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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/12/2007 7:27:57 PM
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rcjames
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I hope it does not reach the consttutional amendment status.
I think it is a States Rights issue. Let each state decide.
And the "marriage" would not have to be recogized in the "No gay marriage" States.
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Actually, not so true. It hasn't been tested yet, but that law that says that other states don't have to recognize a gay marriage from another state is entirely unconstitutional. It's a clear violation of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. The second it's tested in court. any non-activist judge who's looking solely at the Constitution is going to toss it.
Sorry for not being more clear, I was joining the potential gau marriage state laws with a change in the "Full faith".
But even under the full faith a speed limit is not transferable to another state and there are many other examples.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/4/2007 1:48:51 AM
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In tonight's GOP debate I smell another Hillary "type" plant...the ex military officer attempting to try & push a radical gay agenda.
CNN did not disclose but there is buzzing that he is on a Clinton gay/les/transgender steering group..if so it should of "come out".
I just saw The O'Reilly Factor this evening, and O'Reilly interviewed that openly gay, retired brigadier General, Keith Kerr. I'm still trying to assess what the debate/discussion is all about, regarding what Brig. Gen. Kerr said, but I thought it's interesting to note that the same Hilary Clinton that is being supported by Kerr is also the one I recalled having vetoed, or at least opposed to same-sex marriages--NOT to mention having Pres. Bill implementing the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy in the first place!
But now I'm thinking about it, I think I have to concur with O'Reilly, as well as some military vets/brass that had reiterated before there's a good reason one shouldn't be flaunting one's sexual escapades within the ranks--REGARDLESS of one's orientation. I mean, wouldn't it be a bigger letdown in troop morale if someone knew someone else's activities, sort of like displaying arrogantly, yet in a juvenile kind of way, who's got a euphemistic, "bigger package?"
...and I'm just starting with the dire consequences of heterosexual derelictions of duty! I don't think I want to fathom the "what-ifs" regarding the same-sex kind, especially when I recalled in the news (even here on this thread) about how some Russian military families are protesting/crusading against their motherland's blind eye, to their army's scandalous, hazing rituals, where young recruits were often times were subject to gang rape and even prostitution!  
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/4/2007 9:32:15 AM
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But now I'm thinking about it, I think I have to concur with O'Reilly, as well as some military vets/brass that had reiterated before there's a good reason one shouldn't be flaunting one's sexual escapades within the ranks--REGARDLESS of one's orientation. I mean, wouldn't it be a bigger letdown in troop morale if someone knew someone else's activities, sort of like displaying arrogantly, yet in a juvenile kind of way, who's got a euphemistic, "bigger package?"
I think this misses the problem with homosexuality in the military.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/4/2007 11:14:49 AM
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Many military personnel live in close proximity to each other. Sexuality in this environment is explosive. It is difficult enough with women in the military. Affairs are rampant. Unit cohesiveness is problematic because of this. How do you order your sex partner into a dangerous situation or assign unpleasant tasks to them. Any hint of favoritism cause problems as soon as they appear. Respect is lost for superiors and the lower ranking party involved.
Now to allow a perverse sexual activity whether it be pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, or homosexuality is to cause even worse divisions in a unit. The natural revulsion in these activities will cause even more problems. Shower room justice or worse may occur. This is the same for thieves or known liars in the barracks. The average soldier or marine won't trust the pervert to back them up. Units may allow the individual to experience battlefield justice (Uriah the Hittite, Bathsheba's husband, comes to mind).
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/4/2007 11:30:23 AM
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Marcus,
The first paragraph you are right on. Extremely well worded and accurate.
The second paragraph seems to be lacking a little. Generally combat soldiers are men from conservative backgrounds with strong reactions to homosexuality. And the relationship between soldiers in a squad is perhaps the most important and foundation to the ability of a military unit to operate. What it boils down to is that if your "battle buddy" is talking about how "hawt" another soldier is or even some celebrity, there is a serious problem in that unit. But there is not a similar problem in a soldier talking about how Jennifer Aniston is "hawt". I am sure there is a better way to express this, but I don't really see anyone else addressing the core issue.
And the US Supreme Court has recognized this.
Where are you retired grunts? I am sure you can express this better. Even a devil dog response....
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/5/2007 1:28:54 AM
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I hope it does not reach the consttutional amendment status.
I think it is a States Rights issue. Let each state decide.
And the "marriage" would not have to be recogized in the "No gay marriage" States.
Thanks
RC
Actually, not so true. It hasn't been tested yet, but that law that says that other states don't have to recognize a gay marriage from another state is entirely unconstitutional. It's a clear violation of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. The second it's tested in court. any non-activist judge who's looking solely at the Constitution is going to toss it.
Sorry for not being more clear, I was joining the potential gau marriage state laws with a change in the "Full faith".
But even under the full faith a speed limit is not transferable to another state and there are many other examples.
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Actually, the speed limit is a bad example. The Full Faith and Credit clause does apply to contracts that are entered into in one state, and marriage is a contract. Give me an example of a legally binding contract from one state that another state had the power to ignore and then I'll consider your point.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/5/2007 12:19:05 PM
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Actually, the speed limit is a bad example. The Full Faith and Credit clause does apply to contracts that are entered into in one state, and marriage is a contract. Give me an example of a legally binding contract from one state that another state had the power to ignore and then I'll consider your point.
Well I will try to explain further; I would go along with the states handling this matter, if the full faith would not apply to gay marriage..
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 12/6/2007 12:08:19 AM
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Actually, the speed limit is a bad example. The Full Faith and Credit clause does apply to contracts that are entered into in one state, and marriage is a contract. Give me an example of a legally binding contract from one state that another state had the power to ignore and then I'll consider your point.
Well I will try to explain further; I would go along with the states handling this matter, if the full faith would not apply to gay marriage..
Thsnks
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You haven't proved though, that Full Faith and Credit doesn't apply to gay marriage. Marriage is a contract, and contracts are covered under Full Faith and Credit. If it doesn't apply, then sure, go with the states, but the fact remains, constitutionally, I have yet to see an example where the courts have ruled that a legally binding contract is not covered under the clause.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/11/2008 4:37:19 PM
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Here's a news article from across the pond.
Fury over new gay hate laws which 'threaten free speech'
By SIMON CALDWELL - Last updated at 23:56pm on 7th January 2008
A coalition of MPs is hoping to halt a gay hate law which will stop Christians pronouncing their beliefs about marriage and family life.
The Tory, Labour and Lib-Dem MPs are demanding an amendment be introduced to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill to make sure religious leaders are not prosecuted for criticising homosexual lifestyles.
They are threatening to force a vote on an issue which has split Gordon Brown's Cabinet.
If successful, they would embarrass the Premier and Justice Minister Jack Straw, who has attempted to drive through the provision despite opposition from ministers led by Attorney General Baroness Scotland.
The amendment says nothing should prohibit or restrict "discussion of, criticism of, or expression of antipathy towards conduct relating to a particular sexual orientation, or urging persons of a particular sexual orientation to refrain from or modify conduct according to that orientation".
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/17/2008 8:21:38 AM
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Depends on who you call Evangelical. Many of the liberal denominations are considered Evangelical. Labels don't mean anything.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/21/2008 4:31:02 PM
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I can't for the life of me understand why the term "gay mafia" is allowed on the site. Can you imagine the uproar if someone said "Christian mafia"?
Of course, there is no such thing as a gay mafia. But, if you can make up bad things about a group, demonize them, it makes it much easier to hate them.
Certainly there is no need to make up things about and demonize a group that is proud to be in complete rebillion against God, and in many circles flaunt it...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/21/2008 7:49:30 PM
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I can't for the life of me understand why the term "gay mafia" is allowed on the site. Can you imagine the uproar if someone said "Christian mafia"?
Of course, there is no such thing as a gay mafia. But, if you can make up bad things about a group, demonize them, it makes it much easier to hate them.
Certainly there is no need to make up things about and demonize a group that is proud to be in complete rebillion against God, and in many circles flaunt it...
There should be no need to make up things. Yet, I see people do it all the time. For example, the gay mafia.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/22/2008 8:56:52 AM
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There should be no need to make up things. Yet, I see people do it all the time. For example, the gay mafia.
Are we sure there is no "Gay Mafia"? There are gay outlaw motorcycle gangs, and "Gay Terrorist"; as in the group "Act Up? for instance.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/22/2008 8:49:37 PM
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There should be no need to make up things. Yet, I see people do it all the time. For example, the gay mafia.
Are we sure there is no "Gay Mafia"? There are gay outlaw motorcycle gangs, and "Gay Terrorist"; as in the group "Act Up? for instance.
Yes, I'm sure. I find some of the actions by the group Act Up highly offensive, but civil disobedience does not approach organized crime and hit m
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/23/2008 11:42:41 AM
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Yes, I'm sure. I find some of the actions by the group Act Up highly offensive, but civil disobedience does not approach organized crime and hit m
Civil disobedience? Going into a Church service and throwing used condems on the attendee is Civil disobedience?
I guess they chose the right Church, for I am sure if they did that to the "Good ole boys" here in Oklahoma, the reception would have been different..
I considered that a crime, and wish the NYC would have tested all the condems for HIV and charged the whole group with attepted murder.
But that is just me.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/23/2008 10:49:11 PM
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Yes, I'm sure. I find some of the actions by the group Act Up highly offensive, but civil disobedience does not approach organized crime and hit m
Civil disobedience? Going into a Church service and throwing used condems on the attendee is Civil disobedience?
I guess they chose the right Church, for I am sure if they did that to the "Good ole boys" here in Oklahoma, the reception would have been different..
I considered that a crime, and wish the NYC would have tested all the condems for HIV and charged the whole group with attepted murder.
But that is just me.
For someone to be charged with attempted murder in New York, they must actually attempt to murder someone. I wouldn't be at all surprised if things were different in the Good-ole-boy state of Oklahoma.
I find the actions you describe highly offensive and they should be arrested and charged, but it's not attempted murder. Thank you for making my point for me.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/31/2008 2:05:28 PM
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I considered that a crime, and wish the NYC would have tested all the condems for HIV and charged the whole group with attepted murder.
But that is just me.
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What if HIV can't survive outside of the body- even in the form of semen- for more than a few minutes?
Would that change your opinion about whether these people should be locked up for a few months vs. going to jail for the rest of their lives?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/31/2008 11:04:14 PM
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I considered that a crime, and wish the NYC would have tested all the condems for HIV and charged the whole group with attepted murder.
But that is just me.
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What if HIV can't survive outside of the body- even in the form of semen- for more than a few minutes?
Would that change your opinion about whether these people should be locked up for a few months vs. going to jail for the rest of their lives?
I agree that attempted murder would not be the right charge. For they did not intend to actually harm the person. Now reckless endangerment of a life would be the right call. If any of the people knew that they, or someone else in the group DID have a infectious disease, and still went ahead with the plan, it could (and should) be argued that they recklessly endangered the lives and well being of their targets.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 1/31/2008 11:23:02 PM
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I agree that attempted murder would not be the right charge. For they did not intend to actually harm the person. Now reckless endangerment of a life would be the right call. If any of the people knew that they, or someone else in the group DID have a infectious disease, and still went ahead with the plan, it could (and should) be argued that they recklessly endangered the lives and well being of their targets.
The thing, though, is that there's a reason most STDs are passed by sexual contact instead of touch. Often, the virus or bacteria can't survive outside the body for long. This certainly includes HIV.
If someone wants to charge them with assault, I will agree with them 100%. However, I don't think these people even really threatened anyone with disease.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 2/1/2008 5:36:18 AM
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If they had attempted rape with the intention of spreading the disease, that would be a different story. Incidentally, HIV is not spread just through sexual contact. That is the primary way, but not the only way. I can spread through an infected needle, or blood transfusion. I know of one person who got it through working on dental equipment. He didn't know he had it until it was too late. Luckily, God protected his wife and she did not get it.
One thing to note, HIV CANNOT be spread through throwing condoms filled with semen at people. That's just silly to even think of.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 2/1/2008 10:02:07 AM
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If they had attempted rape with the intention of spreading the disease, that would be a different story. Incidentally, HIV is not spread just through sexual contact. That is the primary way, but not the only way. I can spread through an infected needle, or blood transfusion. I know of one person who got it through working on dental equipment. He didn't know he had it until it was too late. Luckily, God protected his wife and she did not get it.
One thing to note, HIV CANNOT be spread through throwing condoms filled with semen at people. That's just silly to even think of.
If it can be spread by a dentist using the same instraments on sucessive patients (as in the Florida case), or by working on dental equipment, then the virus would certainly be viable in the semen in condoms. Many of the condoms were cut open and the semen thrown on the worshippers.
Reckless Endangerment for a charge would suit me fine.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 2/1/2008 10:33:13 AM
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But the semen would have to transferred through either open wounds, or sexually. Somehow, it has to enter the blood stream. Semen just thrown on someone would not infect that person, unless forced into a wound.
The dentist obviously was not cleaning their instruments properly, probably trying to save money and overcharging patients at the same time as was probably the case. I am not familiar with the case, so I cannot speak for it.
Regardless, HIV can only infect someone either sexually or by entering the blood stream through numerous other means.
Semen splashed on someone would not infect that person and would not be attempted murder or reckless endangerment.
Disorderly conduct and public indecency would be more like the charges. And register them as sex offenders, so they can't live next to anyone ever again.
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