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Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 9:40:39 AM
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SILVERNAME
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Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign has admitted that he has misled the public since 2004 on a hot-button social issue, but Big Media has virtually ignored the story.
The Illinois senator and a leading pro-life organization have accused each other of lying about his reasons for leading the fight against an anti-infanticide bill in the Illinois state senate between 2001 and 2003.
On Saturday, Obama accused the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) with "lying" about his record. On Sunday, however, his campaign was forced to concede the NRLC's charge was accurate.
Obama's opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) has been a major problem for his political campaigns since 2004, when his opponent in the U.S. Senate race accused him of supporting infanticide. BAIPA would have required hospitals to provide care to infants that survived an abortion attempt, rather than withhold treatment and allow them to die.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=221300
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 9:49:24 AM
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I heard the audio tapes of Obama on the floor of the State Senate when he was opposing the bill that would protect a child if born alive after a botched abortion.
B. Hussein Obama can spin this all he wants to; but he is the liar on this one.
Shame on him for wanting to extend abortion outside of the womb and change it from abortion to infanticide.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 9:49:42 AM
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I think this is like the fourth thread on this subject.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 9:51:26 AM
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I think this is like the fourth thread on this subject.
Let's see if the Obama bashers can get anything correct on this one.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 10:02:23 AM
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I think this is like the fourth thread on this subject.
No kidding. Overkill much?
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 12:34:39 PM
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Let's see if the Obama bashers can get anything correct on this one.
I am not really sure why the issue is important at all, other than the fact that Obama may have changed his story on it. It's not as if anything is going to show him to be in the least instance as a pro-life candidate.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 12:41:04 PM
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I think this is like the fourth thread on this subject.
No kidding. Overkill much?
OverKILL, how ironic...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 12:42:52 PM
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I think this is like the fourth thread on this subject.
Let's see if the Obama bashers can get anything correct on this one.
More so, let's see if the Obama supporters can turn it into something positive the for wicked man...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 12:54:21 PM
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I am not really sure why the issue is important at all, other than the fact that Obama may have changed his story on it. It's not as if anything is going to show him to be in the least instance as a pro-life candidate.
Once again, I agree.
When it comes to abortion rights, both sides are generally so entrenched into their positions that there's very little middle ground - although my own take on abortion tends to hang around this gray region.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:11:36 PM
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I am not really sure why the issue is important at all, other than the fact that Obama may have changed his story on it. It's not as if anything is going to show him to be in the least instance as a pro-life candidate.
Once again, I agree.
When it comes to abortion rights, both sides are generally so entrenched into their positions that there's very little middle ground - although my own take on abortion tends to hang around this gray region.
I how can there be middle ground when 3500 children are murdered daily? Long time ago on this forum I mentioned the idea of middle ground being liken to us standing outside of death camps in WW II and coming to some agreement with those inside on an acceptable number of people to be baked, gassed or starved to death...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:14:26 PM
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I am not really sure why the issue is important at all, other than the fact that Obama may have changed his story on it. It's not as if anything is going to show him to be in the least instance as a pro-life candidate.
Once again, I agree.
When it comes to abortion rights, both sides are generally so entrenched into their positions that there's very little middle ground - although my own take on abortion tends to hang around this gray region.
I how can there be middle ground when 3500 children are murdered daily? Long time ago on this forum I mentioned the idea of middle ground being liken to us standing outside of death camps in WW II and coming to some agreement with those inside on an acceptable number of people to be baked, gassed or starved to death...
John
The classic Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum
You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:19:39 PM
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Let's see if the Obama bashers can get anything correct on this one
I guess it does not matter to folks that will support a candidate that wants to kill the babies that survive the first shot at the abortion killing them (read infanticide) whether the thuth is there or not.
Folks that support the killing of babies just do not think all that clear nor care about life.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:22:34 PM
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You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
Yes, because he wanted to eliminate everyone except Aryans.
So what does this say about a leader who would want to make abortion legal and convenient for everyone?
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:29:25 PM
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You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
Yes, because he wanted to eliminate everyone except Aryans.
So what does this say about a leader who would want to make abortion legal and convenient for everyone?
Congratulations, you have successfully added 'false analogy' to your repetoire of illogic.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 2:32:26 PM
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Let's see if the Obama bashers can get anything correct on this one
I guess it does not matter to folks that will support a candidate that wants to kill the babies that survive the first shot at the abortion killing them (read infanticide) whether the thuth is there or not.
Since Obama has long upheld the Illiinois law which PREDATED the redundant law against which he voted (on the basis of its redundancy, not because he opposed its affect), it would seem that you are indulging in a 'subverted support' error, if not a total non sequitor.
And, since you have been well-informed over the past couple of days as to the nature of your incorrect statements, and you continue to repeat them as if they were true, that might constitute...what was the word you used earlier?
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 3:10:44 PM
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Congratulations, you have successfully added 'false analogy' to your repetoire of illogic.
You made the analogy.
I was just asking a question, which you avoided answering by dissembling, as usual.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 3:27:34 PM
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Since Obama has long upheld the Illiinois law which PREDATED the redundant law against which he voted (on the basis of its redundancy, not because he opposed its affect), it would seem that you are indulging in a 'subverted support' error, if not a total non sequitor.
And, since you have been well-informed over the past couple of days as to the nature of your incorrect statements, and you continue to repeat them as if they were true, that might constitute...what was the word you used earlier?
Do you really enjoy the taste of baby killing koolaid?
Obama said when arguing to kill the bill that an outside doctor called in to make a decision on a living baby after an abortion attempt; would only conjuse the choice of the mother (to kill the baby). That my friend is infanticide to the max.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 3:33:47 PM
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The classic Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum
How so? Simply by mention? I don't have to make people who support abortion look bad they do it themselves with their wicked and evil actions. For instance Mr Obama's support for abortion, which according to the bible, God word, is wicked, as well Mr Obama himself... His idea of middle ground does include an acceptable number of children being put to death...
For the record the people of this forum thought enough of the comment to elect it as the quote of the day...
Btw... I am sure folks who support evil agendas don't wish to be liken to known evil people... Just like evil folks don't like the word of God...
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You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
The reason its allowed in the United States isn't any more of a justifiable reason in the sight of God...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 3:59:48 PM
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Congratulations, you have successfully added 'false analogy' to your repetoire of illogic.
You made the analogy.
I was just asking a question, which you avoided answering by dissembling, as usual.
Reading your posts is like watching somebody try to drive a car without wheels.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:00:53 PM
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The classic Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum
How so? Simply by mention? I don't have to make people who support abortion look bad they do it themselves with their wicked and evil actions. For instance Mr Obama's support for abortion, which according to the bible, God word, is wicked, as well Mr Obama himself... His idea of middle ground does include an acceptable number of children being put to death...
For the record the people of this forum thought enough of the comment to elect it as the quote of the day...
Btw... I am sure folks who support evil agendas don't wish to be liken to known evil people... Just like evil folks don't like the word of God...
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You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
The reason its allowed in the United States isn't any more of a justifiable reason in the sight of God...
John
Don't hurt yourself backflipping away from having your reduction ad Hitlerum blow up in your face.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:10:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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The classic Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_hitlerum
How so? Simply by mention? I don't have to make people who support abortion look bad they do it themselves with their wicked and evil actions. For instance Mr Obama's support for abortion, which according to the bible, God word, is wicked, as well Mr Obama himself... His idea of middle ground does include an acceptable number of children being put to death...
For the record the people of this forum thought enough of the comment to elect it as the quote of the day...
Btw... I am sure folks who support evil agendas don't wish to be liken to known evil people... Just like evil folks don't like the word of God...
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You do know that one of the very first things Hitler did on coming to power was to outlaw abortion (for Arayans, while legalizing it for everyone else, gee I wonder why)...don't you?
The reason its allowed in the United States isn't any more of a justifiable reason in the sight of God...
John
Don't hurt yourself backflipping away from having your reduction ad Hitlerum blow up in your face.
You really can't deal with this topic, especially outside the secular realm and any mention of Mr Obama confirmed wickedness... Funny you dive into the other ones head first...
Nice bit of obfuscation...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:17:56 PM
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You really can't deal with this topic, especially outside the secular realm and any mention of Mr Obama confirmed wickedness...
Thanks again, Judge Hathorne...
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:24:03 PM
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You really can't deal with this topic, especially outside the secular realm and any mention of Mr Obama confirmed wickedness...
Thanks again, Judge Hathorne...
Run Forest, run.... I love how you cannot defend Mr. Obama apart from attacking those who simply point out the consequences of his actions...
John
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:25:38 PM
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Reading your posts is like watching somebody try to drive a car without wheels.
Since you are obviously a person who is highly familiar with things that lack substance, I will have to trust your judgement on that one.
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RE: Obama caught in infanticide deception - 8/22/2008 4:41:34 PM
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Reading your posts is like watching somebody try to drive a car without wheels.
Since you are obviously a person who is highly familiar with things that lack substance, I will have to trust your judgement on that one.
That is unusually astute of you.
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