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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 9:43:35 PM
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AdrianaS
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I thought it would start at 10 just like the conventions...
What time it did start at 9pm? I cannot believe I miss the start of it!
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 9:51:25 PM
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GregandJenny
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McCain is very passionate about foriegn affairs. you can tell his heart is in it.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 9:58:04 PM
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I thought it would start at 10 just like the conventions...
What time it did start at 9pm? I cannot believe I miss the start of it!
8 pm CST
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:04:04 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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what did/do you guys think?
That it would sure be nice if BO could at least remember that his opponent is named JOHN. If he's going to keep calling him by his first name...he ought to at least use the right one, lol.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:20:28 PM
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ManimalX
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The moderated platform is almost over (I won't call t a debate because it isn't), but I didn't hear anything new from the two candidates. We get more information when the candidates are out on the campaign trail.
On a humorous note, my 5 1/2 year-old just informed me that John McCain looks like an ugnaught from Star Wars because he has a lumpy head...
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:25:28 PM
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CubFanBrian
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McCain is looking and sounding far more presidential than Obama. I particularly liked his quip about not even having a presidential seal. He sounds far more credible than Obama in terms of who I'd want dealing with Russia and Iran.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:29:48 PM
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RichLP
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McCain is looking and sounding far more presidential than Obama. I particularly liked his quip about not even having a presidential seal. He sounds far more credible than Obama in terms of who I'd want dealing with Russia and Iran.
I respectfully disagree, because McCain engaged in cheap fearmongering in his statements that Iran (Ahmadinejad) is out to destroy Israel; Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, isn't even the commander-in-chief of that country's military and Iran can't threaten Israel, because if it tried, Israel would nuke Iran without hesitation. As for Russia: GEORGIA attacked S. Ossetia first. "We are all Georgians?" Nonsense.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:43:52 PM
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Fearmongering? Uh.. let's see. What part of his saying that Israel must disappear do you not understand?
And, the left sure does buy into the Russian argument that S. Ossetia is a legitimate separate country in its own right. Unfortunately, that's a little like saying the Confederate was a legitimate breakaway. Lincoln might have a little difference of opinion on that. 
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McCain is looking and sounding far more presidential than Obama. I particularly liked his quip about not even having a presidential seal. He sounds far more credible than Obama in terms of who I'd want dealing with Russia and Iran.
I respectfully disagree, because McCain engaged in cheap fearmongering in his statements that Iran (Ahmadinejad) is out to destroy Israel; Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, isn't even the commander-in-chief of that country's military and Iran can't threaten Israel, because if it tried, Israel would nuke Iran without hesitation. As for Russia: GEORGIA attacked S. Ossetia first. "We are all Georgians?" Nonsense.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:45:24 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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Actually, we enjoyed that part. When he said, 'And we are going to look at him and say, no you aren't?' LOL
Obama had two main thrusts--attempting to paint McCain as Bush III and saying, 'No, I didn't!' Frankly neither impressed me.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:45:35 PM
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Psalms274
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McCain engaged in cheap fearmongering in his statements that Iran (Ahmadinejad) is out to destroy Israel; Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, isn't even the commander-in-chief of that country's military and Iran can't threaten Israel, because if it tried, Israel would nuke Iran without hesitation.
It is only fearmongering if it is not true. The problem with your statement that Iran would never nuke Israel because they would get nuked right back is the Iranian heads do not think the way we do ... there is a cultural difference that you do not seem to understand. The heads in Iran are part of the same radical Islamic belief that it is a good thing to die in a holy war. They consider themselves to be in a holy war with Israel, and I have no doubt that without strong encouragement from outside sources (in the way of sanctions that was mentioned in the debate) the Iranians would not hesitate in nuking Israel.
I found Senator Obama to be rather naive in many of his ideas on foreign affairs which scares the tar out of me ... I would not feel safe with him at the realm. I noticed he had moments of panic the last 40 minutes of the debate (I didn't turn on the debate until 9:40 pm EST) ... Senator McCain waited and handled the questions in a more confident steamline manner ... at least during the part that I witnessed.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 10:59:23 PM
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raivyne
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**newsflash** Iran's president does want to wipe Israel off the map. **end newsflash**
Will he be able to? Hasn't so far... but that doesn't mean he won't do everything in his power to try or foment efforts to do so. Lucky for Israel he's on shaky ground and has to balance himself carefully.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:07:28 PM
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relady
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Obama had two main thrusts--attempting to paint McCain as Bush III and saying, 'No, I didn't!' and then he backed up every time he said that with the facts to show that he "didn't" whatever. Nice how you missed that part.
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The problem with your statement that Iran would never nuke Israel because they would get nuked right back is the Iranian heads do not think the way we do ... there is a cultural difference that you do not seem to understand. Israel would never let Iran get the first shot off. They are fully capable of keeping Iran nuke-free if they choose to do so. They have done it before and would not hesitate to do so again, I'm sure. Israel can take quite good care of herself.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:13:01 PM
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blessedinnyc
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McCain is very passionate about foriegn affairs. you can tell his heart is in it.
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Well, he had an advantage- it looked like he was able to sneak a teleprompter in.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:35:53 PM
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Jhud
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Oddly, I found myself agreeing with Obama throughout the debate.
In fact all eight times he said, "John McCain is absolutely right".
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:39:15 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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LOL, Jack.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:41:51 PM
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Oddly, I found myself agreeing with Obama throughout the debate.
In fact all eight times he said, "John McCain is absolutely right".
lol........!
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:47:01 PM
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I couldn't watch the debate tonight, so I need to know, did John McCain really say that Israel must disappear? What was Obama's opinion on Israel's right to exist as a nation?
What about the economy? What about their views on this bail out legislation Congress is trying to pass?
Any mention of abortion? Gay marriage?
These are important issues to me in considering who to vote for in November.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:50:48 PM
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Psalms274
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**newsflash** Iran's president does want to wipe Israel off the map. **end newsflash**
On October 30, 2005 From the New York Times Mr Ahmadinejad stated, "Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world."
In the Muslim culture the Iman is the religious leader whom often has as much power, if not more, than the president.
The phrase 'wiped away' can still be seen on Mr Ahmadinejad's Presidential website:
He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away.
On 2007-05-19. Mr Ahmadinejad stated as quoted in the Pakistan Daily News "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime," Being shamed is something that is avoided at all costs within the Muslim culture ... both normal and radical. It is better to lie and "save face" than to be shamed. This last statement is a play of words ... he states "we do not recognize legally this regime" ... they do not recognize Israel as a country ... so of course he will not wipe the "country" of Israel off the map ... but he also states that they will wipe off the "regime" off the map ... and continues to say it.
I studied the Muslim culture for a year at our church in a program that reaches out to Muslims. We learned about the differences in the cultures and how to lead someone to Christ through the Quran. I think the problem I hear (and read) about some of the arguments given by some about how this culture will behave and thinks, and I can only assume that those making those statements are assuming that all cultures are alike and think like we do ... and this simply is not the case.
I had a Polish foreign exchange student tell me an American joke once. (It was a twist on the many Polish jokes.) He asked me how many Americans it takes to screw in a lightball?"
The answer ... "One, he holds it there and waits for the world to revolve around him." I laughed because it was so true ... we often falsely believe that the rest of the world sees the world from our perspective ... and have the same belief systems.
If you believe that you will bring honor to your family by dying in a holy war, it is a much better thing than living in a safe environment and bringing shame by allowing the enemy to prosper. (I am talking of the radical Islam beliefs ... in reality Jihad does not refer to deliberately going into battle but refers to being martyred much in the same way Christian Missionaries have been Martyred. Another interesting note that has nothing to do w/ my point ....the Qu'ran states that Christians and Muslims should be "closer than brothers" ... true Christians are referred to as "people of the book" and are not the infidels that many believe. There are so many myths that we believe about what the Qu'an actually says ... and many myths that Muslims believe to be true about those of the Christian faith. But when you discover the truths and are able to open up a dialogue, and thereby clear up some of the myths they believe ... it is amazing how God can open the door to reveal the only straight path to Him ... our dear Lord Jesus.)
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:52:17 PM
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The ebb and flow of tonight’s surprisingly active debate was interesting – if a tad boring in the middle.
At the conclusion, I was willing to give McCain a slight edge – yet I was also impressed with Obama’s mastery of the issues, and ability to back away from his habit of coming across as a professor.
As for McCain, his well of experience was clear, but inconsistently applied. McCain’s failure to look Obama in the eye while the latter was speaking to him also struck me as awkward, and frankly a bit rude.
But for the record, I’m going to give both candidates good marks in a debate I’m going to call a draw.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:54:03 PM
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I couldn't watch the debate tonight, so I need to know, did John McCain really say that Israel must disappear? What was Obama's opinion on Israel's right to exist as a nation?
What about the economy? What about their views on this bail out legislation Congress is trying to pass?
Any mention of abortion? Gay marriage?
These are important issues to me in considering who to vote for in November.
McCain was quoting someone else, not saying that he thought Israel should be destroyed.
I came in late but did not hear anything about abortion or gay marriage.
They both talked about what they would do to help the economy recover from the current situation. Pretty standard stuff there.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:54:35 PM
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Oddly, I found myself agreeing with Obama throughout the debate.
In fact all eight times he said, "John McCain is absolutely right".
In the CW award show, I voted for you for the "most humorous."
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/26/2008 11:57:45 PM
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I respectfully disagree, because McCain engaged in cheap fearmongering in his statements that Iran (Ahmadinejad) is out to destroy Israel; Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, isn't even the commander-in-chief of that country's military and Iran can't threaten Israel, because if it tried, Israel would nuke Iran without hesitation.
I agree.
I think that both McCain and Palin's cheap fearmongering over Iran committing a "second holocaust" and wiping Israel out is lame ploy, especially considering (as relady noted) that Israel is fully capable of taking care of itself.
Ten bucks says that if Iran keeps inching towards nuclear capability, and Imadinnerjacket continues to boast about it, that Israel won't hesitate to knock out their facilities.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 12:48:57 AM
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I liked the debate, thought it was pretty informative. Much more exciting than sitting through a half hour each of the AARP interviews. LOL!
I think Obama is better for me and my family, but I think McCain is better for the country as a whole and the world. If I were selfish, I'd vote Obama.
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