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Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 4:59:23 AM
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mvic
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Are there any circumstances which would prevent YOU (a believer) from going to Heaven?
If, like me, you are a sinner; is your place in Heaven still guaranteed?
(I'll probably have more questions later - but I'm waiting to read your replies on the above first. Thanx).
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 8:00:17 AM
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IF, you are saved you will have an eternal life with God.
IF, you are sinless, you didn't need Christ's attonement sacrifice.
WE, all need Christ's atoning sacrifice
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 8:19:34 AM
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Are you a born-again believer?
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 9:09:32 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: mvic
If, like me, you are a sinner; is your place in Heaven still guaranteed?
When ask what men need to do; Peter in the first sermon ever preached in the Chruch age said;
(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Repentance is a necessity for salvation.
John said it one continues in sin then they are not a child of God;
(1Jn 3:8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So the really important question is; is one really saved, for if they are then sin will quickly become a part of history in their lives.
Many folks consider themselves to be saved when they are not as Jesus speaks to here;
(Mat 7:20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
From Jesus' own mouth it says that if one "Works iniquity" (continues or walks in sin) there is no entry into Heaven. Even if the person is fully persuaded that they are saved and Heaven bound.
Paul admonsihes us who consider ourselves Christians to;
(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
And one good point of examination is if we are living our lives as Paul admonished us to in;
(Rom 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service.
(Rom 12:2) And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God.
Thanks
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 9:55:42 AM
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mvic
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WOW ... I am lucky !
The three people who number amongst those I respect most in this Forum have all taken the trouble to reply at the same time: Soninme, Earthless and RCJames. Thank you the three of you for replying so quick and for the quotations from the Bible. Much appreciated.
Let me try to explain a bit what's on my mind, and with your patience, perhaps you'll put me right.
Let's say someone is saved and born again. Someone who loves the Lord and lives his life as best he can in a Christ-like manner. However, being human, this person sins.
You know what I mean ... just like me ... perhaps you're a bit lazy; perhaps you loose your temper now and then and quickly regret it; perhaps sometimes you're troubled with doubts and needless anxiety instead of relying on the strength of your Faith ... etc ... I'm sure you can think of more sins.
Hence my question: will this individual still go to Heaven even though he sins? Are there any circumstances that would prevent him going to Heaven? Say, sudden crisis of Faith brought upon by traumatic circumstances or serious illness?
Or is it a question of once saved and born-again your place in Heaven is guaranteed?
Sorry about the too many questions; but if anyone can answer them you three can. Thanx.
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 10:47:47 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
IF, you are saved you will have an eternal life with God.
IF, you are sinless, you didn't need Christ's attonement sacrifice.
WE, all need Christ's atoning sacrifice
Well Said!
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 12:23:51 PM
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RC, I agree with most of your post. But your reference to 1 John 3:9 is out of context. This, in context, is explained by its previous text, vv. 6-7, 9. Jesus is the only true Son of God and is the only person without sin. Whoever commits sin (everyone) is of the devil (1 John 3:8) , unless they were transformed from darkness into light, adopted as a son of God, and grafted into the vine. If we could be without sin in the context that you're using 1 John 3:9, Jesus need not have suffered the horrific cross. If one is born again they will not become sinless, as Paul wrote in numerous passages, but the presence of the Holy Spirit in believers convicts of sin, and the mercy and grace of God brings repentance. In v. 6 it says that whoever abides in the Father (v.1), which is Jesus [John 14:10-11], doesn't sin. As believers who have grafted into the vine by the Father (John 15), John commands us in 1 John 1:5 - 2:3 to walk in the light, to repent and confess our sins, and when we do stumble (which we all do), that we have an Advocate with the Father, which Jesus. If we walk in the light, the darkness of sin is exposed, and when it is exposed, we who have the hope of the coming of Christ purify ourselves (which comes through righteousness only He can provide).
I'm not attacking your post, just clarifying the context of the one Scripture you used. Have a nice day.
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RE: Going to Heaven? - 6/25/2008 3:40:48 PM
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Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Hence, sins are not determined by actions, for even good works without faith are sins, but by a lack of faith in Christ. Now what is faith? Well it is said that, without faith it is impossible to please Him. Considering that the righteous shall be saved by faith and faith alone, we get some idea of the necessity of faith as opposed to sight. For blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. You could say we have all been given a measure of faith and we are accountable for the measure given us. But to whom much is given much is required. Hence, satans fall. Paul refers to our seeing as if through a dim looking glass and stresses that we are not yet what we shall become when we see as we are seen.
Now as I see it, if we are but faithful while having not seen as we are seen, how much more faithful will we be once we do? The problem with being sinless in our own strength causes some problems when it comes to grace and forgiveness. For to whom much is forgiven, loveth much.
Now this being born gain is not related to the effort of men but refers to the transforming of the mind to conform to that of Christ. Once this has happened we do not follow laws written on stone but the very desires of our hearts. If it then can be said that we are not saved by our good works then grace if it is to be seen to be grace means we are not necessarily condemned for the lack of them. Nevertheless, we shall know ourselves our sate of being in Christ unless we are seriously deluded by religious dogma. In the end, our assurance is not in being confident that we have escaped the jaws of hell but rather in that we love Christ. For perfect love drives out all fear.
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