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Foie gras - 7/21/2008 9:22:10 PM
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raspberry331
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Foie gras (pronounced /fwɑːˈgrɑː/ in English; French for "fat liver") is "the liver of a duck or a goose that has been specially fattened by gavage" The technique of gavage dates as far back as 2500 BC, when the ancient Egyptians began keeping birds for food and deliberately fattened the birds through force-feeding.At just a few months old, ducks are confined inside dark sheds and force-fed enormous amounts of food several times a day. A farm worker grabs each duck and, one by one, thrusts a metal pipe down their throats so that a mixture of corn can be forced directly into their gullets. In just a matter of weeks, the ducks become grossly overweight and their livers expand up to 10 times their normal size. If you ask me,I think this is animal cruelty. What do you all think? I heard about this on a radio program the other day. Have you heard about this?
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RE: Foie gras - 7/21/2008 11:00:30 PM
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I missed that report. This special effort to fatten the duck or goose is?...
So the entire bird is larger for sale for food? Or is it just the bird's liver that is sought out after this?
I might could read all about it on Wikipedia, but not tonight. Please explain why the process and all the additional fuss- right now it sounds like cruelty all by itself, but certainly this bloating of the birds has some reasoning behind it.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 10:00:42 AM
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I agree, but I regularly hear that if we knew what was done to animals at slaughter houses that we would instantly become vegetarians as well!
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 10:30:30 AM
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Disgusting and it is wrong.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 10:44:03 AM
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So the entire bird is larger for sale for food? Or is it just the bird's liver that is sought out after this? It is only the liver that is used.
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I agree, but I regularly hear that if we knew what was done to animals at slaughter houses that we would instantly become vegetarians as well! I've heard the same said if we had to kill animals ourselves.
I wouldn't touch foie gras with a barge pole, although it's said that there are more ethical ways of producing it now.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 12:26:31 PM
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I'm not eating anything that someone else has been detoxifying their system with.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 12:41:27 PM
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I'm not eating anything that someone else has been detoxifying their system with.
Even with some fava beans and a nice chianti?
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 12:46:05 PM
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That sounds very cruel to me.
But I can't understand why anyone would want to eat the liver of anything in the first place. That's a detoxification organ and I'm going to eat it?? Noooooo way!
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 3:32:40 PM
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That's nothing... If you knew the true nature of the toxins that our beloved country puts into our digestive systems on a daily basis in the name of food preservation alone you'd run away screaming into the night...
I kill and butcher my own meat, we grow our vegitables, and we buy fresh squeezed milk and make our own butter.
We used to get upset stomachs alot when we'd eat most stuff derived from dairy products - ice cream, butter, cheese... Since we're not ingesting all those bacteria they put in our milk now, we don't get sick. AND, our fresh squeezed milk lasts 3 times longer in the fridge!
The real animal curelty is what our beloved FDA allows into our digestive systems...
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 3:53:57 PM
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People eat that stuff? And go to that much trouble to get it so they can eat it? Hmm. *shrug*
I grew up slaughtering my own meat so it doesn't really bother me. Unless you want me to pluck chickens. Mostly because plucking chickens is really, really annoying. But, you know, you do what you must.
I also grew up driving combine to harvest wheat, and, well, considering how many of you are squeamish about slaughterhouses I'd better not say much about what all ends up in the bin with the wheat (random bugs, tons of chopped grasshoppers, the occassional rodent (dead, or at least dead after the 35 ft cutting blade hit it)...).
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 4:08:16 PM
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Hold the chickens upside down in boiling water for a minute. The feathers come out easy then!
Yeah, we did, but it's still annoying... instead of a dry, warm, hard-to-pluck chicken, you now have a hot, wet, smelly, easy-to-pluck chicken and nasty wet feathers glued to every exposed surface of your clothing or skin. Ech.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/22/2008 4:24:36 PM
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Hold the chickens upside down in boiling water for a minute. The feathers come out easy then!
Yeah, we did, but it's still annoying... instead of a dry, warm, hard-to-pluck chicken, you now have a hot, wet, smelly, easy-to-pluck chicken and nasty wet feathers glued to every exposed surface of your clothing or skin. Ech.
ROFL! Yep. It's been a while since I had to deal. 
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RE: Foie gras - 7/23/2008 8:13:25 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: WesP
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ORIGINAL: Zhi
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Hold the chickens upside down in boiling water for a minute. The feathers come out easy then!
Yeah, we did, but it's still annoying... instead of a dry, warm, hard-to-pluck chicken, you now have a hot, wet, smelly, easy-to-pluck chicken and nasty wet feathers glued to every exposed surface of your clothing or skin. Ech.
ROFL! Yep. It's been a while since I had to deal.
Hmmmm, maybe it's time that somebody breed a naked chicken? That would make things SO much easier! But while they're at it, let's breed some naked turkeys too. I don't know which is worse though, plucking chickens or shaving hogs... Nothing like the smell of burnt hair in the morning!
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RE: Foie gras - 7/23/2008 10:13:21 PM
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We have poultryand I have never had to force-feed any of them to get them fattened up. If you put the food out there, they will eat it no matter how full their craw is.
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RE: Foie gras - 7/24/2008 5:59:50 PM
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This isn't about fattening a whole bird up, it's about fattening the liver up considerably larger than usual and in a short space of time.
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The next feeding phase, which the French call gavage or finition d'engraissement, or "completion of fattening", involves forced daily ingestion of controlled amounts of feed for 12 to 15 days with ducks and for 15 to 18 days with geese. During this phase ducks are usually fed twice daily while geese are fed up to 4 times daily.
In modern production, the bird is typically fed a controlled amount of feed, depending on the stage of the fattening process, its weight, and the amount of feed it last ingested. At the start of production, a bird might be fed a dry weight of 250 grams (9 oz) of food per day, and up to 1,000 grams (35 oz) (in dry weight) by the end of the process. The actual amount of food force-fed is much greater, since the birds are fed a mash whose composition is about 53% dry and 47% liquid (by weight).
The feed is administered using a funnel fitted with a long tube (20–30 cm long), which forces the feed into the animal's esophagus; if an auger is used, the feeding takes about 45 to 60 seconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras#Production_methods
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