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cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/28/2008 2:28:48 PM   
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so, not that anyone WANTS to have experience in this area, but I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to do it all.

So far I have tried a few different cleaners, but none are very very good at getting the soot and stuff off the walls and ceiling. I mean, I know it's going to take effort, but some of the stuff we've tried just moves it all around, and doesn't clean it at all.

We tried:
spic&span: didn't even touch the stuff
chlorox wipes: just moved some of the soot around
joy dishsoap: it's reaaaaaaaaaaaalllly hard to work hard enough to get stuff off with it

stuff we just bought to try:
magic erasers: haven't tried them just yet, but I know they've worked on other things in the past
fantastic: I wanted 409 but they were sold out, and this is the "heavy duty" fantastic. It works, but we are having to go over things about 6 - 8 times to get it to look somewhat clean

Our areas that need to be cleaned:

ceiling has tons of soot in the kitchen
walls in kitchen and dining and partially in living room has soot
top of refrigerator (well, that came pretty clean using the fantastic)
top of cabinets/wall behind top of cabinets (reaching is VERY difficult)
countertops
plastic storage containers
microwave oven top

Here's a question:
when we discharged the fire extinguisher it discharged and did a wonderful job, but how do we go about getting the chemical-dust-like-almost-fine-sand stuff off of everything.

this is :
all throughout my utensils... should be ok in the dishwasher, no?
all over/ inside my toaster... should we just buy a new one or can I clean it?

Basically, if you've ever cleaned up after a fire and have any tips or anything, please help!

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/28/2008 6:01:00 PM   
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There is a paint called Kilz that's supposed to cover soot stains.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/28/2008 7:28:42 PM   
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THIS site says dry removal is the only way to do it. When you add liquid to soot, it creates stains.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/28/2008 7:56:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shawke

THIS site says dry removal is the only way to do it. When you add liquid to soot, it creates stains.


Except that's for fireplace type soot, which is different than grease fire soot.

http://home.ivillage.com/cleanandorganize/cleaning/0,,7245,00.html

That link says a starch/water mixture or baking soda and water, depending on the surface.


http://www.ehow.com/how_2313138_clean-up-after-grease-fire.html

That link says the same thing. Both also mention Spic & Span.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/29/2008 5:40:14 AM   
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oh wow.....so what's the story that led to this one Gina?

ok...unfortunately I have experience here because of my niece.....

toaster...I would toss it...you will never get it all cleaned out.

powder on things...I would hand wash then dishwasher everything you can. as someone else said, we used baking soda and found it to be the easiest to get it all cleaned off of things with.

walls/ceiling...like someone else said, you will have to repaint unfortunately. I would also recommend Kilz...it's more expensive then most other primers, but it's about the only thing I know that would cover it all without eventual bleed through


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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/29/2008 9:57:06 AM   
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well, it's an apartment, so us painting with a specific paint is out. We can suggest, but in the end, they do what they are going to do as far as painting.

as to cleaning, well, we can do whatever works. David has discovered that a (clean, never used for it's intended purpose) toilet brush gets the ceiling looking pretty good. It may get it clean, it's hard to say. (it's popcorn type of ceiling). The walls were painted with a paint that you can wash fairly easily, it's just a matter of getting the stuff off of it, and getting it to look fairly clean.

We decided, or rather I did, that it was too much work to start in the kitchen, so we started in the living room after attempting a small area of the kitchen. I just cried and cried while trying to clean the kitchen. So, anyway, the living room ceiling looks pretty good, it wasn't nearly as sooty as the other areas. The only room that looked better was the bedroom. We vacuumed the couches, I cleaned the bathroom top to bottom, we cleaned the ceiling fan, then I cleaned the coffee table. Now I have to clean the knick-knacks and shelves that they are sitting on, and then the book shelves/books, and the 2 end tables. David cleaned the computer area. Once everything else is done, that leaves just the curtain and the carpet. I really don't want to take down the curtain, but I'm still contemplating that.

David's family, some of them anyway, have volunteered that they would like to come help us clean up. His poor sister. She called all happy and just wanted to invite us to do something with them tomorrow. She said, "Hey, it's me! =) How's everything going there?" She had no idea we'd had a fire yet, and I just started crying and I said, "not very good." She then sounded serious instead of happy, and she said, "oh no, what happened? What's going on?" Then I told her about the fire, and the damage. Then she said, "well, do you need help or anything?" I said, "well, if you want to come help, I won't say no." She said she'd like to come help then. She wanted to come yesterday but her car was acting up, and her husband works "odd" hours, and he was sleeping, and so someone had to watch the kids. So, they are planning on coming over today. She called one of their brothers, and he said that he might come today too. I'm sort of thrilled with the idea that someone might come to help us.

We had to eat out for dinner Friday night, all 3 meals yesterday, and now I'm looking at today wondering what we're gonna do. The inside of the dishwasher, microwave and refrigerator are about the only clean things in the kitchen. I'm thinking about going out to get something for breakfast, but I'm sick of eating out already.

The story?
I'll post it in a minute. =)
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 6/29/2008 10:12:52 AM   
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I was in the shower.
David was preparing to cook something for dinner. He decided to heat up some oil in a small pan, and he looked away for a minute or two. He looked back to find flames licking the hood of the stove, and he grabbed the fire extinguisher and extinguished the flames. He then walked to the bedroom, and to my bathroom where I was showering... opened the curtain, which scared me half to death, I gasped/screamed and dropped my razor.
He said, "oh, sorry. I did something dumb"
I look at him and he's looking a bit "funny", and he's holding a fire extinguisher in his hand.
I said, "what did you do?"
He said, "I was getting the oil ready to cook dinner, and looked away for a minute or two. I looked back and there were flames. I had to put it out with the extinguisher"
I said, "was there any damage?" (Very calmly, and very unlike my usual demeanor for accidents where something of mine is ruined)
He said, "no, nothing damaged, just lots of smoke, and the smoke alarm is going off. Finish your shower."
I said, "ok...."
he said, "I just wanted to tell you so that you didn't panic if you heard the smoke detector going off."
I said, "ok"
and went back to rinsing off.

Then the smoke detector in the bedroom starts going off. I finished my shower quickly. I peek out of the bedroom, and there is enough smoke in the hallway so that I can only see about 5 feet, which isn't even half way. The smell was horrible.

I quickly put on some clothes, and went next door and asked if we could come hang out there for a little bit until the smoke cleared. (they are friends of ours) They agreed, and we just hung out there for the rest of the evening until about bedtime.

Then I went back and looked at the damage.... and cried.

David was covered in soot, and he did burn (a minor burn) his thumb, and he was breathing rather heavily for a while... but he was ok.
I really didn't experience much of it at all, since we also have a door to the outside from our bedroom, I just went out that door.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/2/2008 12:27:40 PM   
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quote:

SMOKE & FIRE DAMAGE

CLOTHING: Do not send smoke damaged garments to an ordinary dry cleaner--improper cleaning may set smoke and odor. What seems to be an ever-lingering odor can often be washed from clothing. A tested recipe for clothing that can be bleached is as follows:

*4 to 6 tablespoons tri-sodium phosphate
1 cup Lysol or household chlorine bleach
1 gallon water
Mix well, add clothes, rinse with clear water and dry. Test colored garments
before using any treatment .
(*2 tablespoons sodium hypochlorite can be used as a substitute.)

Mildew is removable by washing the stain with soap and water, rinsing and drying in the sun. If the stain is difficult to erase, try lemon juice and salt; one tablespoon pesborate bleach to one pint lukewarm water; or a diluted solution of household chlorine bleach.

WALLS & CEILINGS: Allow soot to dry in place for a minimum of twenty four (24) hours before attempting clean-up. Use the same formula as listed above under Clothing. Wear rubber gloves and wash the walls, rinse with clean water, and allow to dry. Commercial products are available from wallpaper dealers. Washable papers can be washed in the same manner as walls--work from bottom to top and avoid soaking the paper to prevent streaking. Clean ceilings last. Allow ample drying time before repainting.

FLOORS & RUGS: Linoleum must be handled delicately. When water seeps underneath, it can cause odors and warp wood floors. A flooring dealer should be consulted. Rugs should be removed, cleaned and dried. Carpets should have all excess water removed, cleaned, and dried. If odor persists, the padding may have to be replaced.

WOOD: Specific steps are necessary to repair wood furniture or fixtures

1. Clear off mud or dirt.
2. Remove drawers and let dry thoroughly.
3. Scrub with stiff brush and cleaning solution.
4. Wet wood decays and molds easily. Ventilate the room or turn on furnace or air conditioner to dry thoroughly.
5. Moldy furniture should be wiped with a cloth soaked in a mixture of water and kerosene or borax dissolved in hot water.
6. Never dry furniture in the sun.
7. To remove white spots or film, rub the wood surface with 4/0 steel polishing wool pad dipped in liquid wax. Wipe with a soft cloth and buff.

Many of the cleaning and reconditioning solutions used with wood are flammable, please use with caution and read directions carefully.

FOOD: Do not use exposed food items or canned goods which have to be subjected to excessive heat.

MISCELLANEOUS:

1. Change furnace filter if blower is not operational.
2. Clean and protect chrome trim on kitchen appliances and bathroom fixtures with Vaseline or other oil.
3. Wash plants with water on both sides of leaves.
4. Do not operate any video equipment, television, computer, or appliance until it has been checked for damage and cleaned. If a dry power fire extinguisher was used, vacuum all these items as soon as possible.
5. Empty freezer and refrigerator completely if electricity is off, and prop doors open with a rolled towel or newspaper.
6. Pour anti-freeze in toilet bowls, sinks and tubs to prevent freezing if heat is off in winter.
7. If heat is off in winter, call plumber to drain heating system.
8. Remove pets (especially birds) to clean environments.


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(((Gina)))
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/2/2008 12:51:24 PM   
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Thanks for all the info Yolanda.

I swear I've just about bought every cleaner available... except for a few that scared me! =) I looked at regular TSP, but the store clerk said that they use the substitute at the store for cleanup of major things, and it worked well, and it's much less "dangerous" than the regular. So, I bought the substitute.

I found these sponge/cloth thingys that work wonderfully well on the walls, and the walls in the dining area should be ok with just the washing. The ceiling I haven't figured out where the "line" of smoke / soot damage starts. I've tested a few places, and yet I need to test more to try to figure it out. If it's a small enough area (like just along the wall) we may just clean it and leave it at that. Then they will paint the kitchen area only. The kitchen definitely does need to be painted. Cleaning and moving absolutely everything out of there is a monumental task.

Imagine not just moving out of your kitchen area, but having to wash everything first. All that on a sudden notice.

The clothing wasn't badly damaged or anything, just a faint layer of soot was on them. I've just been washing them in Tide, like normal. They seem to be doing ok with that. The only thing that concerns me, that I cannot wash, is David's suit coat. I guess if I take it to a Dry Cleaner and tell them what happened then maybe they can tell me whether they can clean that or not. Thankfully most of my clothing was put away, but my closet door was opened... and I'm not certain that anything in there was damaged. I plan to test that theory today. I have a swiffer thingy that I'm going to go over the areas of the clothes that are exposed, and see if it picks up anything or makes any difference. If not, I might slowly wash my clothes over the next several days and just work on David's, plus curtains and blankets for now.

I just made a list of everything that still needs to be done, and it's 3 pages long, and that didn't include laundry! or the spare room, where I will definitely need to dust, but I'll do that last.

Friday night it was just David and I, and we only cleaned for a couple hours before bed, since the fire happened around dinner time that night.
Saturday it was just David and I
I had some help on Sunday from David's sister, and of course from David.
Monday I cleaned all day long, and David and a couple from our Sunday School helped on Monday night.
Tuesday I had a friend come help me during the day, and it was just David and I at night.
Wednesday, today... so far I am alone.
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/3/2008 2:59:48 PM   
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How's it going, Gina?

I do know that on almost any big project like this, having someone else around, even just to keep you company, helps.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/3/2008 3:19:29 PM   
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well, yes, I work much better when someone else is here..... but getting others here to help is not easy.

We did have help on Sunday for a couple hours, and then on Monday night. Tuesday during the day. Wednesday I was completely alone until David came home. Today I had a helper for a couple hours, but she's gone now. I have a friend who wants to come help tomorrow... and David should be off tomorrow for the holiday.

We are making a lot of progress, but it's SLOW progress. It takes, it seems, FOREVER just to clean a small area. I'm still doing laundry as well. I do several loads a day, and there's still more to do.

The walls have been washed except for the kitchen area itself, and the laundry area (which is sort of in the kitchen area, behind a small wall)

I was just trying to clean the ceiling. I did a small section, and it went fairly well. It's very difficult though, because it's a popcorn ceiling, and so some of the "popcorn" falls off, but not a ton of it... just enough to be annoying and get all over you, and make you not want to look up. =)
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/3/2008 3:49:07 PM   
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Do you have renter's insurance? If so, or if not and you can afford it, I would invest in a Professional Cleaner. They can be in and out in a flash and will really get everything clean.

So sorry about this,Gina, it must be awful.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/3/2008 6:59:14 PM   
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we do have renters insurance.
We have a deductible though, and so we are trying to do everything ourselves to keep costs as low as possible. It is a pain to clean everything, but... we don't cost as much as "professional cleaners" and believe me, they would NOT be in and out in a flash. I used to work as a "professional" house cleaner for a time, and this is just something that takes a lot of time to get through.
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/3/2008 7:15:52 PM   
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we do have renters insurance.
We have a deductible though, and so we are trying to do everything ourselves to keep costs as low as possible. It is a pain to clean everything, but... we don't cost as much as "professional cleaners" and believe me, they would NOT be in and out in a flash. I used to work as a "professional" house cleaner for a time, and this is just something that takes a lot of time to get through.


I should have said in a flash compared to doing it slowly by yourselves or waiting on others to come help you! They have better/proper equipment and materials and know what works.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/4/2008 10:33:18 AM   
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believe me, I know what works on this at this point. =)
I also know what doesn't work. =)
I've actually known that since Monday.
Everything I've read online talks about people coming in and "power washing" your ceilings and walls. Well, that would create a HUGE mess, and one I wouldn't want to deal with. There was absolutely no water damage, and that could cause water damage. Apart from that idea, I've already tried everything that I've read online... some of it works, and some of it doesn't.

If I had very few belongings, it would not take as long. I like my pretty little things, and knick knacks, and wall decorations... they all take time to clean, and move. I wouldn't want some company coming in to do that. Some of those things may not have cost much originally, but they are priceless to me... and can't be replaced.
Then there is the contents of every cabinet. I would never ever allow anyone else to wash my fine china. I need to wash that as well as everything else. (Pots, pans, plastic storage containers, cups, plates, glasses... you name it...)

I've finally found the best thing to clean the ceiling with too. I was kinda sorta ignoring it for a bit. But, I've found it. =) It's a spongey-scrubby-brush, and (of all things) carpet cleaner mixed with water. Then I wipe it dry, and let it air dry after that. It works great! Just time consuming.

I really do appreciate all the suggestions and such. I would still appreciate more suggestions... for example, one of my friends last night asked if she could bring us some paper plates. It hadn't occurred to me that we could be saving ourselves that cleaning task if we just used paper plates until it's all done. =)
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/4/2008 10:51:40 AM   
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I seriously recommend having the pros come in and clean this. You rent and you don't know what kind of issues they are going to find when you move out. Plus they have the expertise to clean things quickly. These are the same companies that go in and clean up restaurants etc, that have to reopen as soon as possible.
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/4/2008 10:56:23 AM   
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pumpkin

You might find that a lot of the soot damage may have been compounded by the use of the fire extinguisher - so you could contact the manufacturer of the fire extinguisher and ask them what you can use to remove the soot stains. I was always taught to use either a lid or a wrung out wet towel to quench oil fires on the stove - it's scarier, but it makes less mess.

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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/4/2008 11:01:43 AM   
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Thank you for your advice, and opinion.

Cost IS a consideration here. We are trying to keep our costs as low as possible. We are almost done... just a couple more days and everything should be done and hopefully by the end of next week we won't even be able to tell what happened.

We've already had management and maintenance in here. They are NOT worried about us not cleaning stuff to their specifications. There won't be any damage that wasn't found. They will inspect things again before repairs are done, and again after. I am also extremely thorough. We are not worried about them finding something after we move out.
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RE: cleaning up after a grease fire - 7/4/2008 11:20:53 AM   
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House hold ammonia and hot/warm water is a solution mix plus those green 3M scrubbing pads are marvelous. A 3M pad alone with some elbow grease will clean just about any surface of grease, be careful on wood or metal because it will scratch. It cleans tile super well! Test an area with it, they're so cheap, why not? Kilz oil based primer is what we used to cover smoke & water stains on drywall and it'll work on the grease too but I wouldn't want the lumps of grease left on the surface so try and clean that off first. With Kiltz, you MUST wear a gas mask when applying.

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