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To Circ or Not To Circ
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| What is circumcision? |
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 12/4/2006 1:30:15 PM
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DeannasWorld
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My three boys are not circumcised. I believe that is there dicision later in life. I have seen how they circumcise infants and I believe that it is torture to strap a baby to a table and take a knife, use it to cut away a part of there body that has no absolute medical need to at that age. There are exceptions to this rule. Don't get me wrong I am not agenst it, nor am I for it. Actually I probable would have had it done had I not seen how it was done. I agree that parents should be present when it is performed it helps with the consoling.
Now the hospital where my children where born numbs the area before cutting allowing no pain during the procedure. I believe they should have done this sooner. I asked my doctor about this and she said they didn't see the need to numb it considering the infant never remenbered it. If you have it done make sure they numb the area before doing it.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 5:02:48 PM
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 5:42:12 PM
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i am coming late to this topic, but i thought I would add that here in Australia it is uncommon for boys to be circumcised, i think the figures are like 15% or something, at one stage in the 30's i think, it was something like 50%!
I read an article from a news program that said there are no real benefits to it, unless you live in an undeveloped country where disease is rampant.
I wouldn't want to take the risk of my son dying (which has happened because of infections of the wound).
They did mention that only surgeons under anaestethic will now do circ's here in Australia.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 6:00:55 PM
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I'm coming in a bit late to this thread and if I'm going over what has already been said, I'll say it again.
There is NO, repeat, NO medical reason to allow this procedure. It is not required for health or any other good reason, it is clearly a barbaric practice, and socially sanctioned mutilation.
If the guy wants to have the procedure once an adult, that is clearly honoring his choice, not making it for him as a baby.
I fathered four [4] boys into adulthood and none of them have chosen to have their penis mutated as an adult just for vanity or any other reason. My grandchildren follow their fathers all [5] were not circumcised.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 6:05:34 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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If we have boys, they will get circ'ed. We've done enough study to know the decision we're making, and we also know the risks...
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 6:07:10 PM
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I'm coming in a bit late to this thread and if I'm going over what has already been said, I'll say it again.
There is NO, repeat, NO medical reason to allow this procedure. It is not required for health or any other good reason, it is clearly a barbaric practice, and socially sanctioned mutilation.
If the guy wants to have the procedure once an adult, that is clearly honoring his choice, not making it for him as a baby.
I fathered four [4] boys into adulthood and none of them have chosen to have their penis mutated as an adult just for vanity or any other reason. My grandchildren follow their fathers all [5] were not circumcised.
I know you are getting into this late, but can you please back up your comment with research...and by that I do not mean just that all of your family has chosen not to. You make some pretty harsh statements there IMO that need to be backed up
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 9:53:20 PM
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DahBass, you may have found no medical reason for YOUR sons to be circumcised, but I don't think you can make that proclamation for all. I wouldn't say it is required or everyone should do it. It's one of those things each set of parents need to research, PRAY about, and decide for their own children.
My new baby boy will be circed next Monday, in our family doctor's office. I will be there with him the whole time, and will nurse him immediately afterward. Skin numbing agent and local anesthesia will be used. My husband and I have done our research and decided that for our boys this is the best. We have two older boys who had no complications whatsoever from their circs.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/18/2007 10:57:03 PM
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I'm coming in a bit late to this thread and if I'm going over what has already been said, I'll say it again.
There is NO, repeat, NO medical reason to allow this procedure. It is not required for health or any other good reason, it is clearly a barbaric practice, and socially sanctioned mutilation.
If the guy wants to have the procedure once an adult, that is clearly honoring his choice, not making it for him as a baby.
I fathered four [4] boys into adulthood and none of them have chosen to have their penis mutated as an adult just for vanity or any other reason. My grandchildren follow their fathers all [5] were not circumcised.
Tone it down. This is inflammatory speach.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 8:41:03 AM
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W.O.F.
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i am coming late to this topic, but i thought I would add that here in Australia it is uncommon for boys to be circumcised, i think the figures are like 15% or something, at one stage in the 30's i think, it was something like 50%!
I read an article from a news program that said there are no real benefits to it, unless you live in an undeveloped country where disease is rampant.
I wouldn't want to take the risk of my son dying (which has happened because of infections of the wound).
They did mention that only surgeons under anaestethic will now do circ's here in Australia.
I have to say that here in the US...there are no documentated cases of death due to infections following circumscision that were NOT because of parental neglect of care for the penis.....and the rate is the same as that of uncircumcised males for the same reasons due to infection due to parental neglect.....(parents not keeping diapers cleaned, infant not being properly fed or bathed, etc)
Circumcision is a very personal decision..and as such gets very emotional. However, there ARE medical reasons for it, and there are reasons not to.
Each family must research the FACTS, not the emotional hype on both sides, and then prayerfully decide what is best for their family and sons.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 1:40:11 PM
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I would like to say that W.O.F. I like your response. Circumcison is a personal decison. My wife and I have talked about what we will do if we have a son. She is in the medical field and works in Pediatrics as a PA. We talked about whether circumcison is really necessary. I have researched it and unfortunately there is too much hyperbole on both sides.
As a circumcised man I am not suffering from Trauma. However, if the time comes (assuming we have a boy), we are leaning aginst it. But the decision is not final. We know that our families may be against our decision, but it is personal. But in the end, our loved ones will love our son, whether incact or not. Isn't that what it important.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 2:02:02 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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Part of our decision is based on how many family members we have who started out intact, and have had to be circ'ed in their teens, and even their 30's. I dont know if there is any genetic relation, but I would much rather do it when they dont remember it, then later on when it can be possibly traumatic.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 2:58:12 PM
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cynthia
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Part of our decision is based on how many family members we have who started out intact, and have had to be circ'ed in their teens, and even their 30's. I dont know if there is any genetic relation, but I would much rather do it when they dont remember it, then later on when it can be possibly traumatic.
From what I've studied, most boys or men that need to be circumcised due to problems are suffering from the fruit of bad advice. I don't know if doctors in the US are still doing this, but they used to tell parents to clean under the foreskin during diaper changes. This is like pulling the fingernail back to clean under the fingernail. It's likely to cause pain and infection. The foreskin is supposed to be stuck in place and doesn't need to be cleaned under until it disconnects sometime around potty training. It is supposed to be left alone or it can cause all kinds of problems. It is very likely that the reason those boys had problems has nothing whatsoever to do with genetics, but with tampering with the foreskin.
My husband and I looked into this as extensively as possible before we decided not to have our son circumcised. He is seven and hasn't had any problems at all. We never pushed back the foreskin to clean or otherwise. When he got older and it detached, as it eventually is supposed to, we told him to push it back to clean it during his baths.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 3:11:27 PM
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very good point Cynthia. My little brother was a premie so it was not offered at birth and every time my mom would ask the ped he would look at it, yank the skin back, and say it didn't need to be done. She would finally get it healed up and go back for another check-up just to have him do it again. She finally took him to a urologist and the urologist said it needed to be done in his case because of the dr pulling that foreskin back like he did...of course she was leaning towards getting it done anyway, but still...THAT was insane for that dr to do that. The urologist though said that so many have to be done because of what you said up there though...improper pulling back of the foreskin...and of course improper hygeine
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 3:14:53 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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I asked about that, Cynthia and Micah's aunt knew not to pull back the foreskin. Im not quite sure why they did need it done though... I know one of his cousins had chronic UTI's, but I doubt that is caused by lack of circumcision...
The other reason is quite silly, but Micah prefers they "match" him 
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 3:18:28 PM
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we do it for the same reason Ryanne...because I would rather have it done when they are a baby then to have to have it done later in life when they will remember it being done. My mom said when she had my little brother's done the whole waiting room was full of men that the dr said were all there to have it done because they were having problems and had not had it done as a baby. So I would rather do that at a time that they will not have to be traumatized because of it
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/19/2007 4:19:52 PM
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I asked about that, Cynthia and Micah's aunt knew not to pull back the foreskin. Im not quite sure why they did need it done though... I know one of his cousins had chronic UTI's, but I doubt that is caused by lack of circumcision...
Well then it's hard to say what might have caused the problem. As far as the UTI's it seems possible that is the foreskin is not being properly cleaned, in an older boy, that it might harbor bacterial that could cause a UTI, but most often UTI's are probably caused by not drinking enough water.
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The other reason is quite silly, but Micah prefers they "match" him
That is a common reason. I personally think if your husband feels that's important, then he should do what is important to him. When my son asked his dad how come they are different, my husband explained to him why and my son was fine with that. He also expressed joy that we didn't cut anything off unnecessarily. lol
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/20/2007 10:36:39 PM
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W.O.F.
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I asked about that, Cynthia and Micah's aunt knew not to pull back the foreskin. Im not quite sure why they did need it done though... I know one of his cousins had chronic UTI's, but I doubt that is caused by lack of circumcision...
The other reason is quite silly, but Micah prefers they "match" him
Actually, for some men...not being circumcised DOES cause and prolong UTI's...and the only way they can cure them is to perform circumcision....
my dad is one of those cases...had chronic UTI's all through his youth, teens, and adulthood...ending up having 6 kidney stones removed that are the size of marbles from one kidney. The doctors told him to get circ'd and he'd have no more trouble. He put it off a couple more years and a few more UTI's (and yeast infections..yes..HE had the yeast infection..and he is a clean man who followed the hygeine rules explicitly)....got circ'd. nearly 50 years later...he hasn't had a single UTI or yeast infection ....
most people I know do not retract the foreskin on their infant sons..they let it detach on their own. The problem is..there are side effects to both circ'ing and not circ'ing...
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/28/2007 6:58:05 PM
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Newer research also suggests there may be a lowering of the risk og HIV in circumcised males (of course the BEST protection is to be truly monogamous):Circumcision may lower risk of HIV infection
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/7/2008 6:25:34 PM
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I am having a baby boy in June and my DH and I are still trying to decide if we will have him circumcised or not. We will be having a home birth, and if we decide to have him circumcised it will be on the 8th day. I'm not sure if we are supposed to go to his pediatrician or a urologist or what to have it done.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/7/2008 6:36:15 PM
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In the UK, the circumcision rate for babies is just 5-6%. I am not aware of us having a high rate of UTI's or other problems either.
I personally do not see the point of having a medical procedure done that is probably not going to be necessary for the vast majority of boys and carries with it its own risks. There can be mistakes/errors which can be serious in their consequences -and all for an operation that likely wasn't necessary to start with??
I can understand it if there is a family tendency towards problems in that area, but not at all otherwise.
I find it interesting that some people are calling it a personal decision - when actually it's not a personal decision, it's a decision that the parents are taking on behalf of their son which will affect him his whole life.
I also don't understand the argument of the boy looking the same as his father. My dh and ds have never compared their private parts, so why should any other father and son?
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/7/2008 9:02:58 PM
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One thing I'm now realizing is that the Bible talks about cleanliness. You know how Leviticus has all those law, you have to wear a sack cloth if you did this when you were on that, etc? We all know that being clean back then was not as easy as it is today. They didn't have running water and so baths were rare. I think when God commaned the Jews to be circ'd, He must have also had this in mind. If you're not circ'd and not keeping that area clean, then you'll run a higher risk of infection.
When many people TODAY say that "If God thought it was important for the Jews, then it must be important for everyone" I don't really think He meant it was important for everyone. Especially since we're able to stay so clean these days.
I came to realize this after both my boys got circ'd, but I would have just stated my opinion and then let hubby make that descision. He's the one with a weiner.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/7/2008 9:26:57 PM
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I asked my doctor about this and she said they didn't see the need to numb it considering the infant never remenbered it.
Just because they don't remember it, doesn't mean they don't feel the pain at the time. Babies feel pain too.
I do see the reasons for circumcision, but I do think they should numb the pain (and should have long before they did). I also think they should put some numbing lotion on the skin on babies' arms before they give them their shots.
To answer the OP, I'm single without kids, so haven't had to take into account a husband's opinion, but I always figured, that, yes, I would circumcise any sons I had..when I first learned of it as a child, just about everyone in the U.S. did it. I think it is only in recent years that people in the U.S. have been deciding not to do it.
I did go through a stage where I did wonder if that should be a decision the boy should make on his own, but then I always thought I wanted to pierce a baby girl's ears, so I realized that was inconsistent.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/7/2008 11:55:26 PM
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I am having a baby boy in June and my DH and I are still trying to decide if we will have him circumcised or not. We will be having a home birth, and if we decide to have him circumcised it will be on the 8th day. I'm not sure if we are supposed to go to his pediatrician or a urologist or what to have it done.
Emily...we had Jack's ped do it on the 8th day. Just depends on what you are comfortable with and what your ped agrees to. Some peds refer you to a urologist because they themselves don't think it's worth it.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 2/8/2008 7:39:01 AM
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I am having a baby boy in June and my DH and I are still trying to decide if we will have him circumcised or not. We will be having a home birth, and if we decide to have him circumcised it will be on the 8th day. I'm not sure if we are supposed to go to his pediatrician or a urologist or what to have it done.
Just call and see what they want you to do. Our family doctor does them for us in his office, but it's never worked out to be the 8th day. Levi was almost a month old when it was done.
For us, the decision was made mostly because we do not want them to have to have it done when they are older. When I worked at a hospital and had to look up the surgery schedule, I was astounded at how many circumcisions are done on older kids all the way up to 90 year old men! It's a minor thing when they're a baby, but major surgery later on, so we choose minor.
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