Discovered my wifes "christian father" is really agnostic/atheist.
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Discovered my wifes "christian father" is rea... - 8/1/2008 3:05:29 PM
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kmbmhands
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First I want to say I am glad I found this website, I have been carrying this around for a while now since I can't talk to anyone about it.
The story goes like this.
My wife's father is an elder, he tried to start his own church once, he is a biblical authority in the social circles and seen as the perfect christian.
After a long discussion with him he said literally:
The universe is probably what god is,
Miracles are events of extremely high improbability not impossibility
The miracles of the bible where probably stories that were embellished,
Christianity was stolen from ancient Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt,
The Egyptian "HORUS" had the exact same story as Jesus and also shared the same names i.e. "the light"
King tut's father was the first person on record to introduce a single God.
I don't know if if Christianity is right but I'll "go through the motions" just in case hell is real and church benefits my family's growth and helps me network.
Am I making a big deal of this? I brought it up to the Pastor and he acted like it wasn't a problem.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 3:13:31 PM
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ChelaW
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Wow! That's really scary & unfortunate.
I personally don't think you're making a big deal out of it, and I don't really see how the pastor wouldn't agree. It is a big deal, IMO.
I just don't understand how by now he doesn't know that "going through the motions" won't save you from hell...especially if he's a "biblical authority."
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 3:19:03 PM
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kmbmhands
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I feel like its a Cult of Prosperity (They are Evangelical Free Church). No one wants to talk about the hard lines drawn in the bible. The pastor just tells stories and then throws in a irrelevant verse at the end. There are 7 elders and there are only 7 Dr. / PHds and they are the elders. It seems like the pastor is keeping the big tithers close.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 3:22:29 PM
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kmbmhands
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Wow! That's really scary & unfortunate.
I personally don't think you're making a big deal out of it, and I don't really see how the pastor wouldn't agree. It is a big deal, IMO.
I just don't understand how by now he doesn't know that "going through the motions" won't save you from hell...especially if he's a "biblical authority."
He says "I believe Jesus Christ is my personal lord and savior" but he thinks just saying it is enough. I sent him some Paul Washer vids, I don't know if you know who that is, but he said "Oh that's just Calvinism, that theology is dead."
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 3:22:49 PM
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ChelaW
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Two questions: Do you and your wife attend this church? Does she know about what her father said?
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 3:51:41 PM
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terryjohn
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Many men down through the ages have been attracted to religion for many reasons and some have grown up in it and seen no need to be otherwise. Unfortunately, their lack of faith chokes the faith of many and for this they will have to aswer for. Christ Himself found this in His time as well but fortunately He spoke and preached of a living dynamic faith and a kingdom that could not be inherited or entered like men inherit or enter land for the Kingdom as it has been said, has since the time of John the baptist been forcfully advancing and forcful men have been laying hold of it.
Christianity has much to commend it and there is great advantage in being associated with it and its adherrants but the true followers of Christ, people have always been reluctant to follow or join. Fortunately leadership is not determined by qualifications or age but by love, faith and the power of God. These men have declared their their lack of faith they are then men who have fallen in battle or men who have never had the heart for it. In either case the kingdom looks to you to take up the fallen swords of faith.
Faith is all important and whether we like it or not Christ did not promise peace here on earth
Matt 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- 36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' 37 "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Do not however seek to take over such a church or cause strife for the sake of strife simply be Christ and there will be trouble. This is unfortunate but then again as Paul said there must be to show that at least some are saved.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 4:02:00 PM
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earthless
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I'll "go through the motions" just in case hell is real
Too bad for him that "going through the motions" does not save anyone. By his own admission, he is dead in his sin.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 4:38:14 PM
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kmbmhands
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Two questions: Do you and your wife attend this church? Does she know about what her father said?
NO! We moved away from them and their church. But I haven't told her yet because I'm afraid she would confront him and he would deny it. Unfortunately it was only me and him in a car at the time.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/1/2008 4:47:00 PM
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kmbmhands
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I feel like its a Cult of Prosperity (They are Evangelical Free Church). No one wants to talk about the hard lines drawn in the bible. The pastor just tells stories and then throws in a irrelevant verse at the end. There are 7 elders and there are only 7 Dr. / PHds and they are the elders. It seems like the pastor is keeping the big tithers close.
Well, the bible tells us how to deal with members who are backsliding, etc. If the pastor is ignoring the issue, then he is going against what God tells us to do. Best to find a church that will walk the path God gave us. Sorry to hear about this. 
The pastor ignores a lot of things. His daughters went to Cancun on a "missions trip" after a month after coming back one daughter missed her period so she made up a story about being raped but a week later when her period came she admitted her boyfriend met her there and they were having sex. Also the boyfriend is a youth leader at church in a different state, they met in college.
His explanation... The "enemy" made her do it.
Honestly, I don't care that she messed up and I hold no hate towards the daughter but the father/pastor is such a hypocrite, that's what infuriates me.
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RE: Discovered my wifes "christian father" is... - 8/3/2008 2:54:23 AM
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Fortydays
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ORIGINAL: ChelaW
Two questions: Do you and your wife attend this church? Does she know about what her father said?
NO! We moved away from them and their church. But I haven't told her yet because I'm afraid she would confront him and he would deny it. Unfortunately it was only me and him in a car at the time.
You haven't told her yet because she may confront him and he may deny??
So your wife might think you lied.....??
Well Im sorry to here that you and your wife cannot trust one another enough to talk about this without her possibly believing you. I hate to here that both of you are Christians and can't tell each other things due to not enough trust. Well this isn't the subject so I will move on.
I think you should work on her father. You should pray and find some way to bring this subject up again at a later date when your prepared. You have a man confessing a lie to you and I feel you should take this on and try to save him. Its obvious that the preacher is not teaching about Jesus and the deep things that need to be taught. This also tells me that maybe his soul is crying out and you were the one he cried out to. I think you as a Christian should at least get prepared and get some one on one time with him and bring this subject up again and go to work in the best way possible.
I also think you should tell all to your wife and have her not say anything to him and you both get a simple plan together to tell him the truth. In a way that she can help you....she knows him more than you and will know what can help. You both need to pray for him first. Im sorry to hear that she may not trust you in this and I will pray for both of you and the father.
Its not as simple as I wrote, but that is the deal. You at least need to give it a shot and have a talk with him and try. Maybe you can get some suggestions here on how to minister to someone like this.
Its not your job to save him, but Its your duty as a Christian to at least try since he came to you with all this. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Sorry if I sound harsh about the trust with the wife issue, but if She doesn't believe you, I think thats not good. I will seriously pray for this situation.
Good luck and let us know what happens....
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