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Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/19/2008 7:07:43 PM
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Dancre
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Well, Comrade Obama is up to it again. Now he's twisting folks words and taking on Rush Limbaugh. Oi!!! (I don't think I'd want to take on Rush.) quote:
John McCain and Rush Limbaugh are both slamming Barack Obama’s campaign for linking the two in a series of newly released Spanish-language ads that blast McCain as a two-faced, anti-immigrant lawmaker intolerant of Hispanics. Limbaugh lambasted McCain for an entire summer two years ago over McCain’s sponsorship of an immigration reform bill that included a temporary guest worker program and path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Nonetheless, the television and radio ads — set to air in Colorado, Florida, Nevada, and New Mexico — seek to link the Republican presidential candidate with biting comments by the conservative talk-show host about workers — and politicians — south of the border. “They want us to forget the insults we’ve put up with, the intolerance,” the announcer says in one of the ads as a picture of Limbaugh appears onscreen and the talk show host is quoted saying, “Mexicans are stupid and unqualified” and “Shut your mouth or get out.” “They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much,” the announcer continues. “John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote, and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families.” The McCain camp slammed the “Dos Caras” ads on Thursday. “”It is offensive and dishonest for Barack Obama to lie about John McCain’s record on immigration and years of support for the Hispanic community, when it was Barack Obama himself who voted for ‘poison pill’ amendments that killed the effort at immigration reform. Instead of making false ads with baseless attacks, Barack Obama should be apologizing to the Latino community,” said Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Cuban-American lawmaker from Florida. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/obama-ads-linking-mccain-to-rush-limbaugh-stir-controversy/ So let's see. Comrade Obama feels he has the right to tell radio stations who can be on their shows, what the media can and can't say about him and now feels it's his right to twist others' words for his benefit. So, Comrades, have any of you stood in line for potatoes this week? I hear they're quite tasty. I'd love to know what his supporters say about this one. I still haven't heard from the supporters about Obama telling WGN radio station who they can and can't interview. mmmm . . . . kim
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/19/2008 7:19:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dancre So, Comrades, have any of you stood in line for potatoes this week? I hear they're quite tasty. Actually, we have had to stand in line for food this week. Many of the supermarkets and restaurants have been closed because of Hurricane Ike. Fortunately it won't be long before everything gets back to normal. I understand what you are saying though. Obama would be far worse than Hurricane Ike.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/19/2008 7:26:28 PM
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rush ain't never lost has he?
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/20/2008 3:14:21 PM
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Not to mention that the soundbites in question from Rush was him describing MEXICO'S immigration policy and sarcastically adopting it as his own to make a point. But of course, Obama, being the agent for "change" that he is, will ensure people are informed about that right? (sarcasm intended)
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/20/2008 3:25:40 PM
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LOL! good point. I agree that most people don't listen to Rush. I haven't listened t Rush in years and years. I'm too busy working during the day to listen to him. Plus, I kind of got tired of him years ago, but I'm glad he's around. Much as I sometimes think his delivery is over the top, he almost single handledly kept things evened out with the mainstream media until Fox News showed up.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/20/2008 5:56:01 PM
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Why is it that when Obama pulls a stunt like this, his supporters run and hide. Still waiting for the supporters to come out and support his garbage. Sigh . . . kim
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/22/2008 3:46:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dancre Well, Comrade Obama is up to it again. Now he's twisting folks words and taking on Rush Limbaugh. Oi!!! (I don't think I'd want to take on Rush.) quote:
John McCain and Rush Limbaugh are both slamming Barack Obama’s campaign for linking the two in a series of newly released Spanish-language ads that blast McCain as a two-faced, anti-immigrant lawmaker intolerant of Hispanics. Limbaugh lambasted McCain for an entire summer two years ago over McCain’s sponsorship of an immigration reform bill that included a temporary guest worker program and path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Nonetheless, the television and radio ads — set to air in Colorado, Florida, Nevada, and New Mexico — seek to link the Republican presidential candidate with biting comments by the conservative talk-show host about workers — and politicians — south of the border. “They want us to forget the insults we’ve put up with, the intolerance,” the announcer says in one of the ads as a picture of Limbaugh appears onscreen and the talk show host is quoted saying, “Mexicans are stupid and unqualified” and “Shut your mouth or get out.” “They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much,” the announcer continues. “John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote, and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families.” The McCain camp slammed the “Dos Caras” ads on Thursday. “”It is offensive and dishonest for Barack Obama to lie about John McCain’s record on immigration and years of support for the Hispanic community, when it was Barack Obama himself who voted for ‘poison pill’ amendments that killed the effort at immigration reform. Instead of making false ads with baseless attacks, Barack Obama should be apologizing to the Latino community,” said Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Cuban-American lawmaker from Florida. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/obama-ads-linking-mccain-to-rush-limbaugh-stir-controversy/ So let's see. Comrade Obama feels he has the right to tell radio stations who can be on their shows, what the media can and can't say about him and now feels it's his right to twist others' words for his benefit. So, Comrades, have any of you stood in line for potatoes this week? I hear they're quite tasty. I'd love to know what his supporters say about this one. I still haven't heard from the supporters about Obama telling WGN radio station who they can and can't interview. mmmm . . . . kim That is a load of **** but sadly many people are ignorant and would believe Obama on this issue. The McCain-Kennedy immigration bill is part of the reason most of us conservatives were upset whenever McCain was the republican presidential nominee. And as for the policies of George Bush, well Bush was FOR the McCain-Kennedy bill and tried to ramrod it down our throats whether we wanted it or not. They should wish that McCain would try to push the Bush policy which included the AMNESTY BILL. As for wanting to take Rush on, he ought to think twice. I honestly think that Rush's "Operation Chaos" is what kept Hillary in the race for so long and caused a major distraction in the democratic nomination. Me, the wife, and several friends voted for Hillary even though we will vote republican in the presidential campaign. I understand that TX is one of a few states where you can legally do that. Not sure what other tricks Rush has up his sleeves, but the black messiah may feel the wrath of Rush :-) (p.s., off topic not sure why the forum hides that word in the first sentence because I do not cuss and use the "s" word. I think that even 2nd graders could use the "c" word equivalent without being offensive yet we adults can't use it?)
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/22/2008 4:29:42 PM
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Unfortunately, a lot of people get their "news" from sound bites that the mainstream media puts out. Other "information" comes from such credible sources as MTV, The Comedy Channel, etc. quote:
ORIGINAL: bzirk I'm thankful for broadcasters like Rush, but given the amount of people who could vote, he has a very small audience. It is still amazing to me how many people don't watch or listen to anything about politics -- much less read something about it. People are just disengaged -- even with the higher turnouts we've had in the last two elections. I say this to remind people that elections are won by a very small part of the population. If you think about election day and perhaps blowing off your vote 'because my vote is not that important in the big scheme of things,' think again. Last time some states were carried with a few hundred votes.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/22/2008 9:39:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7 Unfortunately, a lot of people get their "news" from sound bites that the mainstream media puts out. Other "information" comes from such credible sources as MTV, The Comedy Channel, etc. quote:
ORIGINAL: bzirk I'm thankful for broadcasters like Rush, but given the amount of people who could vote, he has a very small audience. It is still amazing to me how many people don't watch or listen to anything about politics -- much less read something about it. People are just disengaged -- even with the higher turnouts we've had in the last two elections. I say this to remind people that elections are won by a very small part of the population. If you think about election day and perhaps blowing off your vote 'because my vote is not that important in the big scheme of things,' think again. Last time some states were carried with a few hundred votes. Yep, and it's sad. All this talk about wanting the candidates to speak about the issues is a little laughable when you consider the attention span of the American people. But as to the topic of Obama and Rush, I think Rush would win for one reason alone -- he is more adept at making his points without hemming and hawing as Obama does. Much as people seem to have a lovefest with Obama, they like to get their info in a very concise manner. Obama doesn't speak that way.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/22/2008 10:01:14 PM
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But as to the topic of Obama and Rush, I think Rush would win for one reason alone -- he is more adept at making his points without hemming and hawing as Obama does. Much as people seem to have a lovefest with Obama, they like to get their info in a very concise manner. Obama doesn't speak that way. I agree. I find it rather odd how people have fallen in love with Obama, given him this rock star (Barackstar) persona. Yes, he's charismatic and charming. But he says very little of substance. His speeches seem to be filled with promises of how is going to take care of us, lead us to the promised land. Rush, on the other hand, comes across very gruff. But, when you listen to what he's saying, there is substance. Over the years I've known many people who listen to him that said they could not stand him at first. But, once they got past his demeanor and heard what he was really saying, they found that he was saying the things they were thinking. Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. Obama's constant use of the teleprompter makes it appear that what he speaks are not his own thoughts, rather what he's fed by advisors.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/22/2008 10:04:47 PM
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But as to the topic of Obama and Rush, I think Rush would win for one reason alone -- he is more adept at making his points without hemming and hawing as Obama does. Much as people seem to have a lovefest with Obama, they like to get their info in a very concise manner. Obama doesn't speak that way. I agree. I find it rather odd how people have fallen in love with Obama, given him this rock star (Barackstar) persona. Yes, he's charismatic and charming. But he says very little of substance. His speeches seem to be filled with promises of how is going to take care of us, lead us to the promised land. Rush, on the other hand, comes across very gruff. But, when you listen to what he's saying, there is substance. Over the years I've known many people who listen to him that said they could not stand him at first. But, once they got past his demeanor and heard what he was really saying, they found that he was saying the things they were thinking. Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. Obama's constant use of the teleprompter makes it appear that what he speaks are not his own thoughts, rather what he's fed by advisors.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 9:47:50 AM
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Those that fall for the Obama rock star persona and hear only the promises of another Camelot are those who don't want to face the real world and meet its challenges. They want government to take care of them so that they can go on with the really important things in life, like watching Oprah, soap operas, sports, MTV, or playing video games. IMHO. quote:
ORIGINAL: zamdad quote:
But as to the topic of Obama and Rush, I think Rush would win for one reason alone -- he is more adept at making his points without hemming and hawing as Obama does. Much as people seem to have a lovefest with Obama, they like to get their info in a very concise manner. Obama doesn't speak that way. I agree. I find it rather odd how people have fallen in love with Obama, given him this rock star (Barackstar) persona. Yes, he's charismatic and charming. But he says very little of substance. His speeches seem to be filled with promises of how is going to take care of us, lead us to the promised land. Rush, on the other hand, comes across very gruff. But, when you listen to what he's saying, there is substance. Over the years I've known many people who listen to him that said they could not stand him at first. But, once they got past his demeanor and heard what he was really saying, they found that he was saying the things they were thinking. Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. Obama's constant use of the teleprompter makes it appear that what he speaks are not his own thoughts, rather what he's fed by advisors.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 9:55:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: zamdad Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. No, Rush's analysis of most matters is over-simplified to the point of turning every issue into a case of us-v-them / right-vs-wrong. By polarizing and overly simplifying issues, he's able to fire up his audience and keep them tuned in - his job is to keep people listening to advertisements, not to provide honest, thoughtful political analysis. One of the reasons that liberal talk radio continually fails is because it's harder for liberals to unify their audience behind overly polarized talking points. -Dan.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 10:16:48 AM
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No, Rush's analysis of most matters is over-simplified to the point of turning every issue into a case of us-v-them / right-vs-wrong. By polarizing and overly simplifying issues, he's able to fire up his audience and keep them tuned in - his job is to keep people listening to advertisements, not to provide honest, thoughtful political analysis. One of the reasons that liberal talk radio continually fails is because it's harder for liberals to unify their audience behind overly polarized talking points. Liberal talk radio doesn't work in a free market because liberals can't agree on matters of right and wrong. Liberal ideology seems to support the notion that what's right for you may not be what's right for me. Why is it that the libs want The Fairness Doctrine? The libs want to shut down the free market because it doesn't work to support their cause; a cause they can not ocme to agreement on. Rush has been so successful for such a long time because he reflects the views of a majority of people across the nation. Perhaps not in your world, but the real world exceeds far beyond the boundaries of your reality. Seems to me your assesment of Rush is over simplified.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 10:22:30 AM
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To say that "nobody listens to Rush" is completely incorrect. He has the largest audience in talk radio and pulls in about 20 million listeners a day, which I would say is a pretty substantial number. I believe Hannity comes in second with 13 million, but I could have a faulty memory on the exact number. Also, to say that Rush is only out to keep advertisers happy by oversimplifying things is an oversimplification. Rush has a lot of insider info and constantly has a finger on the pulse of politics. He may be a bit bombastic sometimes, but is well worth listening to. I listened to Rush when he first started 20 years ago and watched his television show when it was on all through my school years. I stopped listening and watching around the time I graduated. Twelve years later here I am listening again. When I first tuned back in, I was a bit put off by his apparent "ego", but then I realized all of the stuff he says about himself is stuff that the media has said about him in an insulting manner and he uses it pretty tongue-in-cheek as a joke (talent on loan from God, America's truth-detector, the man who runs America, etc). If you listen to him a little you will find that Rush is actually an extremely generous and kind-hearted guy. He gets very tongue-tied when people compliment him, and gives a ton of money to charity. He does an annual charity drive for a certain cancer foundation, and this year he originally started the charity drive off with $300,000 of his own money, but then upped it to $400,000 in a heartbeat when these two women told him that they would put in $100,000 if he would match it. Anyhow, don't underestimate the effect that Rush has on the voting public. It is by no means insignificant.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 6:54:09 PM
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You're right, Dave. They want a 'savior' who will make all the decisions for them. They want it all, but don't let me work for it. Sad. If they really looked at his 'changes' I think they'd be pretty suprised as to what is in store for them. And If Obama is sooooo wonderful, then shouldn't Illinois be the most wonderful place in the world?? Instead, we have a governer we are trying to impeach, corruption running through the capital halls and no, world, it's not the paradise Obama wants to create. Trust me, he's just blowing smoke. If he cares soooo much about the country, why doesn't he start with his home state Illinios??? Blagoyavich is threatening to shut down our parks if we don't give him what he wants and where oh where is our wonderful Senator??? Can't he do something, anything??? Please??? Can he at least talk to the governer and say, you might not want to do that??? Where are all of these great opportunities Obama wants to give to the nation? Why not start here in Illinois?? Where's this great Zero to Five thing he wants to start with the kids? Where?? Why isn't he saving the kids in the projects in my small city?? WHERE IS OBAMA???? He's not the rock star he claims to be. And may I also add, Durbin doing more for us than Obama ever did. He cares more about being president, than us, that's for sure. quote:
ORIGINAL: davemiller7 Those that fall for the Obama rock star persona and hear only the promises of another Camelot are those who don't want to face the real world and meet its challenges. They want government to take care of them so that they can go on with the really important things in life, like watching Oprah, soap operas, sports, MTV, or playing video games. IMHO. quote:
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But as to the topic of Obama and Rush, I think Rush would win for one reason alone -- he is more adept at making his points without hemming and hawing as Obama does. Much as people seem to have a lovefest with Obama, they like to get their info in a very concise manner. Obama doesn't speak that way. I agree. I find it rather odd how people have fallen in love with Obama, given him this rock star (Barackstar) persona. Yes, he's charismatic and charming. But he says very little of substance. His speeches seem to be filled with promises of how is going to take care of us, lead us to the promised land. Rush, on the other hand, comes across very gruff. But, when you listen to what he's saying, there is substance. Over the years I've known many people who listen to him that said they could not stand him at first. But, once they got past his demeanor and heard what he was really saying, they found that he was saying the things they were thinking. Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. Obama's constant use of the teleprompter makes it appear that what he speaks are not his own thoughts, rather what he's fed by advisors.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 7:56:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX To say that "nobody listens to Rush" is completely incorrect. I guess it's a good thing that nobody said that. What was said was that many/most people don't listen to Rush; and that's true. The majority of people don't. quote:
Also, to say that Rush is only out to keep advertisers happy by oversimplifying things is an oversimplification. Rush has a lot of insider info and constantly has a finger on the pulse of politics. He may be a bit bombastic sometimes, but is well worth listening to. His job is to keep the advertisers happy. He does that by providing a certain amount of political info with a heavy dose of opinion. Given his popularity, it should be no surprise that he can be used as a tool of political persuasion. quote:
I listened to Rush when he first started 20 years ago and watched his television show when it was on all through my school years. I stopped listening and watching around the time I graduated. Twelve years later here I am listening again. When I first tuned back in, I was a bit put off by his apparent "ego", but then I realized all of the stuff he says about himself is stuff that the media has said about him in an insulting manner and he uses it pretty tongue-in-cheek as a joke (talent on loan from God, America's truth-detector, the man who runs America, etc). If you listen to him a little you will find that Rush is actually an extremely generous and kind-hearted guy. He gets very tongue-tied when people compliment him, and gives a ton of money to charity. He does an annual charity drive for a certain cancer foundation, and this year he originally started the charity drive off with $300,000 of his own money, but then upped it to $400,000 in a heartbeat when these two women told him that they would put in $100,000 if he would match it. I don't have an problem w/ the guy's opinion of himself or with his charitable causes. He's got some personal issues to deal with just like we all do. My problem is with what he says on the radio. -Dan.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 10:50:43 PM
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Those that fall for the Obama rock star persona and hear only the promises of another Camelot are those who don't want to face the real world and meet its challenges. They want government to take care of them so that they can go on with the really important things in life, like watching Oprah, soap operas, sports, MTV, or playing video games. IMHO. but this sounds like what the gov't just did with these bailouts, so the rich can continue to live in 7 houses, buy $500 shoes. the problem with Rush is he's a hypocrite and a liar.
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RE: Obama vs Rush. Who will win? - 9/23/2008 11:54:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: zamdad Also, Rush's analysis of most matters is dead on. No, Rush's analysis of most matters is over-simplified to the point of turning every issue into a case of us-v-them / right-vs-wrong. By polarizing and overly simplifying issues, he's able to fire up his audience and keep them tuned in - his job is to keep people listening to advertisements, not to provide honest, thoughtful political analysis. One of the reasons that liberal talk radio continually fails is because it's harder for liberals to unify their audience behind overly polarized talking points. -Dan. The big reason is they thought it was easy since Rush is an idiot in their view...
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