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To Circ or Not To Circ
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| What is circumcision? |
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| Did circ and regret it... |
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 1:21:18 PM
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PrincessDonna
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I wasn't willing to risk it for my boys. My husband agreed. There is nothing wrong with that choice either.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 1:33:42 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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I wasn't willing to risk it for my boys. My husband agreed. There is nothing wrong with that choice either.
That's pretty much what we have come to... Not that we have boys, but ya know 
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 1:52:14 PM
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I do not think people who don't circ their boys are bad or wrong. But I do not care for the "we chose not to, and so should everyone else" attitude. This is a personal decision to be made and agreed on by the parents of the child. There is not a right or wrong choice in this matter, IMO. It's not a moral decision. It's a personal one.
Excuse me? It is okay to hold strong opinions on a subject. It’s also okay to think that there are right and wrong decisions, even on matters that are not moral issues. While I don’t think it’s immoral for parents to circumcise their boys, I do think it’s unfair, in most cases. I don’t think those parents are bad people. I know plenty of good parents, you included, who circumcise.
I don’t know that I would call it a personal decision as much as a family matter. It’s not quite the same thing. A family matter impacts the family, not just the one person. If a parent decides to circumcise a son, it permanently impacts that boy. I think that parents ought to be able to make that decision, because I believe that parents need to be free to make serious decisions for their children.
The foreskin was given for a reason. It has nerves and function that were created for the good of man. I think cutting off a useful organ from a child who has no choice in the matter is something that should only be done if there is an obvious need, like a family history. * Although I wouldn't do it for that reason, I can understand that many people would consider it.
I would venture to say that a lot of people have trouble with ingrown toenails. I have heard of many people with ingrown toenails. Perhaps we should remove the toenails of babies, so they won't have to worry about ingrown toenails as adults. After all, ingrown toenails can be very painful, to the point that it makes walking difficult. If we removed all the big toenails of babies, when they didn't even remember it, wouldn't that be much better than having the chance of trouble in the future? I think this pretty much sums up how I feel about it, except that I think a foreskin is a much more serious thing to remove than toenails.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 2:19:26 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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I don't know, Cynthia. But I don't think ingrown toenails are genetic either... ya know? Mostly caused by improperly sizes shoes(or boots in DH's case).
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 2:26:58 PM
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cynthia
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I don't know, Cynthia. But I don't think ingrown toenails are genetic either... ya know? Mostly caused by improperly sizes shoes(or boots in DH's case).
Neither are most problems associated with boys not being circumcised. However, some ingrown toenail problems are genetic due to the shape of the toe and nail. How a person walks can be genetic and can impact whether or not she gets ingrown toenails.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 5:15:53 PM
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PrincessDonna
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The foreskin was given for a reason. It has nerves and function that were created for the good of man. I think cutting off a useful organ from a child who has no choice in the matter is something that should only be done if there is an obvious need, like a family history. * Although I wouldn't do it for that reason, I can understand that many people would consider it.
And...God also told His people to remove the foreskin. We don't do it for religious reasons, but I refuse to think that God would ask His people, Israel, to circ their boys if it was something that was bad for them.
I don't take issue with anyone else's choices and I expect that my choice in this matter will be seen as equally valid. After all, there are medical professionals on both sides of the issue (my doctor happens to fall on the pro-circ side), so it would stand to reason that BOTH choices are valid. Parents need to do their research (which we have) and decide what is best for their boys. What is best for your boy may not be what is best for mine. I'm not going to say my choice is better, I'm going to say my choice is mine.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 6:41:10 PM
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This is an interesting subject, to say the least.
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There is no medical benefit from the procedure, in fact it can have a negative impact on the nerves of that sensitive area if done incorrectly (too tightly).
That just screams, "ouch!". In fact, the mere thought of anything being severed in that area is just... 
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My ds is not circumcised and has not has a single infection during his nearly 19 years.
Likewise. I don't understand the arguments from those who say "circumcised > uncircumcised". If you're taught properly how to remain hygienic, I see no reason why one way would be better than the other. You're going to face issues regardless if you don't take care of yourself. That's just common sense.
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Other parts of both male and female bodies produce bodily fluids to protect those body parts. That doesn’t make them dirty. We normally like to clean off the excess, like with our ears and so forth, but the reason for the production of fluids is to keep the person healthy.
Biologically, the genitals are the cleanest area on your entire anatomy. While our mouth is one of the dirtiest, but we don't seemed too grossed out by that.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 6:50:59 PM
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From what I can find on the net, fewer than 1% of baby boys born in England and Wales are circumcised.
That means that, to the British medical profession, and the British public, circumcision is not considered routinely necessary.
If lots of boys/men in the UK had problems later, the medical profession would have picked up on it and made recommendations for circumcising baby boys.
Even where problems do become evident, such as tightening of the foreskin. circumcision is no longer the only treatment option. Nowadays newer treatments are available such as steroid creams, stretching and preputioplasty.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 7:07:15 PM
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cynthia
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Donna, Although I feel strongly that circumcision is usually a bad idea, that doesn't mean I think less of you or anyone that chooses circumcision. Nor do I think you are causing great harm to your boys. From everything I have seen, you are a wonderful, loving and smart mother.
I do think that the US will eventually stop doing routine circumcision. It is certainly on the decline. When my husband was born, his parents had no choice. It was part of infant care. It can take a long time for physicians to get past that. I would think that younger physicians coming in will be much less likely to recommend it and much more likely to give correct information on properly diaper change/cleaning procedure for baby boys.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 7:37:50 PM
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HomeSpunLady
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We have genetic ingrown toenail problems in my family, what a thing to say  but it took different care, or better care to not get them again. When my father (who gets them all the time, well did until...) taught me how to properly cut them, I stopped getting them. Hubby was the same and is stringent with how he cuts his nails.
Can you relate that to the topic of circumcision?
To be clear, this subject is not ingrown toenails, but ingrown toenails or infant removal of toenails can be discussed in relationship to circumcision. I have no intention of getting this thread off topic.
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Yes, I can, I'm just saying that even if something is genetic it can be overcome with a different approach. I'm sure not always, and I'm sure that it will be harder than the general public, but it can be overcome.
I have a friend whose husband is uncirc'ed (I know this because she told me and I have talked to her about this several times) He did get an infection, but he was put on antibiotics and told how to care for it, he hasn't had any problems later.
One thing that I am thinking of, or at least coming into again and again is that because it is so prevalent in our US history and most men in a Christian community are circ'ed and most mothers have cared for circ'ed boys, no one knows how to care for it! I wonder if it simply becomes easier just to circ then, because it is not the norm. My own MIL recommends I circ this boy simply because boys are dirtier. I dunno, from what I hear and have read, keeping a uncirc'ed penis clean is alot easier than trying to keep a girl clean from poop. KWIM?
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/11/2008 11:15:39 PM
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cynthia
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I dunno, from what I hear and have read, keeping a uncirc'ed penis clean is alot easier than trying to keep a girl clean from poop. KWIM?
Yeah, it's really not a big deal.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/14/2008 7:51:29 PM
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God in all His wisdom instituted circumcision . God sees the whole picture it may have been a sign of separating Jews from gentiles but He also knew that it would help with health cleanliness because germs can gather under that extra skin. I have never heard my husband complain about a loss of sesitivity in that area. God knows what he is doing - just do it.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/14/2008 8:06:33 PM
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God knows what he is doing - just do it.
Yet, He didn't create me circumcised.
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He also knew that it would help with health cleanliness because germs can gather under that extra skin.
Germs and bacteria gather without that small portion of skin, there isn't a significant bacterial difference from an inch of skin.
Again, that area of your body is cleaner than anywhere else on your body. If only people treated their mouths with the same concern as they treat this area.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/14/2008 8:07:34 PM
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We are very happy that we decided not to circ our baby boy.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/14/2008 10:30:07 PM
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cynthia
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God in all His wisdom instituted circumcision . God sees the whole picture it may have been a sign of separating Jews from gentiles but He also knew that it would help with health cleanliness because germs can gather under that extra skin. I have never heard my husband complain about a loss of sesitivity in that area. God knows what he is doing - just do it.
How on earth would your husband know if he had less sensitivity than if he still had the foreskin, unless he was circumcised as an adult?
God also instituted many other laws, such as women being unclean after the birth of a child, longer for girls than for boys. Should we reinstitute that? How about putting people out of the town when they have leprosy? The list could go on and one, but we don’t do those things.
Regarding the risk of infections, I seriously doubt that uncircumcised boys or men have more risk of infection than the average woman does of a bladder or a yeast infection. These are all easily treated and should not be a cause for removing a part that God made for the benefit of man.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 7/15/2008 7:21:38 AM
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God in all His wisdom instituted circumcision . God sees the whole picture it may have been a sign of separating Jews from gentiles Yes He didquote:
but He also knew that it would help with health cleanliness because germs can gather under that extra skin. That is adding your opinion to scripture. The bible says nothing about any health benefits from it. It is ONLY a covenant sign. That is all the bible tells us.quote:
I have never heard my husband complain about a loss of sesitivity in that area. He probably has nothing to compare it to, unless he was circ'd after puberty.
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