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New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/29/2008 1:20:53 PM
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Quipper
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"New research challenges the notion that you can be fat and fit, finding that being active can lower but not eliminate heart risks faced by heavy women."
"Compared with normal-weight active women, the risk for developing heart disease was 54 percent higher in overweight active women and 87 percent higher in obese active women. By contrast, it was 88 percent higher in overweight inactive women; and 2 1/2 times greater in obese inactive women."
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/29/2008 1:43:59 PM
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seems obvious to me. till a few decades ago the only fat people were rich people with few exceptions. the heart has nowhere near adopted to high weights like that whether you exercize or not.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/29/2008 2:02:25 PM
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Shouldn't the comparison be between overweight active and normal weight inactive?
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/29/2008 2:41:43 PM
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Good question, no show.
It's become so popular to say that fat can be healthy that I imagine this won't be met with much rejoicing.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/29/2008 6:56:55 PM
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Good question, no show.
It's become so popular to say that fat can be healthy that I imagine this won't be met with much rejoicing.
I'll second that...
Someone who's overweight and active may be a whole lot fitter than someone who's not overweight and inactive.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 2:33:28 PM
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Given who funded this study, self-reporting being the basis of it, and the fact that they did not take smoking or age into account (both of which are heart disease indicators), I don't believe a word it has to say.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 5:24:28 PM
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I've never seen an obese octogenarian.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 5:34:41 PM
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I don't think the study is saying anything new. Just being overweight alone can cause your blood pressure levels to increase, and not only that, there is a HUGE diabetes risk, which also can contribute to heart problems. This should not be shocking anyone.
And also take into account how mcuh fast food there is on the market, and most people who are obese, especially, got that way from eating all the tempting junk food, and how that can contribute to health problems.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 8:00:36 PM
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most people who are obese, especially, got that way from eating all the tempting junk food, and how that can contribute to health problems. That is SO not true. It is a stereotype. If fast food made people fat, all people who ate fast food would be fat. Studies show fat people eat similarly to thin people. Also, obesity and diabetes have a corrolation, not a causation, and you would do well to look up the difference. Think of your famous diabetic people...mary tyler moore, for instance, is she fat? no? Then how on earth did she get diabetes?!
This study is baseless and was founded by people who invented a gastric balloon similar to a lap-band type of surgery. They want people to be scared so that they will buy their product.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 8:09:41 PM
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When it's your time it's your time
I've often wondered about this. Can we actually live longer by eating well and exercising? The bible says that mans days are 70, 80 if he has the strength. Is it more about the quality of life than anything?
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 10:52:50 PM
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When it's your time it's your time.
I had something witty to say but guess I've gotten so old I forgot it.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 4/30/2008 11:05:54 PM
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When it's your time it's your time
I've often wondered about this. Can we actually live longer by eating well and exercising? The bible says that mans days are 70, 80 if he has the strength. Is it more about the quality of life than anything?
There is a fine balance IMO between enjoying life and being so strict with diet and exercise that you live too long to enjoy those extra years. I've watched many elderly people who lived the last 10+ years of their lives totally mentally incapacitated with dementia and Alzheimer's.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 6:43:03 AM
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That is SO not true. It is a stereotype. If fast food made people fat, all people who ate fast food would be fat. Studies show fat people eat similarly to thin people. Also, obesity and diabetes have a corrolation, not a causation, and you would do well to look up the difference. Think of your famous diabetic people...mary tyler moore, for instance, is she fat? no? Then how on earth did she get diabetes?!
Well...
I occasionally eat fast food. I'm not fat. In fact, I can't eat too much fast food because it tends to make me feel sick afterwards, presumably because of the content.
People who just eat fast food are asking to be fat. People who eat the stuff occasionally (ie 1-2/month; why would you need to do it more often?) and otherwise eat a balanced diet and keep active probably won't be.
Sure, you get obese elderly people, but they tend to have quite a lot wrong with them.
And they can be a nightmare to treat when things do go wrong.
And you need to know what type of diabetes people get. One type is autoimmune and has nothing to do with lifestyle.
Another is linked to obesity. Not in every case, but the fatter you are, the more likely you are to get Type 2 diabetes. Also runs in families, so that's a risk. But don't kid yourself that an obese diabetic can get away with blaming their genes, their lifestyle is almost certainly at least as much to blame.
What's sad is that people will tie themselves in knots trying to avoid admitting any responsability for things like obesity. Far better to blame genes, environment, etc. Anything but themselves.
And until they face up to lifestyle choices, they won't lose weight. Might not even when they do, but they've got a better chance.
And then you see obese parents, and obese children, and genes are blamed. Nope, it's the fact that the parents have an unhealthy lifestyle, and share it with their kids, who learn the behaviour, and the cycle continues. Doesn't always happen, but often enough.
I have several friends with weight problems at church, and when you dig deep enough it's always lifestyle choices. Some do lose weight, not always permanently.
Fortunately for me, my mother always cooked fresh produce, avoided fast food as much as possible (never went into a McDonalds before the age of 13), and insisted on fruit, vegetables, home made lemonade etc right through my childhood. And got me into sports.
And now approaching 40 I still do sport 2-3 times a week, walk to work, and am trying to pass this onto my kids too.
It can be done.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 10:12:08 AM
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What's sad is that people will tie themselves in knots trying to avoid admitting any responsability for things like obesity. Far better to blame genes, environment, etc. Anything but themselves.
And until they face up to lifestyle choices, they won't lose weight. Might not even when they do, but they've got a better chance.
And then you see obese parents, and obese children, and genes are blamed. Nope, it's the fact that the parents have an unhealthy lifestyle, and share it with their kids, who learn the behaviour, and the cycle continues. Doesn't always happen, but often enough.
I have several friends with weight problems at church, and when you dig deep enough it's always lifestyle choices. Some do lose weight, not always permanently.
like, totally. im so tired of people blaming their genes. and of course then they get insulted. thats cause they know its not true
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 10:21:21 AM
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Studies show fat people eat similarly to thin people.
I'm sure there are some studies out there that show this, but the majority of the studies I've seen, show the exact opposite.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 1:58:14 PM
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I've never seen an obese octogenarian.
i'd like to introduce you to my grandparents.
i was waiting for this thread to start when i read the news a couple of days ago. i agree with jenny that the self reporting aspect of it is suspect.
to say that people who exercise and are fat are not any more fit than people who don't exercise and are fat is ....idiotic.
i think this study just came out in order to, once again, have a reason to show some kind of thin superiority to fat people.
anyway....i can't debate the lunacy in these fat hating threads. really i can't. i'm kinda done with it, and the overwhelming majority of christians hate fat people and think they are sinning just by being fat anyway, so you can't reason with them.
i just wanted to chime in and say please remember that a lot of people who post in these forums are fat and overweight, or whatever you want to call it. please have grace when dealing with this subject. if you are not fat, then rejoice and sing hallelujah, but for those of us who are, we KNOW we are fat. we don't need people preaching at us and telling us that we are sinning by being fat. it is not helpful.
as for this study...i don't believe a word of it. i am fat and fit. or rather, i am a fat person who works out 3-4 times a week, and who also teaches classes to other fat people. i also swim, dance, perform, and do a whole miriad of things that some thin people can't even do.....so please, don't say that just because i weigh more than someone else that i am not healthy. my doctors would beg to disagree.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 2:05:20 PM
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to say that people who exercise and are fat are not any more fit than people who don't exercise and are fat is ....idiotic.
I don't think it says that. I may be reading it wrong, but I took it to say that compared with a normal-weight active person, an overweight active had a 54 percent higher risk. But an overweight inactive person had a 88 percent higher risk. So by being active, an overweight person can lower their risk by 34 percent.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 2:05:24 PM
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^ That's what I understood too, NoShow.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 2:14:39 PM
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I don't think it says that. I may be reading it wrong, but I took it to say that compared with a normal-weight active person, an overweight active had a 54 percent higher risk. But an overweight inactive person had a 88 percent higher risk. So by being active, an overweight person can lower their risk by 34 percent.
well, just the title of the thread "no such thing as fat and fit" says it all.
54% higher risk is a lot better than an 88% higher risk, so that says that there is such a thing as being fat and more fit than otherwise.
that's all i'm trying to say.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 2:53:08 PM
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well, just the title of the thread "no such thing as fat and fit" says it all.
54% higher risk is a lot better than an 88% higher risk, so that says that there is such a thing as being fat and more fit than otherwise.
that's all i'm trying to say.
54% higher risk would be considered downright unfit by most standards, I think. Even you said that lowering one's risk by 34% was "a lot better."
I'm not pointing fingers at you, Elastic, just talking about the facts in relation to fat people in general.
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RE: New Research: No Such Thing as Fit AND Fat - 5/1/2008 8:05:07 PM
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That might not be laziness, though. I knew a nurse who got a job at a doc's office just blocks away, but had to drive, because there are times when they have to rush to the hospital or something and they really cannot afford the time it takes to walk back to their cars.
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