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Views from outside the USA - 7/16/2008 3:18:44 PM
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Lapidoth
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What are the honest views of the american/pop-culture/gospel?
From outside the USA.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/16/2008 4:23:43 PM
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Passive , centered , commercial and to me personally ( I'm from Angola , West Africa and I'm a teenager ) when I went into the church's youth service it was too modern or post modern influenced for me ... talking about everyday issues and laughing ( jokes , etc ) ... it's not bad and they are very good people but I felt an emptiness and a void of the Word of God and the Holy Spirit ( but I have also met some churches whom are good , balanced and are the very example of how Christ's church should be ) and then there are those churches whom are too extreme and everything is on works , works , works , etc ... I wanted to hear the Bible truly ... I know that this doesn't make sense and maybe I'm too mean but that's how I feel sometimes
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/16/2008 4:50:12 PM
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Passive , centered , commercial and to me personally ( I'm from Angola , West Africa and I'm a teenager ) when I went into the church's youth service it was too modern or post modern influenced for me ... talking about everyday issues and laughing ( jokes , etc ) ... it's not bad and they are very good people but I felt an emptiness and a void of the Word of God and the Holy Spirit ( but I have also met some churches whom are good , balanced and are the very example of how Christ's church should be ) and then there are those churches whom are too extreme and everything is on works , works , works , etc ... I wanted to hear the Bible truly ... I know that this doesn't make sense and maybe I'm too mean but that's how I feel sometimes
I am in the US, and I think that is an adequate judgment of them.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/16/2008 11:00:30 PM
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It reflects on the secular strength of the American culture, marketability......
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/17/2008 10:15:46 AM
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Well in Brazil, my mother-in-law is able to spend time at church daily, attending a bible study or prayer meeting or something every day. In the US it is far less. I think in the US we get way caught up in the self-seeking and own kingdom building versus surrender to God.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/17/2008 11:23:23 AM
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My best friend went to India for missionary. Based on the information that I gathered from him, most Americans would be humbled and humiliated if they saw how Christians overseas were worshiping and walking with God.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/17/2008 1:36:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: VJDTropical
Passive , centered , commercial and to me personally ( I'm from Angola , West Africa and I'm a teenager ) when I went into the church's youth service it was too modern or post modern influenced for me ... talking about everyday issues and laughing ( jokes , etc ) ... it's not bad and they are very good people but I felt an emptiness and a void of the Word of God and the Holy Spirit ( but I have also met some churches whom are good , balanced and are the very example of how Christ's church should be ) and then there are those churches whom are too extreme and everything is on works , works , works , etc ... I wanted to hear the Bible truly ... I know that this doesn't make sense and maybe I'm too mean but that's how I feel sometimes
Just what I was asking for. To the point, honest, and not "mean" at all.
I am saddened in the difference in our churches in the last 50 years.
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My best friend went to India for missionary. From the information that I gathered from his experience, most Americans would be humbled and humiliated if they saw how Christians oversees were worshiping and walking with God.
Many times I am humbled watching those outside the US in their worship.
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Well in Brazil, my mother-in-law is able to spend time at church daily, attending a bible study or prayer meeting or something every day. In the US it is far less. I think in the US we get way caught up in the self-seeking and own kingdom building versus surrender to God.
Here, we have done what we can to do the same.
We start every morning with at least 2 hours of prayer and real Bible Study.
Verse-by-verse and stopping and digging when needed. It truly makes a difference
in the day, especially if we miss a day.
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Most Americans will not believe how much "Americanism" has been woven into the acceptable way to "do" Christianity.
It's been my experience as well to notice that much of the "missionary" trips are more
on the line of spreading a church "doctrine" than the gospel.
Thanks
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/18/2008 1:22:43 PM
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There are places in both Haiti and South America where interaction with American Christians is *highly* discouraged, due to the perception (real and imagined) that American Christians...aren't, and that their influence will corrupt the local Christians. 
I am sure it is the same in amny other countries, as well.
I can easily understand that when you look at what they teach when
they go over seas and how they act at home and abroad.
Sometimes I have that attitude here myself. lol.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/27/2008 5:59:34 PM
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I don't know if it helps but I have this link below ( even though I don't visit the website much ) ... it speaks what is coming from my heart right now and what I have seen in the USA today
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/Grady_Hagan_Prosperity.aspx
Not to mention please pray and interceed for Christians overseas or from non Western countries ... this heretical teaching ( in the link above ) and many others are spreading to Central and South America , Asia and here in Africa ... I'm afraid that it will poison the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( Yeshua ) and ruin the spiritual health of millions of Christians ... I myself was entranched in these heresies and watched TBN ( Trinity Broadcasting Network ) all of the time ... the difference is that I and many other Christians overseas ( as well as some in the USA ) have a heart for God ... fear ... God is the first and only authority as well as the Bible ... we want to follow Biblical Christianity and put him first ... our first love ... when I became 14 I started to sense that something was wrong ... they started to literally describe God ( Yahweh ) physically ... they said that we can force or command God to do our will ... that Jesus Christ was " born again " in Hell ... that the very Gospel ( Salvation , redemption , repentance , mercy , death of sin , turning away from sin , the love of God ) was also concentrated on " seed " ... that if we give that God must give back or that this was the very purpose of giving ... that we are " gods " ... please pray for us ... God bless you and may he keep you as well
http://www.christianstandard.com/articledisplay.asp?id=597
http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=7460
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/july/12.22.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/140-prosperity-doctrine
http://www.eternallifeministries.org/lrs_gospel2.htm
This video is made by an American Christian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukcV-xtU3hc
Please , please pray for us ... Have a nice day
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/28/2008 12:34:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: VJDTropical
I don't know if it helps but I have this link below ( even though I don't visit the website much ) ... it speaks what is coming from my heart right now and what I have seen in the USA today
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/Grady_Hagan_Prosperity.aspx
Not to mention please pray and interceed for Christians overseas or from non Western countries ... this heretical teaching ( in the link above ) and many others are spreading to Central and South America , Asia and here in Africa ... I'm afraid that it will poison the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( Yeshua ) and ruin the spiritual health of millions of Christians ... I myself was entranched in these heresies and watched TBN ( Trinity Broadcasting Network ) all of the time ... the difference is that I and many other Christians overseas ( as well as some in the USA ) have a heart for God ... fear ... God is the first and only authority as well as the Bible ... we want to follow Biblical Christianity and put him first ... our first love ... when I became 14 I started to sense that something was wrong ... they started to literally describe God ( Yahweh ) physically ... they said that we can force or command God to do our will ... that Jesus Christ was " born again " in Hell ... that the very Gospel ( Salvation , redemption , repentance , mercy , death of sin , turning away from sin , the love of God ) was also concentrated on " seed " ... that if we give that God must give back or that this was the very purpose of giving ... that we are " gods " ... please pray for us ... God bless you and may he keep you as well
http://www.christianstandard.com/articledisplay.asp?id=597
http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=7460
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/july/12.22.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/140-prosperity-doctrine
http://www.eternallifeministries.org/lrs_gospel2.htm
This video is made by an American Christian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukcV-xtU3hc
Please , please pray for us ... Have a nice day
Thanks for the links, Trop. I didn't know that Hagin rebuked many of the WOFers near the end of his life. I try and be as objective as possible and this does put a new impression of him on me. I'll post it in the KH thread. God bless.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/28/2008 9:46:45 AM
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I wonder if anyone else has had this experience. I find more hostility to the Gospel in the United States from the unsaved than I have from the unsaved in other countries. In Europe you often find boredom and condescension, but usually polite disinterest. Africans and South Americans I have found to be willing to listen and consider, even if disinterested, usually polite and courteous.
My wife and I were in Tahiti once and a man from New Zealand came up to us and asked if we were Americans. I said yes and then he asked if we were Christian. I answered yes also. He said that his experience was that American women were loud and obnoxious in public and since my wife wasn't that we were probably not Americans. He though a possible exception would be that if we were Christian. It was interesting to get that kind of feedback.
I was wondering if Americans seem more loud, obnoxious, and self-centered just because we give voice to the evil in our heart without regard to consequence or the effect on others, or if there is something in fact more hard in the hearts of Americans that makes us indeed more unpleasant.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/28/2008 12:28:00 PM
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I've gotta be honest, I'm not too fond of this thread topic. It can quickly devolve into America bashing, which has become a favorite past time of the world. This topic is about as relevant as posting on an engineering forum and asking people what the think about Slovenian engineers. Christians are Christians throughout the world; issues and sin aren't exclusive to America or any other country. I could turn the tables and start a forum about British and Canadian Christians and how they seem permissive and almost flippant about abortion and homosexuality. I read the other forums a lot, namely morality and ethics and current events and those two issues seem not to be a big deal to Canadians and Brits, namely because of the influence of their socialist media.
Christians are Christians everywhere and if the Christian leaders of any country are banning Americans from there presence then they are in sin of discrimination. This whole thing is silly.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/28/2008 2:45:44 PM
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You are right that it could be a bash america thread.
But my interest is in the "honest" viewpoints of those outside the US
of the type "gospel" presented to them.
It's also true everywhere because the same twisted gospel(s) are
being introduced globally. Socialism, Communism, Liberlism, etc. etc.
True christians will stand out as tim said his wife stood out.
Do we really have a heart for the lost and seek those lost, or just
in promoting our ideas and schemes of things.
TBN is the worst example of spreading the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Yes, it's mixed in there somewhere (sometimes), but the mix is bad.
The Todd Bentley'ism has come to Florida from Canada and they plan
to expand to the globe itself.
It's the same battle where we go. The Gospel, or the doctrines of demons.
I was just curious what view points those outside have.
Glad to know that when they do get the opportunity to come here they find
that we have been misrepresented.
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RE: Views from outside the USA - 7/28/2008 3:17:13 PM
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Sonrise
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You are right that it could be a bash america thread.
But my interest is in the "honest" viewpoints of those outside the US
of the type "gospel" presented to them.
It's also true everywhere because the same twisted gospel(s) are
being introduced globally. Socialism, Communism, Liberlism, etc. etc.
True christians will stand out as tim said his wife stood out.
Do we really have a heart for the lost and seek those lost, or just
in promoting our ideas and schemes of things.
TBN is the worst example of spreading the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Yes, it's mixed in there somewhere (sometimes), but the mix is bad.
The Todd Bentley'ism has come to Florida from Canada and they plan
to expand to the globe itself.
It's the same battle where we go. The Gospel, or the doctrines of demons.
I was just curious what view points those outside have.
Glad to know that when they do get the opportunity to come here they find
that we have been misrepresented.
I agree, but my point is; wouldn't it be better if we weren't misrepresented at all? Christians in America are no different then Christians in Uzbekistan, we all at times struggle with our "issues".
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Your other points are actually an indictment on your horrible far-left tabloid media. I'm a political junkie and the British press especially has an agenda to humiliate Bush and America in general. There are tons of anecdotes of Europeans coming over to the States and shocked to learn that everything they were indoctrinated with is a lie. Anyone who thinks that Fred Phelps is indicative of Christians in America isn't a Christian to begin with and not smart enough to relize that something is seriously wrong with him.
