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Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 7:25:14 PM
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todd_t
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Frankly, I don't think "Troopergate" is a very big deal.
However, I find it odd that where she once called for full disclosure in a state investigation, now Sarah Palin has suddenly reversed herself, and a top McCain lawyer is now in Alaska trying to shut it all down.
Why now?
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5827023&page=1
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 7:45:07 PM
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And yet again, it beggars the question...could McCain not have found anybody, an-ee-bod-ee, with less baggage and distraction?
I agree, Todd, it could be a minor deal. But.
Big deal or not, it's definitely something that attracts ugly attention and does not inspire confidence in the vetting process.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 7:47:30 PM
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Big deal or not, it's definitely something that attracts ugly attention and does not inspire confidence in the vetting process.
I agree.
IMO, it's a stupid move politically because instead of allowing the investigation to quietly take its course, now it makes Palin looks like she's got something to hide - and whiffs of scandal attract the media like sharks to blood.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 7:48:37 PM
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okrox
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Big deal or not, it's definitely something that attracts ugly attention and does not inspire confidence in the vetting process.
Well, IMO, it's a stupid move politically because instead of allowing the investigation to quietly take its course, now it makes Palin looks like she's got something to hide - and that will attract far more media attention than not.
Exactly. Why not just get it over with? This looks much, much worse.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 7:50:45 PM
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Exactly. Why not just get it over with? This looks much, much worse.
We'll have to see if it snaps back on her in the public eye. But again, IMO, it's a dumb call on Palin's part.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 8:16:24 PM
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Boy, you lefties just can't read anything through reality-glasses. Why does everything have to be spun so hard to the left?
I love how the OP opens with, "I don't think it is a big deal, BUT...." (this is what Laura Ingraham calls a "But Monkey") If it isn't a big deal, then don't try to spin it into one.
As usual, we have to look to the right for the truth:
Gov. Palin released a bunch of records on this so-called scandal, which pretty much disprove the entire allegation that she fired her Public Safety Commish, Walter Monegan, out of a personal grudge because he wouldn't fire Trooper Wooten (who threatened to "put a bullet" into Palin's father). The documents show that Monegan had a history of insubordination.
She is not cooperating anymore because 1) there is really no need, and 2) the investigation is being managed by Alaska State Senator Hollis French, an avid Obama supporter:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/new_documents_released_in_troo.asp
Here is another good site if anyone is interested in the truth and not just the left's Palin Derangement Syndrome version (bolding and italics mine):
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From: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/palin-fires-back-in-troopergate-releases-memos-showing-insubordination/
According to the papers filed by Palin’s legal team, that was not the only instance of insubordination from Monegan:
* 12/9/07: Monegan holds a press conference with Hollis French to push his own budget plan.
* 1/29/08: Palin’s staffers have to rework their procedures to keep Monegan from bypassing normal channels for budget requests.
* February 2008: Monegan publicly releases a letter he wrote to Palin supporting a project she vetoed.
* June 26, 2008: Monegan bypassed the governor’s office entirely and contacted Alaska’s Congressional delegation to gain funding for a project.
From this presentation, it looks like Monegan had decided from the start to be a loose cannon in the Palin administration. The wonder of this isn’t that he got fired — it’s how he managed to hang onto his job as long as he did. The response calls Monegan’s trip to Washington the “final straw”, and it’s not difficult to see why. Monegan even admitted it in his valedictory e-mail to his colleagues, saying that he “had waited too long outside her door for her to believe that I supported her.” Nor did Monegan file an ethics complaint, as the law would have required him to do, if he felt his termination violated state ethics laws. (Palin filed the complaint herself to argue the case.)
As the filing states, Monegan served as a political appointee, at the pleasure of the Governor. Obviously, Monegan didn’t act to support Palin’s budget initiatives, often acting in opposition to them. In anyone’s administration, that will result in dismissal. Monegan kicked himself out of the job through his own acts.
Translation: Monegan got fired because he was a turd, Palin isn't "flip-flopping", and the left is angry because this was about the best "dirt" they could dig up on Gov. Palin.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 9:03:15 PM
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Big deal or not, it's definitely something that attracts ugly attention and does not inspire confidence in the vetting process.
I agree.
IMO, it's a stupid move politically because instead of allowing the investigation to quietly take its course, now it makes Palin looks like she's got something to hide - and whiffs of scandal attract the media like sharks to blood.
It looked like they were about to make a mountain out of a molehill and get ugly about it - and you can bet there were some Democratic operatives in Alaska pushing that along. I think that's why she/they decided not to play their game. It would've turned into a circus and an even bigger distraction.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 9:23:42 PM
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It would've turned into a circus and an even bigger distraction.
Well, guess what? I think that distraction is exactly what is going to happen to Palin now.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 10:22:06 PM
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"But Monkey" 
When I read that I immediately thought of the movie "Bruce Almighty"
Butt Monkey
Hahahaha! When Laura Ingraham uses it, she plays the audio clip up to the point where the person is about to say "but" and then plays a big, deep male voice that says "BUT MONKEY" with a monkey howl sound. Absolutely hilarious when you hear it.
If you want to laugh (hard) check out the archives nailing Obama, Biden, Pelosi, CNN, Clinton, McCain... the list goes on and on:
But Monkey Archives
I don't know if this is against TOS (nothing dirty), but you gotta check it out:
http://www.lauraingraham.com/site/product?pid=15008
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/17/2008 10:26:09 PM
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It would've turned into a circus and an even bigger distraction.
Well, guess what? I think that distraction is exactly what is going to happen to Palin now.
And she ends up coming out looking like the good-guy... er, girl.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 1:30:16 AM
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Do cover-ups have a history of painting the cover-er as the good guy?
Wasn't there one of those political slogans about that? Along the lines of "It's the economy, stupid!"... "It's the cover-up, stupid!"
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 1:57:49 AM
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There is nothing to cover-up... this is classic mountain-out-of-a-molehill material.
Unless you live in 9/11 Trutherville. Then I guess Gov. Palin fired the guy because he was too close to uncovering the alien spaceship that Elvis stole from Area 51 and flew to Alaska, where he crashed it and smooshed Bigfoot.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 2:42:25 AM
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There is nothing to cover-up... this is classic mountain-out-of-a-molehill material.
Unless you live in 9/11 Trutherville. Then I guess Gov. Palin fired the guy because he was too close to uncovering the alien spaceship that Elvis stole from Area 51 and flew to Alaska, where he crashed it and smooshed Bigfoot.
I think the story is something like: she fired the guy because he wouldn't help her pursue a personal vendetta. The short story is that it's abuse of power. It's boring abuse of power, and it's nothing sexy that the newsfolk are going to freak out over, but that's why cover-ups can be dangerous.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 4:49:09 AM
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Boy, you lefties just can't read anything through reality-glasses. Why does everything have to be spun so hard to the left?
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As usual, we have to look to the right for the truth:
This is absolutely the funniest thing, ever: ME, being called a lefty. If ONLY you knew how gut-bustingly funny that is...
I'm NOT a lefty.
And for all my kicking and screaming, I still haven't given away my vote. I still, may, possibly end up going Republican here. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal. I have serious reservations about all the candidates. I'm still weighing.
What I AM, is someone who is aghast at the ease with which the "conservative base" strains at gnats and swallows herds of camels.
Please, please, please look at your other statement. That pretty well sums up what I'm so against here...the unmerited blind faith that the hard right is putting in McCain/Palin. I don't know how to emphasize this enough, but I'll try:
NEITHER LEFT NOR RIGHT HAS THE MONOPOLY ON TRUTH, INTEGRITY, OR MORALS.
BOTH parties and BOTH candidates are flawed, but--I believe, anyway--sincere people. NEITHER IS BLAMELESS. NEITHER is worthless.
Whoops. Getting OT here.
So let's get back to it.
Can't anyone possibly agree with me that choosing someone who is already being investigated for corruption by a bi-partisan agreement of her own state might possibly have been a reckless move, and that delaying said investigation might possibly look a little suspect to the world at large?
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 5:56:07 AM
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There is nothing to cover-up... this is classic mountain-out-of-a-molehill material.
Unless you live in 9/11 Trutherville. Then I guess Gov. Palin fired the guy because he was too close to uncovering the alien spaceship that Elvis stole from Area 51 and flew to Alaska, where he crashed it and smooshed Bigfoot.
You're right. It's not a cover-up, she's just decided not to cooperate with an investigation that's turned into a DNC-led witch hunt. And it's not a flip flop - she said it was no big deal, she still says it's no big deal.
I don't think people are going to see this as a cover-up. They're going to see it as yet another unwarranted attack and will appreciate this woman standing up to the jerks who can't handle her.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 8:36:51 AM
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Big deal or not, it's definitely something that attracts ugly attention and does not inspire confidence in the vetting process.
I agree.
IMO, it's a stupid move politically because instead of allowing the investigation to quietly take its course, now it makes Palin looks like she's got something to hide - and whiffs of scandal attract the media like sharks to blood.
What a joke, as if the media won't make it look like she has something to hide no matter what!
I just saw a blog of a guy that said her old church removed sermons off their website when her VP candidacy began. They wondered what she was hiding.
You and everyone else like that are all the same crying crocodile tears saying "oh it's no big deal" all the while fanning the flames of implication.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 9:39:32 AM
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There is nothing to cover-up... this is classic mountain-out-of-a-molehill material.
Unless you live in 9/11 Trutherville. Then I guess Gov. Palin fired the guy because he was too close to uncovering the alien spaceship that Elvis stole from Area 51 and flew to Alaska, where he crashed it and smooshed Bigfoot.
I think the story is something like: she fired the guy because he wouldn't help her pursue a personal vendetta. The short story is that it's abuse of power. It's boring abuse of power, and it's nothing sexy that the newsfolk are going to freak out over, but that's why cover-ups can be dangerous.
Let me just see if I understand your thinking (or lack there-of):
1. The trooper in question tasered his 11 yr old step-son
2. He threatened to shoot someone
2. He drove his car while drunk on duty
4. He shot a moose illegally
5. YOU THINK " she fired the guy because he wouldn't help her pursue a personal vendetta."
What???????
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 9:51:45 AM
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okrox: my statements were directed more towards the OP, but your left leanings were vident when you wrote:
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And yet again, it beggars the question...could McCain not have found anybody, an-ee-bod-ee, with less baggage and distraction?
If Sarah Palin had any "less baggage" she would float right out of Earth's atmosphere. I assume you have left leanings because you appear to be riding the "Bash-Sarah-For-Any-Made-up-Scandal-We-Can-And-Pretend-She-Isn't-Qualified" bandwagon with all of the other liberals. According to you that is an incorrect conclusion, so I won't press the issue.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 10:11:51 AM
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Some quotes from the CNN ARTICLE ON THIS STORY:
Palin has denied wrongdoing. Her allies argue the investigation has become a "partisan circus" since she became Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain's running mate, and they argue that any investigation should be handled by the State Personnel Board.
The letter was sent to Sen. Hollis French, the Democratic chairman of the state Senate Judiciary Committee, which approved the subpoenas last week. Palin's allies have blasted French over comments he made to ABC News in early September, warning that the investigation into Monegan's firing could yield an "October surprise" for the GOP ticket in the form of criminal charges.
It sounds to me like the reasoning is that the investigating council is accused of being biased and that they're gleefully counting on a negative report right before the election. This doesn't indicate that Palin and crew are trying to hide anything; it might simply indicate that they see the council as biased and don't want it to affect the outcome of the election.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 3:39:24 PM
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Let me just see if I understand your thinking (or lack there-of):
1. The trooper in question tasered his 11 yr old step-son
2. He threatened to shoot someone
2. He drove his car while drunk on duty
4. He shot a moose illegally
5. YOU THINK " she fired the guy because he wouldn't help her pursue a personal vendetta."
What???????
If I had this guy as an in-law, I probably would have a personal vendetta. Not I think she did anything improper just that SURE it was probably a little personal. Just sayin'.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 5:41:34 PM
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My only question is, "Did she follow proper procedure?" Seems to me that if you are a confessing believers you're integrity should be first and formost.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 7:18:45 PM
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You're right. It's not a cover-up, she's just decided not to cooperate with an investigation that's turned into a DNC-led witch hunt.
Give me a break....
This investigation began before Palin ever stepped into the national public eye, and she endorsed it going forward. Now that she's backpedaling, it creates the aura of a cover-up, which is often far more damaging than any cover-up itself.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/18/2008 7:45:00 PM
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You're right. It's not a cover-up, she's just decided not to cooperate with an investigation that's turned into a DNC-led witch hunt.
Give me a break....
This investigation began before Palin ever stepped into the national public eye, and she endorsed it going forward. Now that she's backpedaling, it creates the aura of a cover-up, which is often far more damaging than any cover-up itself.
Give me a break....
Gov. Palin was the one who initiated the instigation in the first place! Now that records have been made public, it is quite obvious that she wasn't even remotely in the wrong. Add to that the fact that the lead investigator is in the tank for Obama, and it becomes obvious to folks who can see the world through reality-glasses that she has no reason to continue cooperating with the sham of an investigation.
The only people that cry "cover-up" are those who have nothing better to attack Gov. Palin with and want to hang on to any kind of scandal they can because her nomination destroyed any semblance of an Obama lead.
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RE: Palin Flip-Flops On Troopergate - 9/19/2008 9:32:48 AM
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You're right. It's not a cover-up, she's just decided not to cooperate with an investigation that's turned into a DNC-led witch hunt.
Give me a break....
This investigation began before Palin ever stepped into the national public eye, and she endorsed it going forward. Now that she's backpedaling, it creates the aura of a cover-up, which is often far more damaging than any cover-up itself.
Todd_t you do even acknowledge the fact that Democrats have dropped 30 lawyers in Alaska to dig up dirt on her right?
Are these stubborn facts just things you choose to ignore? You continue to refute reality, and it defies all logic and reason.
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