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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is force." - George Washington

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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is force." - George Washington

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Ignorance on parade.

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Myth 1: It doesn't matter who is president: According to liberal athiest Nat Hentoff, the Hyde (R) amendment has saved over one million lives alone. Democrats who love legalized butchering of the unborn can't wait to repeal it and have a President cooperate.

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According to Brownback’s office, the bill would provide for:

* The expansion and further development of a national clearinghouse of information for parents of children with disabilities to assist parents with either a prenatal or postnatal diagnosis;
* The expansion and further development of national and local peer-support programs for families of children with disabilities; and
* The creation of a national registry of families willing to adopt children with disabilities.

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"I could have had the test, but I didn't want it because I knew that it wouldn't have mattered," Sawyer said. "I would have had this baby anyway. What she has given us in our lives is a new perspective."

But Sawyer's view is not typical of most parents who receive a diagnosis of Down syndrome. Doctors estimate that 80 to 90 percent of women who learn they are carrying a fetus with the genetic disorder decide not to have the child.

That could change if Congress passes a bill that is an unusual collaboration between Sens. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., lawmakers with diametrically opposite views on abortion.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

...sadly there is little reason to think such a bill will change the attitudes of women who all too often think of abortion as a convenience.

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So what type of bill or legislation would change their attitudes, if that's the goal? And how would a McCain presidency facilitate getting such legislation passed?

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Well, again, while I think the effort is wonderful, there is no reason to believe McCain would oppose such a measure, and considering millions of perfectly healthy babies are aborted every year despite the incredible demand from families willing to adopt, sadly there is little reason to think such a bill will change the attitudes of women who all too often think of abortion as a convenience.

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ORIGINAL: saved9201

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Ignorance on parade.

You're hilarious.

We are so beneath you and unworthy of your presence. I wonder why you even bother to put up with us ignorant imbeciles?

-Julius

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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Myth 1: It doesn't matter who is president: According to liberal athiest Nat Hentoff, the Hyde (R) amendment has saved over one million lives alone. Democrats who love legalized butchering of the unborn can't wait to repeal it and have a President cooperate.

So what convinces you that McCain will be able to sign some bit of pro-life legislation that really hasn't been done on the federal level since 1976? It wasn't McCain after all who co-sponsored the Brownback bill it was Kennedy. It is estimated that 13% of abortions in the US today are because of believed genetic problems with the baby and this bill would allow all of the pro-life christians in the country to adopt every single one of those babies which means it COULD POTENTIALLY be more effective by around 1000% then Dubyas partial birth abortion law which only impacts about 1.3%.

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Well another decade gone with a Republican appointed SCOTUS majority and another decade of Roe v. Wade not being challenged or overturned. Maybe if they added another 47 SCOTUS justices and Republicans could get 41 appointed then MAYBE we'd have a chance of getting this overturned? Nah, had 6 years of 2 branches of federal government controlled by Republicans who like to "talk the talk" but when it comes time to actually do something meaningful about this don't seem too interested in "walking the walk".

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ORIGINAL: rlj

The "Lacy and Conner Peterson" law wasn't an abortion bill it also only applies to crimes that can be prosecuted at a federal level. At the time this was passed there were already 34 states with such laws on the books that basically were the same thing as this. So the practical net effect is that some crimes committed in 16 states in which a child in-utero is killed can now be prosecuted.

The "Mexico City Policy" while a good thing doesn't challenge Roe v. Wade.

I'm not sure what you mean by "UN policies". I don't know how veto power on the security council translates to a halt to the UN population control methods unless they suggest using military weapons to control the earths population. As to how US money donated to the UN gets spent this is moot anyway. They'll take the money we won't let them spend on abortion put it somewhere else and take that money and spend it on abortion.

I agree with you on the Born Alive bill.

Well another decade gone with a Republican appointed SCOTUS majority and another decade of Roe v. Wade not being challenged or overturned. Maybe if they added another 47 SCOTUS justices and Republicans could get 41 appointed then MAYBE we'd have a chance of getting this overturned? Nah, had 6 years of 2 branches of federal government controlled by Republicans who like to "talk the talk" but when it comes time to actually do something meaningful about this don't seem too interested in "walking the walk".

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Nat Hentoff, an athiest and strong liberal, believes that Republicans have saved over a million babies by the Hyde Amendment alone. Their lives are "meaningful."

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While there is no guarantee a justice will faithfully rule the way one desires, the fact is Obama will never appoint a justice that will lessen Roe in anyway, and his administration will only reverse those small gains made for life under Bush.

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Which honestly causes me to doubt the competence or honesty of Republicans when it comes to Justices. A dem can depend on one of their own judges but in the spirit of Forrest Gump "Republican appointed SCOTUS justices are like a box of chocolates you never know just what you're going to get.

The one thing that I will praise Dubya for is his 2 justices are excellent.

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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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Nat Hentoff, an athiest and strong liberal, believes that Republicans have saved over a million babies by the Hyde Amendment alone. Their lives are "meaningful."

Which is why I said they haven't passed any meaningful legislation since except perhaps the partial birth ban.

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While there is no guarantee a justice will faithfully rule the way one desires, the fact is Obama will never appoint a justice that will lessen Roe in anyway, and his administration will only reverse those small gains made for life under Bush.

Which honestly causes me to doubt the competence or honesty of Republicans when it comes to Justices. A dem can depend on one of their own judges but in the spirit of Forrest Gump "Republican appointed SCOTUS justices are like a box of chocolates you never know just what you're going to get.

The one thing that I will praise Dubya for is his 2 justices are excellent.

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The one thing that I will praise Dubya for is his 2 justices are excellent.