even in ancient Greece they did not write marriage contracts between men. There was homosexuality, and it was wrong, but there was not an official 'blessed' policy. … Marriage is 'sanctification' (not simply a partnership)." He said to confer the title of sanctification and holiness upon this behaviour is "probably one of the greatest sins of all that one does against God's plan for this world."
The one time it happened was: "During the days of Noah." When I first heard this, my mind immediately went to a verse I've heard many times but never with such relevance. The verse is found in Matthew 24:37. It reads: As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. – Mathew 24:37 (NIV)
I used to read this verse and think: It was bad at lots of points in history; it doesn't necessarily mean now, but if these Jewish writings are true, we are uniquely in the "days of Noah" right now – and only right now. But it can't be yet, you say. You have a lot going on in your life? You're getting married? Here's how the New Living Translation describes that very sentiment in Luke: When the Son of Man returns, the world will be like the people were in Noah's day. In those days before the Flood, the people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat, and the flood came to destroy them all. – Luke 17:26-27 Happily going about as if everything was fine was what they did, too.
You don't like this possibility? Don't even believe in the Flood? Doesn't matter. Some things are true whether you believe them or not. How can you be sure? There's a way. Did you know that about one-fourth of the Bible is prophecy? A quarter of the Bible is a lot – it's a big book. And did you know God's standard? Perfection. That means that if even one of those prophecies is wrong, you can discount the whole thing. Kind of like a prophet who makes a false prediction – that made him a false prophet and a candidate for stoning. Did you know that 4,000 prophecies in that Bible have already come true down to the last detail? That leaves about 1,000 left to be fulfilled – those are the ones regarding the last days before the return of Christ, which are being checked off the list right now.
If 4,000 out of 5,000 prophecies have already occurred exactly as the Bible predicted they would, you might want to pay attention to the rest?
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/22/2008 10:11:31 AM
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The thing that shocks me…there is nothing in the world that we can do about the situation. Satan has put himself in such a position of control that only God can alter the outcome.
We have placed higher level judges in a position of power as to where they can control the moral aspect of our lives. They are given a position, not elected and there is nothing we can do to replace them. It’s the same with the media (press), they are secular liberals and they work to alter our perception of moral values on a continuous basis.
Only the Christian that has a firm foundation in Christ has the ability to withstand the onslaught.
Bob
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/22/2008 11:28:44 AM
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And we are worried about gas prices? God help us and have mercy on us!
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 3:29:15 AM
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I was falling asleep tonite and seen on the "insider"where a 83 year woman married her female lover of 50 years in California. Also Sulu? from Star Trek was on there with his partner.
My hubby turned to me and asked" has any country ever had legalized gay marriage"? I was like I don't know. I don't think so.
We are in trouble.
full of every unclean bird.......
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 1:30:09 PM
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Yep. And come November, things are going to go downhill exponentially. It may well be--and I say this in all seriousness--the land we know as the United States may be so radically different four years from now that it might as well be another country altogther.
May we as the body of Christ use this coming persecution to knit us more completely together in love.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 1:36:16 PM
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As in the days of Noah...
I have wondered, from time to time, why God has tolerated the human race so... sent his only Son to die on the cross for our wretched sins. I don't have the words...
Why hasn't God just crashed an Earth-sized asteroid into the Terra-firma of this space rock and be done with us - for good! Well, the answer is that "God loves us."
Well, me and several other million people are thankful... I may not fully understand the why but I do understand "thank you."
I remember reading that in the paper. My heart sank. But, I still know that God is in control. Nothing happens without God's say so... "Thy will be done..."
Homosexuality makes absolutely no sense at all to me.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 2:29:08 PM
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The thing that shocks me…there is nothing in the world that we can do about the situation. Satan has put himself in such a position of control that only God can alter the outcome.
We have placed higher level judges in a position of power as to where they can control the moral aspect of our lives. They are given a position, not elected and there is nothing we can do to replace them. It’s the same with the media (press), they are secular liberals and they work to alter our perception of moral values on a continuous basis.
Only the Christian that has a firm foundation in Christ has the ability to withstand the onslaught.
Bob
Maybe Satan being the "prince of the air," "ruler of this world" will
take on a more clear meaning to us.
Hopefully, we'll finally recognize our position in things and what our
citizenship really is and means.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 3:02:22 PM
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Hopefully, we'll finally recognize our position in things and what our
citizenship really is and means.
Maybe the real question is...where is our citizenship, where does our citizenship lie?
Bob
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 4:05:02 PM
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JimboFletch
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I received this email from a ministry that I receive information from.
Care to share which ministry and who wrote the article (Janet Folger?)? Perhaps from this Group?
The key to understanding Christ's point in Matthew 24:37 is not some rabinnical interpretation of the Talmud, but in Jesus'own words in Mathew 24:39
"and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."
His point very clearly is that the world will go merrily on its way without regard to God when Jesus will unexpectantly appears.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 5:13:51 PM
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The key to understanding Christ's point in Matthew 24:37 is not some rabinnical interpretation of the Talmud, but in Jesus'own words in Mathew 24:39
"and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."
His point very clearly is that the world will go merrily on its way without regard to God when Jesus will unexpectantly appears.
I have a question about that. When Jesus said "they", do you think he meant everyone on earth or did he mean everyone on earth who did not know Christ? Didn't Noah know the flood was coming?
Doesn't the bible give us things to look for that point to the time of Jesus's return? Doesn't he want us to be prepared?
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/23/2008 11:27:08 PM
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We do need to be somewhat careful of interpreting the Talmud - after all, it is only the record of how the Rabbis have interpreted scripture. Nevertheless, one would think that Jesus would have been aware of what it contains, and in telling us that the days of His return would be "as in the days of Noah" - obviously there is a message there. We could simply interprete it as saying that everybody will just be going on with their day to day lives, as they (we) have for hundreds or thousands of years.
However, God has tolerated the sins of mankind for long periods, both before and after the flood. What does scripture say? genesis 6:5 says that "the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continously..and the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth.."
Obviously, something was different here. Genesis 6 starts with the story of how the sons of God took the daughters of men as wives.....was this the cause, or even the result, of men taking men in marriage? Why does God blame man, for the actions of the sons of God (fallen angels)?
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/24/2008 12:29:21 AM
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Why does God blame man, for the actions of the sons of God (fallen angels)?
I don't think He does...He holds man accountable for their own sins...it takes two to tango.
Did the fallen angels take advantage of mankind...of course and they have and will pay dearly. They have already been chained for thousands of years and face a very long time...what was that term, oh yes eternity, in hell. Sounds pretty serious to me.
Bob
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/24/2008 6:40:44 AM
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Yes, that was my point.
Genesis 6 initially appears to recount the errors of the fallen angel, however it then goes on to say that God was grieved by the sin of men. He would not logically hold men accountable for the sins of fallen angels. What, however, was different in regard to the sins of men, then that that which has occurred before or after? And, what was the connection between the sons of God taking the daughters of men as wives, and the evil which continually filled the heart of mankind?
The explanation provided by the Talmud does make sense. Although certainly not holding scriptural authority, it does hold some credibility.
I also would point out, that some sections of the church appear to be condoning, and even conducting, gay marriages. This, to me, is even more shocking than civil gay marriages. I can understand, to some extent, the rational of a godless government. or civil authority which ascribes no spiritual consequences to their actions. However, to present such a union to God as holy matrimony, is simply indescribable. I have no words for it.
It certainly adds to my view that we are near the end of this age.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/24/2008 7:58:16 AM
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The key to understanding Christ's point in Matthew 24:37 is not some rabinnical interpretation of the Talmud, but in Jesus'own words in Mathew 24:39
"and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."
His point very clearly is that the world will go merrily on its way without regard to God when Jesus will unexpectantly appears.
I have a question about that. When Jesus said "they", do you think he meant everyone on earth or did he mean everyone on earth who did not know Christ? Didn't Noah know the flood was coming?
Doesn't the bible give us things to look for that point to the time of Jesus's return? Doesn't he want us to be prepared?
I am prepared. I have been prepared for 41 years since I was redeemed and born again. Aren't you prepared and, if not, why not?
Look up "The Great Commission" near the end of Matthew and find where worrying with the minutiae of eschatology should be in our focus.
Also, take a quick look in Matthew 25 and see where end times proficiency will be tested by Jesus:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
How prepared are you to deal with THOSE issues RATHER THAN just who might be the beast or which decade Jesus returns? You have no control over the later issues, but you DO have control over the things that matter to God about ministering Jesus to the lost and hurting.
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RE: As in the days of Noah.... - 6/24/2008 2:25:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
The key to understanding Christ's point in Matthew 24:37 is not some rabinnical interpretation of the Talmud, but in Jesus'own words in Mathew 24:39
"and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."
His point very clearly is that the world will go merrily on its way without regard to God when Jesus will unexpectantly appears.
I have a question about that. When Jesus said "they", do you think he meant everyone on earth or did he mean everyone on earth who did not know Christ? Didn't Noah know the flood was coming?
Doesn't the bible give us things to look for that point to the time of Jesus's return? Doesn't he want us to be prepared?
I am prepared. I have been prepared for 41 years since I was redeemed and born again. Aren't you prepared and, if not, why not?
Look up "The Great Commission" near the end of Matthew and find where worrying with the minutiae of eschatology should be in our focus.
Also, take a quick look in Matthew 25 and see where end times proficiency will be tested by Jesus:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
How prepared are you to deal with THOSE issues RATHER THAN just who might be the beast or which decade Jesus returns? You have no control over the later issues, but you DO have control over the things that matter to God about ministering Jesus to the lost and hurting.
Ok, well I must have obviously misunderstood the meaning of your post.
And I would most definitely rather deal with those issues, that is what I think it means to be prepared, not trying to figure out the day of His return or who the AC is, but being prepared in your own life and in your own heart.
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