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Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/5/2008 9:01:32 PM
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TomTurn
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No More “Sanctuary City” Protection For Gangs
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/5/2008 10:25:41 PM
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Well, Barry is against the death penalty for those who killed this man.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 9:17:59 AM
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TomTurn
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Jamiel's father is reporting on KFI out of L.A. that he is being pressured by the Mayor, DA office and others to back off with Jamiel's law or they will paint his son as a gang member who had it coming to him
Jamiel's Law may move to ballot
Mayoral candidate Walter Moore said Thursday he has begun a drive to put "Jamiel's Law" on the March 2009 Los Angeles city ballot — the same one in which he is trying to unseat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
If adopted, the law would permit Los Angeles police officers to arrest gang members for breaking U.S. immigration law. It would supersede Special Order 40, a 29-year-old LAPD policy that bars officers from arresting or questioning people solely on suspicion of being in the country illegally. Moore told a crowd of about 200 people — gathered at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre to hear about his proposal — that he decided on an initiative after hearing no response from City Council members to his request for an ordinance.
Jamiel's Law is named for Jamiel Shaw II, 17, who was shot to death by suspected gang members on March 2 close to his Arlington Heights home. Police arrested Pedro Espinoza, 19, who reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at age 4. Police say Espinoza is a member of the 18th Street Gang. He was released from jail, where he was being held on a weapons charge, a day before the killing.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 9:24:17 AM
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I would be for it. What a waste, of a wonderful young man. For what? I pray for his family, the photos were heartbreaking.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 2:30:38 PM
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Was listening to John & Ken this morning over the radio and John made a pondering that makes a lot of sense. He was wondering why is it the mayor, DA, police chief and others seem to side so much with the gang members? And was coming to the conclusion they are being bought off by the drug cartel just as in countries south of our border.
Think that makes a lot of sense, especially in the light of how we see them reacting to the death of Jamiel Shaw and am hoping J & K will continue to follow up on it.
John and Ken can be heard on demans at KFI podcasting
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 4:37:37 PM
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Jamiel's father is reporting on KFI out of L.A. that he is being pressured by the Mayor, DA office and others to back off with Jamiel's law or they will paint his son as a gang member who had it coming to him
Jamiel's Law may move to ballot
Mayoral candidate Walter Moore said Thursday he has begun a drive to put "Jamiel's Law" on the March 2009 Los Angeles city ballot — the same one in which he is trying to unseat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
If adopted, the law would permit Los Angeles police officers to arrest gang members for breaking U.S. immigration law. It would supersede Special Order 40, a 29-year-old LAPD policy that bars officers from arresting or questioning people solely on suspicion of being in the country illegally. Moore told a crowd of about 200 people — gathered at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre to hear about his proposal — that he decided on an initiative after hearing no response from City Council members to his request for an ordinance.
Jamiel's Law is named for Jamiel Shaw II, 17, who was shot to death by suspected gang members on March 2 close to his Arlington Heights home. Police arrested Pedro Espinoza, 19, who reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at age 4. Police say Espinoza is a member of the 18th Street Gang. He was released from jail, where he was being held on a weapons charge, a day before the killing.
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This is sickening on so many levels. This is LIBERAL LEADERSHIP in action ladies and gentlemen. LA is run by a gang of liberals who...it is painfully obvious, are nothing more than thugs and racists...all the while parading around under the guise of "Human Rights Activists". Take a good long look at this. I can honestly say this is the final straw. I have no confidence in the leadership of this city. They are utterly corrupt and evil. Period.
Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation? Here's the glorious result of unchallenged Liberal doctrine: Rampant Illegal immigration, rampant city debt, rampant spending...400 million a year for benefits for Illegal immigrants by the way....while facing a debt and laying off city workers. 80,000 known gang members ruling the streets, taxes, taxes and more taxes. Some of that money in gang prevention programs going into the hands of gang members who are laughing all the way to the bank while killing people. And a landscape that is looking more and more like a third world country. Condemnation of those who disagree with open border policies. And of course, an embrace for Islam to spread unchecked throughout schools and government.
Yes, the shining glory of Liberal policy can be seen in LA. God forgive us and help us, we are in big, big trouble.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 5:19:54 PM
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Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation?
Yet we have an administration or more precisely a President who goes on record extolling the values of "illegal" immigrants and has denigrated the contributions of native workers of this country.
This law is stupid and sadly with Bush and then McCain we have two back to back Republicans who are pro illegals. We might as well get over it that this is never going to improve.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 6:36:27 PM
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Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation?
Yet we have an administration or more precisely a President who goes on record extolling the values of "illegal" immigrants and has denigrated the contributions of native workers of this country.
This law is stupid and sadly with Bush and then McCain we have two back to back Republicans who are pro illegals. We might as well get over it that this is never going to improve.
Well, when it comes to illegal immigration, Bush is a liberal himself. He's also the one pushing for the Mexico super highway to start plowing through our country. He refuses to close the border, so he's a disaster when it comes to the problem of illegal immigration. I don't even consider him a conservative in this area at all.
But this law needs to be passed. Cops should be able to, at the very least, ASK about someone's immigration status when they're a known gang member or criminal.
The worst part is our wonderful liberal politicians have more sympathy for the gang-banger who shot this poor, innocent kid than they do the real victims -- Jamiel's family...and by the way, his mother is serving her second tour in IRAQ! So here's a woman making the ultimate sacrifice for this country and all our city council can do is slap her in the face when her kid is murdered in cold blood. All they can do is lecture us about "human rights" for all while the Mayor tells the feds to back off the immigration raids. This is pure evil.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/6/2008 8:37:05 PM
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Special order 40 has allowed gangs to flourish in the Los Angeles area.
What does Jamiel Shaw's life matter, or any other innocent who has died becasue of it or will?
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/7/2008 7:34:49 PM
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TomTurn
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The DA Steve Cooley has removed the prosecutor who supposedly hinted that she will have to paint Jamiel as a gang banger if the pressure on Special Order 40 is not removed
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/13/2008 11:04:40 PM
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The community solidarity that followed the killing of high school football star Jamiel Shaw Jr. did not last.
A prosecutor has been pulled from the case after clashing with Shaw's parents, who are demanding hate-crime charges against the suspect, believed to belong to a violent Hispanic gang. And the family is fighting suggestions that an affinity for a rival gang was what led to Shaw's slaying March 2.
At the heart of the friction is the polarizing issue of race in a city known for its diversity of cultures. Shaw, 17, was black; prosecutors say the man charged with killing him, Pedro Espinoza, is in the country illegally.
Shaw's family is fighting for passage of "Jamiel's Law," which would overturn a long-standing rule preventing Los Angeles police from inquiring about suspects' immigration status. It has not been welcomed in all corners; opponents say it could deter illegal immigrants from reporting crimes.
The rift between the Shaws and the district attorney's office was exposed last week when Jamiel Shaw Sr., 47, and his ex-wife Anita Shaw, 43, met with District Attorney Steve Cooley to complain about Michele Hanisee, the prosecutor on the case.
Jamiel Shaw said Hanisee pressured him to stop pushing for the law and threatened to depict their son as a gang member unless they dropped demands that she prosecute the case as a hate crime.
LA prosecutor taken off case of slain football star
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/14/2008 10:02:38 AM
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It angers me to hear that the prosecutor wanted to paint him as a gang member.
The same thing happened to my nephew after he was murdered, and happens to a lot of young men murdered in his neighbourhood. The media and police try to make them out to be gang members (which my nephew wasn't) as if it makes it better or something. Maybe that's why my nephews killer only got 6 years.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/14/2008 10:48:21 PM
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TomTurn
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Listened to KFI over the computer today and from the interview with Jamiel's father you can see the pressure is increasing for him to back off Jamiels Law because it will go after illegal alien gang members. The "pro illegal alien crowd" will sacrifice any citizen to get their criminal acts through.
What came out of the interview I listened to today is the possibility that the pro illegal crowd has made false websites attributed to Jamiel to paint him as a gang member.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/14/2008 11:10:30 PM
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Immigration, Gang Violence and a Crusade
Jamiel Shaw Sr. never gave much thought to the immigration status of gang members in his South Los Angeles neighborhood. With his military wife deployed to Iraq and two sons to raise, there were football practices to manage, shoes to buy, college applications to consider.
But in the two months since his older son, Jamiel Jr., was gunned down by a man the police say is a gang member who was here illegally from Mexico, Mr. Shaw has been able to think of little else.
“I don’t care about illegal people who are working here and taking care of themselves,” Mr. Shaw said. “I just feel I am obligated to target illegal aliens in gangs.”
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 8:04:05 AM
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From the article
“What we largely see are people living together, going to school together, intermarrying and living together just fine,” said Deputy Chief Sergio Diaz, who oversees police operations in many gang-infested Los Angeles neighborhoods. “Why would we let gang members define race relations in this city?”
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Did we let the Klan help define race relations? How many more innocents must die before this protection of gang members is removed?
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 12:45:01 PM
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So many are upset that Barry Obama is pointed out to look like a cartoon character and scream racism. Yet nothing for this. Just continues to prove my point that their outrage is selective.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 4:45:18 PM
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Whatever happened to common sense?
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 4:46:56 PM
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So many are upset that Barry Obama is pointed out to look like a cartoon character and scream racism. Yet nothing for this. Just continues to prove my point that their outrage is selective.
There is less danger involved getting in the t-shirt issue than there is facing real violence.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 8:13:13 PM
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TomTurn
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There is less danger involved getting in the t-shirt issue than there is facing real violence.
Barely a one will come here and get educated on true racism. Especially since it is running against one of the favorite areas of modern liberalism.
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RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? - 5/16/2008 11:46:01 PM
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Barely a one will come here and get educated on true racism. Especially since it is running against one of the favorite areas of modern liberalism.
I'm afraid I don't see the connection to racism here. Illegal immigration, yes. But why racism?
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