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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/7/2007 11:19:27 PM
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I can't for the life of me understand why the term "gay mafia" is allowed on the site. Can you imagine the uproar if someone said "Christian mafia"?
Of course, there is no such thing as a gay mafia. But, if you can make up bad things about a group, demonize them, it makes it much easier to hate them.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/8/2007 12:41:39 AM
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I can't for the life of me understand why the term "gay mafia" is allowed on the site. Can you imagine the uproar if someone said "Christian mafia"?
Of course, there is no such thing as a gay mafia. But, if you can make up bad things about a group, demonize them, it makes it much easier to hate them.
Gay mafia is a term for the militant gay groups that Hillary, Obama, Edwards,Dean,Carter,Jackson, Reid, Pelosi, some of our local, state and federal govt. officials are hemmed in by..and helping to corrupt our values and more importantly poisoning the minds of our youngest people.
It is a powerful lobby and also has many mouth pieces regularaly on the drive by media programs, etc.
Rosie O'Donnell & other kooks are given national stages to flaunt this 2 mommies  type propoganda.
Like I said creeping into our schools and trying to make an abominable lifestyle of gay weddings, etc part of the national norm....will never happen in our life times sorry..but they are making gains.
And Christians, muslims, traditional jews and even recently the Dali Lama have found this life style abnormal.
PS-The ministries that I oversaw at a large natl. Christian agency...and my church before moving to Brooklyn reached out daily to gays, lesbians and transgenders. We never excluded any from dinners, concerts, on & off site shlter events, bus rides, annual picnics and we saw several, not alot but several answer altar calls.
And if any of my staff did exclude any group I would of suspended them or taken other action; or tore up the churches volunteer passes if any of them excluded gays or transgenders.
Several gay clients on a regular basis helped us for example on serving up bbqs out at Wards island for a 1000 client facility and invited other gays to annual Easter,Christmas and other bus rides that churches provided.
Hate the sin and love the sinner..but also hate the poisoning of young minds as noted.
So please don't use hate, that's an inappropriate useage....as I have also many xs publically stated my favorite most encouraging managers in NY happened to be gay or lesbian.
Just because one dislikes Sharpton or Jesse's tactics doesn't make a man of color like me a racist nor anyone else on here that criticizes any type militant tactics.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/10/2007 8:18:28 PM
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Like I said creeping into our schools and trying to make an abominable lifestyle of gay weddings, etc part of the national norm....will never happen in our life times sorry
I disagree (unless you're 75 or so). It seems likely that gay marriage will gradually gain acceptance. Southern states are likely to continue working on ways to either make it very difficult or outright impossible for gays to get married, but, from an objective political standpoint, a U.S. Contstitutional amendment is not out of the question in the next 30 years.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/10/2007 9:02:24 PM
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Like I said creeping into our schools and trying to make an abominable lifestyle of gay weddings, etc part of the national norm....will never happen in our life times sorry
I disagree (unless you're 75 or so). It seems likely that gay marriage will gradually gain acceptance. Southern states are likely to continue working on ways to either make it very difficult or outright impossible for gays to get married, but, from an objective political standpoint, a U.S. Contstitutional amendment is not out of the question in the next 30 years.
The ONLY 75 or so...that's of great importance is that whenever WE THE PEOPLE-black, white,Christan, jew, agnostic,brown,man or woman,etc., etc., etc. can vote as a state matter:
It goes down EVERY single time--sometimes as much as by 70% 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 12:49:11 PM
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The gay mafia has tried to influence the media, etc., & while there may be more acceptability in certain areas like showing a gay character on tv, on film , etc. & trying to insert these abominations like 2 mommies stories into the minds of the very young in our school systems.
It's only a guess.
More & more effective boycotts against gay affirming companies like Ford might slow this down and also if many young people are drawn to Christianity and even Islam there could be growing opposition.
Also, just because it could become more socially acceptable in the US, doesn't mean that it is pleasing to God..nor that he would tolerate it.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 2:23:37 PM
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The ONLY 75 or so...that's of great importance is that whenever WE THE PEOPLE-black, white,Christan, jew, agnostic,brown,man or woman,etc., etc., etc. can vote as a state matter:
It goes down EVERY single time--sometimes as much as by 70%
I have no idea what you're trying to say. I was saying that it's unlikely to happen in the lifetime of an elderly person because that person statistically has under a decade left on average. It was well outside my main point that homosexual marriages are likely to happen in the next 30 years. If not nationally, then certainly throughout many of the more Northern states.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 2:33:12 PM
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Also, just because it could become more socially acceptable in the US, doesn't mean that it is pleasing to God..nor that he would tolerate it.
My point certainly wasn't that homosexuality is okay. In fact, I don't believe I'm allowed to say that on these boards (which is okay since they are privately owned). The U.S. is usually slow in major change. It happened with slavery and civil rights. It is currently happening with the death penalty (see New Jersey). Many other Western countries had/have already addressed these issues while the U.S. was still in hot debate. Homosexuality is vastly different from slavery, and Ii'm not comparing the two, but many people do equate it with the civil rights movement. You don't have to agree, but it's a fact that many people see it that way (although, not surprisingly, not in the South). If we've learned anything from that time period, it's that major changes can occur in relatively short periods of time.
But you're right, according to the Bible, God would not tolerate this section of society even if most people did.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 2:35:53 PM
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BTW: many black leaders as noted in past posts vehemently resent any equation of that civil rights movement w/ the current homosexual agenda.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 3:27:40 PM
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It seems likely that gay marriage will gradually gain acceptance. Southern states are likely to continue working on ways to either make it very difficult or outright impossible for gays to get married, but, from an objective political standpoint, a U.S. Contstitutional amendment is not out of the question in the next 30 years.
I hope it does not reach the consttutional amendment status.
I think it is a States Rights issue. Let each state decide.
And the "marriage" would not have to be recogized in the "No gay marriage" States.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 4:11:18 PM
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In other current news: The so called Rev. Jeffrey Lee, a liberal homosexual---was elected the 12th Bishop of Chicago at the diocese convention on Saturday over seven other candidates, one of them an openly lesbian priest.
Lesbian priests and gay bishops and those shepards aren't leading the flock straight into hell????????????????
Our prayers should be that God would bring many gays & lesbians to a saving knowledge of Christ..not a man made-false-seeker friendly religion.
This assumes perfection in our preachers and church leaders. We obviously cannot expect this. A leader who sins is a human leader. Ergo, you may consider a gay preacher to be a sinner, but how do you not consider any other preacher to be a sinner? Well, of course you do consider him/her to be a sinner. The Bible says humans are not perfect, so we should not expect our human leaders to be without sin. Additionally, we cannot assign values to certain sins. Sin A is no worse than Sin B in the eyes of God. A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 4:32:31 PM
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In other current news: The so called Rev. Jeffrey Lee, a liberal homosexual---was elected the 12th Bishop of Chicago at the diocese convention on Saturday over seven other candidates, one of them an openly lesbian priest.
Lesbian priests and gay bishops and those shepards aren't leading the flock straight into hell????????????????
Our prayers should be that God would bring many gays & lesbians to a saving knowledge of Christ..not a man made-false-seeker friendly religion.
This assumes perfection in our preachers and church leaders. We obviously cannot expect this. A leader who sins is a human leader. Ergo, you may consider a gay preacher to be a sinner, but how do you not consider any other preacher to be a sinner? Well, of course you do consider him/her to be a sinner. The Bible says humans are not perfect, so we should not expect our human leaders to be without sin. Additionally, we cannot assign values to certain sins. Sin A is no worse than Sin B in the eyes of God. A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.
Well, how do you explain this?
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,* he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. -I Timothy 3
No we can't expect them to be perfect, no man is, but we can certainly expect them to live a lifestyle above reproach. If one is actively engaged in a homosexual lifestyle, he does not qualify as a pastor according to God's Word.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 4:36:42 PM
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Well, how do you explain this?
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,* he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. -I Timothy 3
No we can't expect them to be perfect, no man is, but we can certainly expect them to live a lifestyle above reproach. If one is actively engaged in a homosexual lifestyle, he does not qualify as a pastor according to God's Word.
We could likely find a multitude of highly-regarded church leaders who do not qualify to lead according to a strict interpretation of Timothy 3. For instance, an unmarried man is no longer qualified to teach the Word because he "must be...the husband of one wife."
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 7:20:20 PM
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we cannot assign values to certain sins. Sin A is no worse than Sin B in the eyes of God. A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.
It would appear that there is a difference in sins;
(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 10:06:56 PM
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(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
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This passage is ambiguous to the topic at hand at best. We can argue all day about "levels" of sin. It really depends to what denomination one is attached. For Catholics there are mortal and venial sins, obviously. But in the end, any sinful action can be reconciled with God. Ergo, my point that a preacher that sins through homosexuality can be equally qualified to teach the Word of God as a preacher that sins through some other means stands.
To put it another way, my 5th grade math teacher may have been a thief, but that had no bearing on my knowledge of 5th grade arithmetic.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 11:08:41 PM
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(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
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This passage is ambiguous to the topic at hand at best. We can argue all day about "levels" of sin. It really depends to what denomination one is attached. For Catholics there are mortal and venial sins, obviously. But in the end, any sinful action can be reconciled with God. Ergo, my point that a preacher that sins through homosexuality can be equally qualified to teach the Word of God as a preacher that sins through some other means stands.
To put it another way, my 5th grade math teacher may have been a thief, but that had no bearing on my knowledge of 5th grade arithmetic.
However Catholics, like protestants believe that one must make an effort to stop sinning. There is a vast difference in the eyes of God between someone who sins but repents, and someone who sins and does not believe it is a sin. It is a fact that humans, even pastors/priests will sin. But if a they sin, do not believe it is a sin and make no effort to stop, THEY ARE NOT IN GOD's WILL. A active homosexual is NOT in the will of God, and seeing as one should only be a pastor/priest unless they are called, I have no doubt that no homosexual pastor/priest is endorsed by God. Someone who ignores what the bible calls sin, and continues to do said sin, is not a man of God.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 11:33:23 PM
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(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
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This passage is ambiguous to the topic at hand at best. We can argue all day about "levels" of sin. It really depends to what denomination one is attached. For Catholics there are mortal and venial sins, obviously. But in the end, any sinful action can be reconciled with God. Ergo, my point that a preacher that sins through homosexuality can be equally qualified to teach the Word of God as a preacher that sins through some other means stands.
To put it another way, my 5th grade math teacher may have been a thief, but that had no bearing on my knowledge of 5th grade arithmetic.
However Catholics, like protestants believe that one must make an effort to stop sinning. There is a vast difference in the eyes of God between someone who sins but repents, and someone who sins and does not believe it is a sin. It is a fact that humans, even pastors/priests will sin. But if a they sin, do not believe it is a sin and make no effort to stop, THEY ARE NOT IN GOD's WILL. A active homosexual is NOT in the will of God, and seeing as one should only be a pastor/priest unless they are called, I have no doubt that no homosexual pastor/priest is endorsed by God. Someone who ignores what the bible calls sin, and continues to do said sin, is not a man of God.
You are so right but not being wordly politically correct..let's not forget lesbian women of something..but it can't be of God.
Man made so called church manufacturing of a let's play church role.
So anyhow that's----Lesbian priest, don't twist it 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/11/2007 11:58:38 PM
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However Catholics, like protestants believe that one must make an effort to stop sinning. There is a vast difference in the eyes of God between someone who sins but repents, and someone who sins and does not believe it is a sin. It is a fact that humans, even pastors/priests will sin. But if a they sin, do not believe it is a sin and make no effort to stop, THEY ARE NOT IN GOD's WILL. A active homosexual is NOT in the will of God, and seeing as one should only be a pastor/priest unless they are called, I have no doubt that no homosexual pastor/priest is endorsed by God. Someone who ignores what the bible calls sin, and continues to do said sin, is not a man of God.
This still has no necessary effect on the quality of what people are being taught. What you are basically saying is if Preacher A gives the same message to his parishioners as Preacher B gives that the message is invalid from Preacher A if he sins but does not believe he is sinning. First, this does not alter the message, so we have determined that Preacher A is an equal teacher to Preacher B. Second, we can find many examples of sinning with no intent on ceasing the sins. A preacher that is too lazy to keep his body in shape. He is sinning. He is doing nothing to stop his laziness. Is his message invalid? or do we just overlook this fact because laziness is a less contentious issue than homosexuality?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 5:01:00 AM
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I hope it does not reach the consttutional amendment status.
I think it is a States Rights issue. Let each state decide.
And the "marriage" would not have to be recogized in the "No gay marriage" States.
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Actually, not so true. It hasn't been tested yet, but that law that says that other states don't have to recognize a gay marriage from another state is entirely unconstitutional. It's a clear violation of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. The second it's tested in court. any non-activist judge who's looking solely at the Constitution is going to toss it.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 5:47:42 AM
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No we can't expect them to be perfect, no man is, but we can certainly expect them to live a lifestyle above reproach. If one is actively engaged in a homosexual lifestyle, he does not qualify as a pastor according to God's Word.
Just a small correction. He doesn't qualify to be an ELDER. There are no specific qualifications set out for the pastoral ministry other than the qualifications for Eldership who carry out the responsibilities for the pastoral ministry.
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But in the end, any sinful action can be reconciled with God.
Except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is calling a work of the Spirit a work of the devil.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 9:38:25 AM
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No we can't expect them to be perfect, no man is, but we can certainly expect them to live a lifestyle above reproach. If one is actively engaged in a homosexual lifestyle, he does not qualify as a pastor according to God's Word.
Just a small correction. He doesn't qualify to be an ELDER. There are no specific qualifications set out for the pastoral ministry other than the qualifications for Eldership who carry out the responsibilities for the pastoral ministry.
Then what is your point?
"The elders' task of oversight and discipline can be described in terms of keeping watch and shepherding on behalf of the great shepherd Jesus Christ. In Paul's farewell to the Ephesian elders he said: "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood" (Acts 20:28). The pastoral character of this task of oversight is also indicated when Peter writes: "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder� Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers�not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away" (1 Peter 5:1-4)." -Bakers Evangelical Dictionary
The "elders" of the New Testament church were the "pastors" (Ephesians 4:11), "bishops or overseers" (Acts 20:28), "leaders" and "rulers" (Hebrews 13:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:12) of the flock. -Easton's Bible Dictionary
"Bishop. [N] [B] [E] The word originally signified an "overseer" or spiritual superintendent. The titles bishop and elder, or presbyter, were essentially equivalent. Bishop is from the Greek, and denotes one who exercises the function of overseeing. Presbyter was derived from the office in the synagogue. Of the order in which the first elders or bishops were appointed, as of the occasion which led to the institution of the office, we have no record. The duties of the bishop-elders appear to have been as follows:
1. General superintendence over the spiritual well-being of the flock. (1 Peter 5:2)
2. The work of teaching, both publicly and privately. (1 Thessalonians 5:12; Titus 1:9; 1 Timothy 5:17)
3. The work of visiting the sick, (James 5:14)
4. Among other acts of charity, that of receiving strangers occupied a conspicuous place. (1 Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:8) Peter calls Christ "the shepherd and bishop of your souls." (1 Peter 2:25)" - Smith's Bible Dictionary
There are stringent requirements for anyone who would take on the role of shepherding/leading/teaching the flock...whether you call them an elder, bishop, pastor, or an overseer. Again, someone living in the sin of homosexuality would absolutely not be eligible for this role.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 7:10:03 PM
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Then what is your point?
The fact that the person linked not being homosexual as being a qualification to be a pastor, implying that you can't lead a church as a pastor if you are a homosexual.
The scriptures clearly show that the oversight of the church is by unpaid Elders not paid pastors so the connection is academic.
A person is first an Elder then a pastor so the qualification aspect has to be looked at in terms do they qualify as an Elder. If they don't, qualification for a pastoral ministry does not even need to be considered.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 7:21:00 PM
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But in the end, any sinful action can be reconciled with God. Ergo, my point that a preacher that sins through homosexuality can be equally qualified to teach the Word of God as a preacher that sins through some other means stands.
And once again you err, as Marksman pointed out:
(Mar 3:28) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
(Mar 3:29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
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