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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 10:17:11 AM
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freakofnature
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I think my reply to your post on Bush and oil drilling applies here as well...
Yaaaay for common sense...
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 12:00:34 PM
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If it were up to Democrats they'd be in prison. They want OJ justice for terrorists and convictions for our soldiers without a trial.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 5:02:03 PM
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Sophie11
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You know I've noticed that. A good bit of liberal democrats (not all, but a good bit) were oh so quick to insist these poor marines were guilty BEFORE they even went on trial or had charges formerly pressed against them (Murtha would be a good example). But yet when it comes to the poor poor people in Guantanamo, they are innocent until proven guilty. I thought innocent until proven guilty was supposed to go for everyone.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 5:04:21 PM
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freakofnature
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Well now... here ya go again Sophie making sense... Where in holy heavens name do you get these wacky ideas huh?
(P.S. Big brother is watching you, be careful of the black helicopters and Black Chevy Caprice's around your house!)
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 5:11:23 PM
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Sophie11
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Well now... here ya go again Sophie making sense... Where in holy heavens name do you get these wacky ideas huh?
(P.S. Big brother is watching you, be careful of the black helicopters and Black Chevy Caprice's around your house!)
It's ok. I already have my windows covered in tin foil and I'm hiding in a secret cave I've carved out under my basement last year. 
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 5:30:38 PM
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We will now listen to John Murtha apologize to these soldiers for calling them cold blooded killers.....
(Crickets chirping)
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 5:42:10 PM
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rlj
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According to the blog it was a technicality of the kind that if this were say a child rapist or a murderer you'd be up in arms over. I agree with this ruling though even though the officer in question when he refused to investigate this like he should tainted the case in favor of the defendants. There is still Staff Sgt. Wuterich to go through.
The moral of the story is simple really. When you accidentally and not on purpose kill a bunch of civilians in a conflict don't try and cover it up. Rumors only have their place when there are questions to ask and had these soldiers not tried to cover this up then it looks like they would have been ok because they were following procedures. In the end I believe this is a case where the procedures perhaps didn't work though I'm not convinced that any change is neccessary.
Once again though had those involved not tried to cover it up this could have been dealt with a long time ago and no one would have John Murtha to kick around. ; )
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/18/2008 8:14:27 PM
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Sophie11
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According to the blog it was a technicality of the kind that if this were say a child rapist or a murderer you'd be up in arms over. I agree with this ruling though even though the officer in question when he refused to investigate this like he should tainted the case in favor of the defendants. There is still Staff Sgt. Wuterich to go through.
The moral of the story is simple really. When you accidentally and not on purpose kill a bunch of civilians in a conflict don't try and cover it up. Rumors only have their place when there are questions to ask and had these soldiers not tried to cover this up then it looks like they would have been ok because they were following procedures. In the end I believe this is a case where the procedures perhaps didn't work though I'm not convinced that any change is neccessary.
Once again though had those involved not tried to cover it up this could have been dealt with a long time ago and no one would have John Murtha to kick around. ; )
The problem with your statement though is that there was no cover up! The beginning of the whole "cover up" scenario began as soon as the news hit the airwaves. The original press release erroniously stated that the civilians had been killed by some sort of explosion, then when they later found out they were really killed by gunshots, instead of it simply being a mistake made in the initial hurried report, no it had to be a cover up! After that, the reasons for WHY it was a "cover up" just got more and more conveniently twisted to fit what the accusers thought the public would believe more.
Hence my outrage that they were ever charged and put on trial in the first place.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/19/2008 7:40:23 AM
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rlj
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The problem with your statement though is that there was no cover up! The beginning of the whole "cover up" scenario began as soon as the news hit the airwaves. The original press release erroniously stated that the civilians had been killed by some sort of explosion, then when they later found out they were really killed by gunshots, instead of it simply being a mistake made in the initial hurried report, no it had to be a cover up! After that, the reasons for WHY it was a "cover up" just got more and more conveniently twisted to fit what the accusers thought the public would believe more.
My work schedule has been nuts since it is vacation season and I just read that Lt. Grayson was acquitted. Funny how the acquittals aren't news huh?
Let's hope for justice for Wuterich then - whether that means he's innocent or guilty.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/19/2008 8:24:57 AM
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Sophie11
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The problem with your statement though is that there was no cover up! The beginning of the whole "cover up" scenario began as soon as the news hit the airwaves. The original press release erroniously stated that the civilians had been killed by some sort of explosion, then when they later found out they were really killed by gunshots, instead of it simply being a mistake made in the initial hurried report, no it had to be a cover up! After that, the reasons for WHY it was a "cover up" just got more and more conveniently twisted to fit what the accusers thought the public would believe more.
My work schedule has been nuts since it is vacation season and I just read that Lt. Grayson was acquitted. Funny how the acquittals aren't news huh?
Let's hope for justice for Wuterich then - whether that means he's innocent or guilty.
Yes, I am glad to hear that all of these marines are finally getting justice. This whole thing has been nothing but a witchhunt, and it is awful that they had to go through it.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 8:17:40 AM
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rlj
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Yes, I am glad to hear that all of these marines are finally getting justice. This whole thing has been nothing but a witchhunt, and it is awful that they had to go through it.
To be truthful I learned more about what kind of man Murtha is by his silence on being wrong then I did through the accusations.
I figured I should add if I haven't I was wrong to and I'm honestly happy to say it.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 9:08:04 AM
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Sophie11
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Yes, I am glad to hear that all of these marines are finally getting justice. This whole thing has been nothing but a witchhunt, and it is awful that they had to go through it.
To be truthful I learned more about what kind of man Murtha is by his silence on being wrong then I did through the accusations.
I figured I should add if I haven't I was wrong to and I'm honestly happy to say it.
Well there's been so many lies put out there about this that it's hard to keep it straight! I have always had an interest in this case though and so I tried as much as possible to keep up on what was going on. And yes, as far as Murtha goes, he stated they were "cold-blooded murderers" before they were even charged! So much for innocent until proven guilty I guess. I suppose no one should hold their breath waiting for an apology from him though. 
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 9:25:53 AM
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I heard Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani's lawyer yesterday on Chicago's christian talk radio. The ruling is being appealled.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 9:38:09 AM
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rnershigh
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hear ya on that Sophie.
I get sick and tired of how our military gets the shaft.
Yes, there are bad apples in the military, I'm not saying it's a perfect organization but it seems that the media and other left-leaning folks want to think the worst of our military even before the evidence presents itself.
Guilty charge automatically.
It makes me feel better though, knowing that most Americans aren't like this.
Murtha...well, this is what I think of him
Enough said.LOL.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 9:48:43 AM
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djv1255
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but it seems that the media and other left-leaning folks want to think the worst of our military even before the evidence presents itself.
even after the evidence
I do good news YouTube videos on Iraq.
I get a bunch of comments that the pictures of our troops handing out stuffed teddy bears to smiling kids is just a propaganda ploy.
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RE: Charges dropped in Haditha incident - 6/20/2008 10:15:50 AM
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rnershigh
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I know the feeling.
My bro was deployed in Iraq and when I mentioned (not in this forum, somewhere else) about the good things his unit did, they said that was only one account.
It doesn't matter, it's only from one source (and biased one, as it was my own bro) or something stupid like that.
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