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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 10:11:43 PM
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Szaftoo
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Sin is sin in the eyes of the Lord, however, I believe the consequences are not always the same.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 10:35:32 PM
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So--do you think there are greater and lesser sins in God's eyes?
Can you be successful at resisting the ones listed in the 10 commandments
and yet have other sins you wrestle with and still be considered mostly successful
at being mostly sinless? 
All sin or any sin would keep a person out of heaven.
The 'greatness' of the sin I think we determine by our standards of it's "results" or it's outflow and effect on others.
Like school shootings or violent crimes may seem great sins to us, but are we as concerned about telling a lie?
It was a lie which caused Adam and Eve to sin, and when we lie, we take after the father of lies, the devil. SO, which "sin" is greater in the eyes of God do you think?
The way I see it is that since sin has been in our old nature all the way back to Adam, then in each of us is the very same potential, to commit ANY sin we read about in the news, or have sinned against us.
Any judgment we might make against any of another person's sin is therefore hypocritical, for we ourselves are made of the same sinful flesh.
The Spirit living in us gives us an opportunity to "walk on water" above sin, in as much as that "self control" is listed in Galations as a fruit of His Spirit.
But even IF someone were to be able to live such a life, 100% of the time, they would not be without sin because they still have 'flesh', and carry the sinful nature of it around with them everyday.
The flesh wars against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh, and so we live, looking unto Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith.
Hope that helps, Bob~
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 11:25:43 PM
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In God's eyes, a sin is a sin is a sin. No sin takes on greater weight than another.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 11:29:45 PM
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Janice, as you have undoubtedly read on other threads, there is a sincere difference of opinion regarding the correct definition of "sin" as used in the Bible. What description would you prefer we use to discuss your OP question?
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 11:46:47 PM
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You can be an expert at being sinless and go to hell. You can walk like Jesus, talk like Jesus, and look like Jesus and still go to hell.
Bottom line! It's not how successful you are dealing with sin it is how successful you are in giving your soul to Christ.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/17/2008 11:59:28 PM
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drmark
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You can be an expert at being sinless and go to hell. There will be no sinless (by any definition) people in Hell!
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 12:56:34 AM
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1 Cor 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
It seems that there is a different appeal towards sexual sins. . .
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 1:03:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
1 Cor 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
It seems that there is a different appeal towards sexual sins. . .
Context, context, context. Paul is clearly referring to the issues, i.e. STDs, that can come from sin of a sexual nature. This, like all other sin, can cause decay in the body.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
There is no degree of sin that doesn't deserve death, but God in His grace sent Jesus for all sin.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 1:11:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
1 Cor 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
It seems that there is a different appeal towards sexual sins. . .
Context, context, context. Paul is clearly referring to the issues, i.e. STDs, that can come from sin of a sexual nature. This, like all other sin, can cause decay in the body.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
There is no degree of sin that doesn't deserve death, but God in His grace sent Jesus for all sin.
I agree that all sins end in eternal death. That is their result.
But, does God get more angry over someone who rapes and kills a child than someone who steals a quarter?
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 8:24:55 AM
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In God's eyes, a sin is a sin is a sin. No sin takes on greater weight than another. I have heard that before. So explain Jesus' words to Pilate:
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered him, "You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin."
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 9:11:53 AM
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So--do you think there are greater and lesser sins in God's eyes?
Can you be successful at resisting the ones listed in the 10 commandments
and yet have other sins you wrestle with and still be considered mostly successful
at being mostly sinless?
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.
That's the Apostle Paul's testimony. That's my testimony. No sin is equal to my own.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 10:45:45 AM
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Janice, as you have undoubtedly read on other threads, there is a sincere difference of opinion regarding the correct definition of "sin" as used in the Bible. What description would you prefer we use to discuss your OP question?
No, Mark--I haven't seen the discussion specific to my question elsewhere! I tend to hang out in only a few
forum areas. So where do I find these discussions you think I've seen? Perhaps it has been discussed
in a thread I may have been but have not read through completely. Wanna direct me more specifically?
Can we get specific as some have--I'm talking specifics with verse references. I think it is a
worthwhile exercise to remind ourselves that we are not completely above sin, and that we are
discounting some sins as less condemning than others, remembering that He who is guilty of one
is guilty of all!
Just so you know where I come from--in Christ, we are forgiven of all sin, but to get to the place
where we sin less----how extensive is sin, that we can ever think we have arrived to a state of
complete sinlessness, in light of the above verse of being guilty of all if guilty of just one, at any
time?
I am willing to consider that if one is approaching death, that the focus narrows to the coming
Eternity that would cause them to be more 'heavenly-minded' and not much interested in the things
of earth or flesh, and that the contemplation is more of the imminent future, as God prepares
us for our escape from our flesh, being translated by a new body , clothed in righteousness,
suitable to a sinless Eternity!
I think it will be impossible to nail the finite list of sin because we just don't 'get it' about how sinful
we really are! I think, some are able to dismiss some sins as insignificant against the lists we do
have of what some see as 'greater sins'! Since the requirement of a person being righteous (apart
from the declared state by Christ) is perfection, never having sinned in any way--just how far
would one have to go to be considered 'sinless'? And, if having never been in a state of sinlessness,
having been born in sin, how can we EVER be considered sinless apart from a judicial declaration
of 'acquittal' of our crimes? That 'acquittal' does not say we are 'guiltless' but the sentence is passed
on to Christ or the required punishment annulled, by the only One who can do that!
How long do we entertain, a thought, before it becomes sin? How do we measure that?
A monumental task I think! One, we don't dare come to our own conclusion about if we
are depending on our sinlessness to be the measure of our salvation-worthiness.
There will be no sinless person in hell, because they are condemned for having rejected the
offer of Jesus Christ as the mediator of the better covenant that declares righteousness, a
legal contract based on the mercy of God through His mediator having stood in the place of
sinners to pay their debt. Debt CANCELLED!
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 11:05:45 AM
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bigboytenor
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
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ORIGINAL: Focusing
In God's eyes, a sin is a sin is a sin. No sin takes on greater weight than another. I have heard that before. So explain Jesus' words to Pilate:
Joh 19:11 Jesus answered him, "You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin."
Jesus was referring to "he who delivered me over to you" meaning either Caiaphas the high priest or possibly Judas. Either way, the "greater sin" was that of having seen evidence to the fact that Jesus was the Messiah and denying that truth and turning Jesus over to Pilate. Pilate had no real knowledge or evidence that Jesus was the Messiah. The other one, who turned Jesus over to Pilate, had at least some head knowledge.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 11:46:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: jfaye
So--do you think there are greater and lesser sins in God's eyes?
Can you be successful at resisting the ones listed in the 10 commandments
and yet have other sins you wrestle with and still be considered mostly successful
at being mostly sinless?
Since all non repentant sins take you to hell, I would say yes.
However the gravity of sins such as murder, rape, child abuse and being a false prophet can not be ignored. The consequences and impact of them is a lot harsher than lying about your age.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 11:52:03 AM
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This may not really have anything to do with the OP but it's what I was thinking in reading the posts....
I am a sinner because of who I am far more than because of what I do. To concentrate on becoming 'sinless' is to put focus where it ought not be. Jesus took me, an inherent sinner, and paid for who I am as well as what I do. That's pretty humbling and shows me that there's nothing to be gained from considering myself at all except in the light of: who I am is every bit as sinful as the next guy no matter what either of us has actually done.
So, while some sins are more harmful to those around us than others and, I think I'm right in saying this, different sins carried different penalties in the OT, all of us, because of who we are, are in the same boat.
Only Christ makes a difference.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 12:11:26 PM
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Just so you know where I come from--in Christ, we are forgiven of all sin, but to get to the place
where we sin less----how extensive is sin, that we can ever think we have arrived to a state of
complete sinlessness, in light of the above verse of being guilty of all if guilty of just one, at any
time? Well, this part of your post relates directly to my question about defining sin. I agree that completely perfect sinlessness is not possible in this lifetime. We will all struggle with our human natures as they were left imperfect, frail, and physically/mentally/emotionally weakened from the Fall. But, when sin is defined ("properly" according to Wesleyan tradition) as the willful disobedience to a known law of God, then it is not only possible, but expected, that we live our Christian walk in sinless perfection with the God-given ability to stop sinning.
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So--do you think there are greater and lesser sins in God's eyes? I'm a little surprised that no one has yet pointed out the major distinction described in 1 John 5:16-18 between a sin that does not lead to death and a sin that does lead to death. Anyone care to tackle this controversial passage?
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 12:25:17 PM
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All sin is the same in that the result is the same w/o being in Christ.
However I don't think that a mass murderer is viewed by God the same way a person who stole a candy bar is.
I also highly disagree with the above statement, "Since all non repentant sins take you to hell, I would say yes."
If it is the case that all non repentant sins take you to hell then I believe every Christian is going to hell because I sure don't remember every sin I did yesterday or whether or not I repented of it. I certain that some Christians on here can say the same. One would have to be able to keep track of every sin ever done. A general, "Lord I repent of every sin I did yesterday." seems disingenuous. To truly repent I believe one has to have knowledge that they have sinned in some specific way and is genuinely moving towards hating that sin the way God does.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 12:38:43 PM
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In our eye's not all sins are equal because we judge. Even though we're not supposed to. But, in God's eye's a sin is a sin. He has the final say. That's why I'm so thankful for Lord Jesus.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 12:43:28 PM
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I am a sinner because of who I am far more than because of what I do. To concentrate on becoming 'sinless' is to put focus where it ought not be. Jesus took me, an inherent sinner, and paid for who I am as well as what I do. That's pretty humbling and shows me that there's nothing to be gained from considering myself at all except in the light of: who I am is every bit as sinful as the next guy no matter what either of us has actually done.
So, while some sins are more harmful to those around us than others and, I think I'm right in saying this, different sins carried different penalties in the OT, all of us, because of who we are, are in the same boat.
Only Christ makes a difference.
AMEN!
And I think of what Jesus said to Peter as he contemplated the 'other'
in John 21. Jesus said, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?"
I take this as a huge reminder to not get into the struggle over what sin is greater. Any sin is an offense to our holy God. That is all I need to know.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 1:25:25 PM
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Often, we lump 'sinning'(disobedience to a standard casting aspersion on a valid claim; eternity's)and 'sin'(arrogance against sacrifice in unbelief; mortality's)in the same context. As others have noted while mortality's consequences vary eternity doesn't.
Admit-“[Jesus] proved He had a valid claim [to His Deity] but His own rejected His claim yet as many as receives His message; to them he claimed the right to become redeemed of God and appropriate His Name.“ John 1:11,12
Believe-“[you can be] freed from the arrogance that enslaves you [and] come into His obedience resulting in purification and Eternal Life. For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of is Eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 3:22,23
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 1:54:51 PM
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Well, it seems to this ole country boy that Scripture speaks to a difference in sins;
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven, other sins can.
(Mat 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Some sins lead to death others do not;
(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
So yes, all sins are not equal.
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RE: Do you think All Sins are Equal? - 2/18/2008 1:57:04 PM
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Well, it seems to this ole country boy that Scripture speaks to a difference in sins;
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven, other sins can.
(Mat 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Some sins lead to death others do not;
(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
So yes, all sins are not equal.
Thanks
RC
RC, I think for the first time on this forum, I agree with you. LOL. Seriously, though, blasphemy of the holy spirit is the most severe sin of all.
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