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No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 3:51:02 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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Why is it that we're not seeing anything about the midwest flooding that resembles what we saw after Katrina hit New Orleans?
Why are we not seeing footage of people blaming Bush, the governer, the mayor, the federal government, my Uncle Bob, etc? Why are we not seeing footage of people demanding bank cards? Why are we not seeing footage of people looting?
What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:09:50 PM
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Does the question need to be asked? Middle America doesn't see itself as victims.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:28:48 PM
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And when orders for evacuation came - people got out - and helped those who couldn't leave on their own get out.
Because neighbors are helping neighbors and they KNOW that when rains come the rivers have a chance to overflow their banks even with the levees and such.
They don't see the point in taking from a neighbor - when that neighbor is likely the one standing next to them on the sandbagging line.
Sure there will be people that need help from government programs, but they are going to go about getting in in an orderly way.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:32:48 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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Not to mention, farmers have so much more class! And that's a genuine, heartfelt sentiment from someone that has family in that area...and they're from a farming background, to boot.
No, I don't think the question really needs to be asked...but the answer(s) really need to be considered.
The differences I noted just seem to be so glaring...it's hard for me to not pause to consider this.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:33:23 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Does the question need to be asked? Middle America doesn't see itself as victims.
That's the difference between the sane moderates up north and the crazy conservative folks from LA and MS.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:37:07 PM
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That's the difference between the sane moderates up north and the crazy conservative folks from LA and MS.
Conservatives, regardless of their location think. Alll moderates and liberals (just one and the same) can do is feel.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 4:38:15 PM
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Well, I have heard some reports of looting, but they aren't very many.
I think it's just a very different situation. People are busy filling sandbags and bringing water to those who don't have any. The National Guard has been helping, and the Red Cross, and people are volunteering and working hard to help each other out. As hard as it is around here for many people, Katrina was a much larger disaster and because they weren't able to get help in time to save many of the people, a lot of the victims felt like no one cared about them.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 5:24:49 PM
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...Katrina was a much larger disaster and because they weren't able to get help in time to save many of the people, a lot of the victims felt like no one cared about them.
Victimization in action.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 5:40:39 PM
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I just want to put it on record that I am against this flooding, and I think it shameful no one has outlawed it yet. Yet another demonstration of how ineffective our government is.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 7:18:18 PM
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Another reason there isn't more fuss is because instead of WAITING for the federal government to step in and provide all the help, neighbors are helping neighbors, communities that are in safer areas are helping the people of the areas that are in the most trouble.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 7:36:25 PM
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The flooding from Katrina was much more widespread. New Orleans is below sea level, in Wisconsin and other flooded states only certain areas are flooded. Katrina took out a large city, this flooding took out more rural areas. At the time, forecasters did not know where Katrina would hit so there was not time to fully evacuate. Also, in Wisconsin we have over 15,000 lakes, whats one or two more?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/13/2008 8:53:30 PM
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At the time, forecasters did not know where Katrina would hit so there was not time to fully evacuate
Wrong....the "cone of uncertainty" made it likely the Big Sleazy would take a direct hit. With a storm as large as Katrina and due to the fact the city is below sea-level, anyone with any degree of iinteligence would hit the road. And who it the road before the storm it; none other the Ray "Chocolate City" Nagin.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 11:20:32 AM
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New Orleans had a population of about a half million people before Katrina. That's a lot of people to evacuate. I live in Milwaukee, a city with about the same population as New Orleans before the flood. I don't think that we could evacuate with the same amount of notice. The logistics required to move 500,000 people out of harms way is staggering. How far away is safe? Where do you put them? (This does not excuse the pathetic response of the Department of Homeland "security" or the Federal emergency "Management" Agency after the event. )
A big part of Wisconsin's ability to handle situations like the current flooding is that we are a progressive state and we tend to expect that our stae and local government will react as it should in such emergencies. We hold our politicions responsible when they don't.
Another big difference between the current flooding and Katrina is that much of the flooding here is rural. There just aren't that many displaced people in comparison.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 12:07:17 PM
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Conservatives, regardless of their location think. Alll moderates and liberals (just one and the same) can do is feel.
It appears that the moderates (I'm sorry, scumbag liberals or whatever you want to call them) in middle America actually thought.
I'm sorry collie, but you can't pin this on liberal vs. conservative.
I think the difference is the scale of the disaster. Both are pretty terrible, but Katrina affected perhaps five thousand square miles and half a state. Residents also had numerous warnings between the great flood of 1993 and now, so people are more prepared for this disaster.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 1:27:42 PM
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Why is it that we're not seeing anything about the midwest flooding that resembles what we saw after Katrina hit New Orleans?
Why are we not seeing footage of people blaming Bush, the governer, the mayor, the federal government, my Uncle Bob, etc? Why are we not seeing footage of people demanding bank cards? Why are we not seeing footage of people looting?
What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?
My thinking is because Katrina was a big hurricane "news story" that gets peoples attention to watch. Now, is all the flooding in the midwest as bad on the same scale as Katrina? Just curious.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 1:56:41 PM
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My thinking is because Katrina was a big hurricane "news story" that gets peoples attention to watch. Now, is all the flooding in the midwest as bad on the same scale as Katrina? Just curious.
There have actually been some reports (I've seen on the Weather Channel) that do equate this flooding with Katrina in some, not all, of the areas. The comparisons mainly come in regard to the amount of time an area will be under water.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 1:58:55 PM
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Regardless of the things you all have mentioned about the time factor, sensibility in evacuations, population per square mile, etc., how do you explain the lack of looting in the midwest compared with the huge amount of looting in New Orleans?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 2:03:38 PM
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I think I can say that Politics had a real lot to do with it.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 2:10:10 PM
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I think I can say that Politics had a real lot to do with it.
I don't know if politics would be a factor in whether or not a person is going to steal something. No politician or law forced the looting and no politician or law could have been so watchful as to keep someone from looting. As far as the looting goes, it comes down to personal morality if you ask me.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 2:20:40 PM
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Now, is all the flooding in the midwest as bad on the same scale as Katrina? Just curious.
Keep in mind I've only seen picture of Katrina, and I've not seen everything around here, either, but in my opinion it wasn't on the same scale. Some people were more affected than others, of course, but I remember the news stories about Katrina and seeing stadiums full of people who were flooded out, some of them dying, and dead bodies with no place to put them. Here we have shelters with people who were flooded out, but there aren't nearly as many people in them, and they aren't dying. I think there's been maybe a dozen deaths total in this flood, and there were over 1800 death in Katrina.
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how do you explain the lack of looting in the midwest compared with the huge amount of looting in New Orleans?
There was some looting reported recently on the news here, but the situation is pretty much under control.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 2:20:45 PM
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Regardless of the things you all have mentioned about the time factor, sensibility in evacuations, population per square mile, etc., how do you explain the lack of looting in the midwest compared with the huge amount of looting in New Orleans?
Lower population density
+ higher taxes per capita, and thus, more police per capita.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 3:01:25 PM
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I was in Indiana last weekend, we did see some flooding and lakes that were way above level. I feel bad for the people who were flooded out!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 9:57:06 PM
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Why is it that we're not seeing anything about the midwest flooding that resembles what we saw after Katrina hit New Orleans?
Huh? The local paper has front page coverage on this every day. I just sat down in front of Fox News for 10 minutes and the lead story was on the flooding. Do you watch TV much?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/14/2008 10:03:04 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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Why is it that we're not seeing anything about the midwest flooding that resembles what we saw after Katrina hit New Orleans?
Huh? The local paper has front page coverage on this every day. I just sat down in front of Fox News for 10 minutes and the lead story was on the flooding. Do you watch TV much?
No, not much. But re-read my question. Note the word "resembles".
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