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Succoth? - 10/13/2008 8:17:54 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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Apparently, Succoth (Feast of Tabernacles) is coming up. A family at my church is planning a Succoth celebration at their home and have invited me.
Do/Should Christians celebrate Succoth? What would be the significance of Christians celebrating a Jewish holiday?
I understand what Succoth is, but just have never known anyone (Gentile) that celebrates it and have never thought of it myself.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/13/2008 8:45:07 PM
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i much rather celebrate a festival ordained by the Lord himself than the ones honoured by the world.
Lev 23
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons
33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. 35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. 37 These are the feasts of the LORD,
If Christians celebrate Christmas and Easters, why dont they try the Feasts of the Lord?
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RE: Succoth? - 10/13/2008 9:19:16 PM
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Apparently, Succoth (Feast of Tabernacles) is coming up. A family at my church is planning a Succoth celebration at their home and have invited me.
Do/Should Christians celebrate Succoth? What would be the significance of Christians celebrating a Jewish holiday?
I understand what Succoth is, but just have never known anyone (Gentile) that celebrates it and have never thought of it myself.
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Ashkara! Peter, of course you have to go.Thats a gentile for you- there are gonna be free good drinks,good food and hopefully, unless they are absolutely uptight boneheads, incredible fun and great socialising , and he is still deliberating if he should go? 
Go, brother, enjoy yourself!
I dont see why Christians have to celebrate it but why not, good idea, it's totally cool thing. Especially if you have kids, that sounds like a project for next year's , go to IKEA, get some plywood, go get some branches juniors are gonna remember it forever. I did it for (with) the neighborhood kids last year, now they nagged me again. We made the sukkah pretty sturdy, then some teens hovered it away to their yard to use as a retreat from annoying parents. Still standing.
The holiday is only as good as we make it - the joy is all in the mind of the beholder. but has great spiritual significance if you do take time to mediatate on it and spend time with friends. America can surely use an extra holiday right about now :))
If you wish to debate the issue, dont make trouble here, relocate to Keep the Law thread. Dont forget to bring the ammunition and a few hand granades :)
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 9:59:26 AM
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i much rather celebrate a festival ordained by the Lord himself than the ones honoured by the world.
Lev 23
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons
33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. 35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. 37 These are the feasts of the LORD,
If Christians celebrate Christmas and Easters, why dont they try the Feasts of the Lord?
I guess being obedient to that passage might ring some folk's bell, but aren't they going to get into trouble sacrificing and burning animals.
If I were a practicing Jew then yes I would probably do Succoth, but since I am a Christian I just think I will pass.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 2:57:21 PM
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Lev 23
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations (miqra-something called out, assembly, REHEARSAL), which ye shall proclaim in their seasons
33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. 35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. 37 These are the feasts of the LORD,
If Christians celebrate Christmas and Easters, why dont they try the Feasts of the Lord?
Parenthesis mine.
It would be a wonderful thing to observe and I'd do a further indepth study on it from a hebraic prophetic perspective if I were in your shoes...It'll bless you tremendously.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 3:33:53 PM
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It sounds pretty cool to me :)
It's not really a religious conflict, as Jewish holidays were created to point to Jesus anyway, in honor of the same God, and in remembrance of stories we can find in our own Old Testament.
So, it might be fun to go, learn about Jewish heritage, that sort of thing. I don't think celebrating Jewish feasts is a requirement for Christians, but it could be fun and interesting.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 3:36:50 PM
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BTW, Zechariah 14:16-20, declares that all nations will go up to Jerusalem to keep the Feast of Succoth...
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 3:52:39 PM
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I guess being obedient to that passage might ring some folk's bell, but aren't they going to get into trouble sacrificing and burning animals.
If I were a practicing Jew then yes I would probably do Succoth, but since I am a Christian I just think I will pass.
Thsnks
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You'll pass, but not without making a critical comment to which you know no one is permitted to adequantely respond. Very christian of you.
Being a follower of the Messiah, I enjoy empathising with Myrium(Mary) and Joseph as they spent the first week of The Messiah's life in a temporary dwelling at this time.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 7:30:11 PM
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You'll pass, but not without making a critical comment to which you know no one is permitted to adequantely respond. Very christian of you....
I pass on the feast and presented a valid point about sacrifices and keeping the feast includes such, if you care to respond please do so.
Snide comments just won't get it done.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/14/2008 7:48:29 PM
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You'll pass, but not without making a critical comment to which you know no one is permitted to adequantely respond. Very christian of you....
I pass on the feast and presented a valid point about sacrifices and keeping the feast includes such, if you care to respond please do so.
Snide comments just won't get it done.
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Ok. We(including you) have discussed the fact that those who keep the feasts do not make sacrifices because there is no temple. So, to introduce that issue is just dragging us into other threads. Also, your reasoning regarding not keeping Sukkot appears to be saying only Jews keep it and anyone who calls themselves a christian does not. I guess, snide is in the eye of the beholder.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 8:56:19 AM
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Ok. We(including you) have discussed the fact that those who keep the feasts do not make sacrifices because there is no temple. So, to introduce that issue is just dragging us into other threads. Also, your reasoning regarding not keeping Sukkot appears to be saying only Jews keep it and anyone who calls themselves a christian does not. I guess, snide is in the eye of the beholder.
I am not an expert on Judaism, but keeping the feast would seem to be a mandate for them. But of course Sacrifices were also.
If a Jew does not accept the sacrifice of Christ, then ignoring God's commands in the Old Testament just does not seem to be aprapos.
But for Christians the New Testament tells us;
(Col 2:16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
So I do not judge those that want to do Succoth or any other feast or day., I just hope that those that do Succoth do not think that it somehow is a sacrement of being a Christian.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 9:00:16 AM
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We(including you) have discussed the fact that those who keep the feasts do not make sacrifices because there is no temple...
No, it was because, like the old feasts, Jesus fulfilled, completed, made an end to sacrifices by His shed blood. He is the completion of sacrifices, ceremonies, and all shadows of Himself from the Old, superseded Covenant with ancient Israel.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 9:04:46 AM
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Not to be disagreeable RC, because I typically agree with most of your posts I have read over the last couple of years ... but Paul made sacrifices after Christ's death. Perhaps it might be inappropriate to sacrifice at Yom Kippur, since Jesus was our atonement, but other "offerings" are not otherwise prohibited and are even performed by apostles. The histories even suggest that the Passover sacrifice continued for quite some time. We celebrate Easter now, but the earliest church celebrated Passover, and they couldn't do that without a sacrifice back then.
Since we, the gentiles, have been grafted into the tree, we too are Jews by extension. Contrary to that nasty replacement theology where Christians supposedly replaced the Jews as the chosen people, we have actually become a part of them according to Paul.
So if we are all Jews, and sacrifices have not been explicitly prohibited, excepting only those that might be offensive in light of Christ's sacrifice or those required to be made in the temple itself (which no longer exists, except as the body of believers), then keeping the feast (with or without the allowable sacrifices) seems harmless enough to me. In fact, it even strikes me as a great learning opportunity if those participating in it take advantage of it.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 9:53:55 AM
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Not to be disagreeable RC, because I typically agree with most of your posts I have read over the last couple of years ... but Paul made sacrifices after Christ's death. Perhaps it might be inappropriate to sacrifice at Yom Kippur, since Jesus was our atonement, but other "offerings" are not otherwise prohibited and are even performed by apostles. The histories even suggest that the Passover sacrifice continued for quite some time. We celebrate Easter now, but the earliest church celebrated Passover, and they couldn't do that without a sacrifice back then.
Since we, the gentiles, have been grafted into the tree, we too are Jews by extension. Contrary to that nasty replacement theology where Christians supposedly replaced the Jews as the chosen people, we have actually become a part of them according to Paul.
So if we are all Jews, and sacrifices have not been explicitly prohibited, excepting only those that might be offensive in light of Christ's sacrifice or those required to be made in the temple itself (which no longer exists, except as the body of believers), then keeping the feast (with or without the allowable sacrifices) seems harmless enough to me. In fact, it even strikes me as a great learning opportunity if those participating in it take advantage of it.
Point well taken Theo.
As a learning experience it would be one thing, but as a Spiritual or Christian Sacriment then it becomes quite another.
As I watch more and more Christian Churches do things like blow a shafar, men wearing the little beanie thingy on their heads, wearing prayer shawls, keeping feast ((but not fully as described in the OT), etc; I just get the feeling that the 'Judaizeers" are still among us.
That by emulating the ourward trappings of Judaism that somehow bring us closer to Christ is just plain disconcerting to me.
The Passover is to celebrate the substitutionary sacrifice of a lanb, as Christians we take the Lord's Supper to celebrate the sacrafice of the 'Real" lamb Christ Jesus.
As Christians we have forgiveness of sins through Christ, so I see not need to try and atone for those sins.
Now folks can certainly do as they wish, but as for me and mine; Baptism, Communion, and foot washings as disignated in the New Testament will suffice.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 10:01:17 AM
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Not to be disagreeable RC, because I typically agree with most of your posts I have read over the last couple of years ... but Paul made sacrifices after Christ's death...
Please excuse my memory, but I only recall Paul taking a vow after his conversion but not him making a blood sacrifice. Can you refresh my memory where he made a blood sacrifice?
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 10:08:55 AM
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An admittedly quick search of Acts revealed no instance of Paul making a sacrifice and only the following vow, with no mention of sacrifices, certainly not at the Temple because he was on a missionary journey:
And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
-Acts 18:18
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 11:57:33 AM
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The holiday is only as good as we make it - the joy is all in the mind of the beholder. but has great spiritual significance if you do take time to mediatate on it and spend time with friends. America can surely use an extra holiday right about now :))
In the eye of the beholder indeed.
We have, but not this year, done the feasts.
It was a great learning curve. Not only in the
culture of the first century, etc. but to get more
impactual understanding of what it all pointed to.
To automatically be against it seems to be a bit anti-semitic to me.
But, I've done enough research to have a fuller understanding.
Since our foundation is "Judeao-Christian", I would be more in favor
of "The appointments (feasts) of the Lord" than the christianized pagan
appointments (holidays).
We don't "have to" keep them, but it is permissable and rewarding to do so.
It's in the intent. Do I do it to "live" the scriptures, or do it as "sacraments."
Blowing the shofar and waving banners misses the point in most cases.
But what flavor the church has in it's roots instead of being a Constantine church.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 12:19:34 PM
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Counting the votes
So the verdict, brethren and sistren, so far: we go for democracy in this issue,nobody has to, but those Christians who want to celebrate, free do it! It is fun and have great significance.
Rabbis (always a weird plural form to me, it would be like "foots" or "feets" to American ear :) seem to disagree on what the Sukkah signifies, well they disagree on everything :), but the best point, is that we have to shed the dangerous illusion that having "the roof above your head" makes you protected. Roof is just branches with leaves, they cant even save from the rain.
Jesus, our Lord,is who gives us protection
In the time of crashing markets, that is a good thought to ponder on, isn’t it?
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Sukkot Traditions
RECIPES
Now we talking !RECIPES. Oh, Lap you dont ever dissapoint.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 12:21:44 PM
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Peter, friend, may we kindly ask for a field report? What did you eat, how did it go and have you enjoyed it?
I will post some interesting Israeli things and thoughts to ponder later as well..
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An admittedly quick search of Acts revealed no instance of Paul making a sacrifice and only the following vow, with no mention of sacrifices, certainly not at the Temple because he was on a missionary journey:
And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
-Acts 18:18
Amen, Jimbo, very valuable point, pertaining to the issue here
Paul always showed that he is not some kind of crazy rebellious nutzoid that teaches people to disobey the Mosaic laws and tradition, but proving a great truth that one can do what he wants, its not binding either way anymore.
We can celebrate or not,do sabbat-ing or not, eat piggies or veggies only, what matters is “the new creature”..
And that was nice and un-vain for him to do, btw. Only black men looks drop dead handsome with shavedhead. Jewish men, as well white boys don’t look good with totally shaved head, tell you and I should know, usually look like a ear of corn, ready for the grill.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 12:26:27 PM
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As I watch more and more Christian Churches do things like blow a shafar, men wearing the little beanie thingy on their heads, wearing prayer shawls, keeping feast ((but not fully as described in the OT), etc; I just get the feeling that the 'Judaizeers" are still among us.
I think RC, its just a fashionable thing to do for many... Comes and goes, like WWJD bracelets, and various religious junk that has significance, for is worn for "style" and "show off" by most..
Prayer shawl helps to hide the beer gut. Thats a scentific fact.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 12:46:20 PM
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LOL.
I've always gone into my "prayer closet."
Before I bought a prayer shawl, it was my army jacket.
And it does do something for the experience. lol.
I have a "possible" receding hair line, but not bald.
My dad died with hair, so hopefully I will be translated
with hair in tact. lol.
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 1:44:45 PM
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may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of
Egypt. I am the LORD your God” (Leviticus 23:42-43).
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RE: Succoth? - 10/15/2008 2:26:03 PM
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Eight days after his birth, in accordance with the Law of Moses, Jesus was circumcised on the Last Great Day, another holy day of God (Lev. 23:36).
LUKE 2:21 And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the child, His name was called JESUS, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. (NKJV)
The truth of Jesus' birth is much greater than the pagan celebration that has been appropriated for his supposed honor. This truth reaffirms the need to keep God's Holy Days (listed in Lev. 23) in order to better understand His plan for mankind.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!!!!!!!!!
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