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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 12:43:28 PM
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 4:00:06 PM
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I'm assuming that you go to church, am I correct?
If I am correct in that aspect, I must also assume that you're saying that you never sin.
...Which is obviously a lie (and a sin).
Yes, I am a Christian and thusly part of the Church, and no I do not practice nor promote sin.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 6:55:57 PM
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You crack me up. You're human. You're fallible.
..And I do not promote homosexuality. I'm just saying that people should not be judged by others based on our sins, because whether rcjames would like to admit it or not, we are all guilty of sinning now and again.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 9:08:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: McKate
You crack me up. You're human. You're fallible.
..And I do not promote homosexuality. I'm just saying that people should not be judged by others based on our sins, because whether rcjames would like to admit it or not, we are all guilty of sinning now and again.
A person who practices sin (walks in sin)(continues in sin) is not a Christian.
Homosesuality is a sin, probably not any worse than most other sins; but a sin all the same. A practicing homosexual is walking, continuing in sin and thusly not part of nor welcome in the Church.
Ex-homosexuals are welcome as are ex-murderers, etc.
McKate, I would suggest you read the third chapter of 1 John and the 6th chapter of Romans.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 9:13:59 PM
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Something like 95% plus have had other partners within 5 years of starting a monogamous relationship. What they mean by monogamous isn't the common definition.
This still only amounts to an argument against promiscuity, though. If you are going to try to show that there is something intrinsically unhealthy about homosexual behavior itself, you are going to have to prove that homosexuality is just as risky when it is practiced in monogamy. Again, the research you provided doesn't show that, as nearly all the health risks would be eliminated if one would practice monogamy -regardless of if they are gay or straight. Attempting to argue that most homosexuals are promiscuous really doesn't help your case, as that still doesn't negate the fact that one can both be gay and eliminate the risks outlined in the report if one would only practice monogamy.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 10:55:17 PM
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Unfortunately the homosexuals don't seem to be able to be monogamous except in name only.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 11:34:16 PM
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Unfortunately the homosexuals don't seem to be able to be monogamous except in name only.
Some homosexuals are in long term relationships, some don't seem able to be in long term relationships. The same is true of heterosexuals.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/22/2008 12:06:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Unfortunately the homosexuals don't seem to be able to be monogamous except in name only.
Some homosexuals are in long term relationships, some don't seem able to be in long term relationships. The same is true of heterosexuals.
I think trying to equate the promiscuity of homosexuals with heterosexuals is a long uphill battle.
I don't hear about many heterosexual "Bath houses".
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/22/2008 5:07:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Unfortunately the homosexuals don't seem to be able to be monogamous except in name only.
Some homosexuals are in long term relationships, some don't seem able to be in long term relationships. The same is true of heterosexuals.
I think trying to equate the promiscuity of homosexuals with heterosexuals is a long uphill battle.
I don't hear about many heterosexual "Bath houses".
I'm not trying to equate homosexual promiscuity with that of heterosexuals. I'm just saying that Marcus is mistaken - some homosexuals are able to be in long term relationships, and some aren't. The same is true for heterosexuals.
Bath houses tend to be in large cities, where you'll also find female "escorts". In the small town I grew up in, there wasn't a bath house, there was a hotel that rented rooms by the hour.
I'm just saying that homosexuals can have long term relationships and that homosexuals have not cornered the market on promiscuity.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/22/2008 9:05:11 PM
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You're right. The polls place the homosexual monogamy rate in the single digits so a few are monogamous. However, the vast majority (who respond to the polls) aren't.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/29/2008 12:27:07 PM
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OXNARD, Calif. - Larry King was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. And when the other boys made fun of him, he would boldly tease them right back by flirting with them.
That may have been what got him killed.
On Feb. 12, another student, Brandon McInerney, 14, shot him twice in the head at the back of the computer lab at their junior high school, police say.
The slaying of the 15-year-old boy has alarmed gay rights activists and led to demands that middle schools do more to educate youngsters about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Police would not discuss McInerney's motive. But the day before the shooting, King told McInerney he liked him, eighth-grader Eduardo Segure told the Ventura County Star.
If King had flirted with the other boy, "that can be very threatening to someone's ego and their sense of identity," said Jaana Juvonen, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847511/
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 4/8/2008 2:08:12 AM
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HOMOSEXUAL LEADER CALLS AIDS: “A GAY DISEASE”
BY ED VITAGLIANO - AFA Journal, April 2008
The head of a major homosexual group admitted for the first time that HIV/AIDS is “a gay disease,” but added that he believed victory for the full range of the homosexual agenda was inevitable. Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF, www.thetaskforce.org), the nation’s oldest gay rights group, made the statements at the organization’s national conference in February.
Foreman’s controversial statement about AIDS surprised even many of the conference attendees. He told them, “Folks, with 70% of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi(sexual), we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that.”
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AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/8/2008 1:34:16 PM
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He told them, “Folks, with 70% of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi(sexual), we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that.”
Mr. Foreman should have done some research. According to readily available statistical data, only about 48% of HIV/AIDS is due to male homosexual behavior. Here are some stats...
The total number of people diagnosed with AIDS in the USA is over one million. This total increases by around 40,000 each year.
Around 48% of all people diagnosed with AIDS were probably infected with HIV through male-to-male sexual contact, while people exposed through heterosexual contact comprise around 18% of the total. Since the beginning of the epidemic, the number of heterosexual infections has increased dramatically. According to CDC estimates, heterosexual contact led to about one third of new AIDS diagnoses and one third of new HIV diagnoses in 2006.
Around 19% of all adults and adolescents diagnosed with AIDS have been female. Among new AIDS diagnoses in 2006, this proportion was 27%.
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In Africa, the nation most affected by HIV/AIDS statistics are even worse....
Sub-Saharan Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other region of the world. An estimated 22.5 million people were living with HIV at the end of 2007 and approximately 1.7 million additional people were infected with HIV during that year. In just the past year, the AIDS epidemic in Africa has claimed the lives of an estimated 1.6 million people in this region. More than eleven million children have been orphaned by AIDS.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/8/2008 1:38:37 PM
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Mr. Foreman should have done some research. According to readily available statistical data, only about 48% of HIV/AIDS is due to male homosexual behavior. Here are some stats...
The total number of people diagnosed with AIDS in the USA is over one million. This total increases by around 40,000 each year.
Around 48% of all people diagnosed with AIDS were probably infected with HIV through male-to-male sexual contact, while people exposed through heterosexual contact comprise around 18% of the total. Since the beginning of the epidemic, the number of heterosexual infections has increased dramatically. According to CDC estimates, heterosexual contact led to about one third of new AIDS diagnoses and one third of new HIV diagnoses in 2006.
It should be duly noted that the group with the largest percentage is truthfully the gay community. While 48% is not a majority, it is a larger percentage than any other group. No?
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/8/2008 1:53:52 PM
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I think he probably meant in this country. Sub-Saharan Africa has been devastated by AIDS, and not through homosexual contact, so it can't be a blanket statement.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/8/2008 2:08:05 PM
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I think he probably meant in this country. Sub-Saharan Africa has been devastated by AIDS, and not through homosexual contact, so it can't be a blanket statement.
That was my take on his statements.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/8/2008 7:11:54 PM
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I think he probably meant in this country. Sub-Saharan Africa has been devastated by AIDS, and not through homosexual contact, so it can't be a blanket statement.
So sub-Saharan Africa does not have homosexuals?
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/9/2008 8:41:39 AM
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While I don't know for certain, I would assume that Africa has a smaller percentage of homosexuals than the U.S. and certainly not 22.5 million.
While I cannot argue the exact number of homosexuals in Africa, it should also be noted that homosexuality was the norm for certain tribes.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/9/2008 10:29:27 AM
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Of course Sub-Saharan Africa has homosexuals. But there are many tribal customs that involve blood and not sex.
HIV/AIDS has run rampant through that region through means other than homosexual sex. In this country, I think it is fair to say AIDS is a gay disease because the majority of those living with it are gay. I don't think it's fair to say AIDS is a gay disease in other regions. That's all.
But for the record, I don't think that mindset is necessarily a good way to think about HIV/AIDS. And truthfully, we are only talking about gay men. The number of lesbians with AIDS is negligible, if even statistically provable.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/10/2008 2:17:28 PM
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Of course Sub-Saharan Africa has homosexuals. But there are many tribal customs that involve blood and not sex.
HIV/AIDS has run rampant through that region through means other than homosexual sex. In this country, I think it is fair to say AIDS is a gay disease because the majority of those living with it are gay. I don't think it's fair to say AIDS is a gay disease in other regions. That's all.
But for the record, I don't think that mindset is necessarily a good way to think about HIV/AIDS. And truthfully, we are only talking about gay men. The number of lesbians with AIDS is negligible, if even statistically provable.
There is also the custom of men having sex with young boys is Sub-Saraha Africa(read homosexual pedeophile custom). Aids came out of Africa through homosesuality. It originated in monkeys, and i don't even want to think how ti got from the mondeys to the folks in the sub-sahara.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 4/10/2008 4:34:16 PM
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It's not a gay disease. If it was a gay disease...only homosexuals would have it. Even though it might be mostly homosexuals contracting it...there are so many others inflicted with it as well. There were the blood transfusions in the 80's, heterosexuals, drug addicts, etc. It affects everyone. It doesn't matter what statistics say...and we shouldn't have that mentality anyway. If something affects one of us, it affects all of us.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/10/2008 5:59:03 PM
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Aids came out of Africa through homosesuality.
How do you mean?
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/10/2008 6:33:24 PM
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It seems to be a disease of the promiscuous IMO. The folks who get it from blood transfusions, sharing needles, etc are collateral damage for lack of a better term.
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