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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/10/2008 7:02:35 PM
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rcjames
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Aids came out of Africa through homosesuality.
How do you mean?
Aids was a disease that infected primates in Africa then somehow jumped the specie barrier and the local Africans were the first humans infected.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/11/2008 12:25:08 PM
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A Christian law firm will appeal a ruling by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission fining a photographer who refused to take photos of a homosexual commitment ceremony.
Elaine Huguenin and her husband Jon, who co-own Elane Photography in Albuquerque, New Mexico, are both Christians. So when a lesbian couple asked them to photograph their "commitment ceremony" in Taos, the Huguenins politely refused. In response, Vanessa Willock filed a complaint with the New Mexico Human Rights Commission claiming the Huguenins discriminated against her because of her "sexual orientation." On Wednesday, the Commission found the Christian couple guilty of discrimination under state anti-discrimination laws and ordered them to pay more than $6,000 in costs.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/11/2008 12:28:03 PM
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Aids came out of Africa through homosesuality.
How do you mean?
Aids was a disease that infected primates in Africa then somehow jumped the specie barrier and the local Africans were the first humans infected.
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That doesn't explain why you think homosexuality was the primary means of infection in Africa. Humans were infected through contact with the blood of primates while hunting them for meat. That kind of infection continues to this day.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 4/15/2008 9:37:09 PM
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As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
If that were the case God would have instructed man to put people to death for all sins/crimes yet we know that is not the case, as well there is a sin that will not be forgiven...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 4/15/2008 9:56:40 PM
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I do not think that the church has to allow anyone to marry. I do believe that they should be able to be married by the state, though...since there IS supposedly a separation between church and state and it would benefit these couples financially. Perhaps it may even benefit them morally. Most people are more likely to cheat on a girlfriend or boyfriend rather than a spouse. I'm not saying it's abnormal to commit adultery during marriage, but there is a higher guilt factor in doing so, thus, it happens on a lesser scale.
Your logic is that the state will benefit homosexuals morally by allowing them to marry?
Problem one... God placed governments to keep order and to be His sword for those who do evil... So right away you have the governemnt(an ordained agent of God)condoning sinful behavoir and it's a given that sin promotes disorder.
Second problem... Anyone who believes this is good a good idea needs to consider that love is not founded in condoning the sin of another... In fact it's about the most hateful things one can do...
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I think the church should take these people under their wing, though. They accept every other sinner on the face of the earth...why not homosexuals? I'll let you in on a little not-so-secret. My uncle was a priest...and just so happened to have homosexual relationships while in the priesthood. He contracted HIV, which of course progressed to AIDS, and died. The church was very accepting of him. They loved and cared for him until the day he died. Why? Because throughout his life, he served God and his fellow man tirelessly. He was an amazing human being who just so happened to have some sinful desires just as the rest of us do. These sins do not define who we are as people...and the church should not define us by these sins either.
The bible is quite clear that the homosexual lifestyle isn't compatible with a walk with God. The bible is quite clear on that matter and not secret about it at all... Unless he rejected the lifestyle he was only serving himself and not God... In fact it would be better if he never mentioned God...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 4/18/2008 12:20:47 PM
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Another shot at legitimacy through the back door. I'm waiting for a court to tell one of these pairings that there is no marriage to dissolve because it doesn't exist. They can just walk away from each other.
Some gay couples are having trouble obtaining divorces
By RAY HENRY, Associated Press Writer
Tue Apr 15, 7:02 PM ET
PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Gay couples had to struggle mightily to win the right to marry or form civil unions. Now, some are finding that breaking up is hard to do, too.
In Rhode Island, for example, the state's top court ruled in December that gays married in neighboring Massachusetts can't get divorced here because lawmakers have never defined marriage as anything but a union between a man and woman. In Missouri, a judge is deciding whether a lesbian married in Massachusetts can get an annulment.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 2:25:33 PM
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As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
If that were the case God would have instructed man to put people to death for all sins/crimes yet we know that is not the case, as well there is a sin that will not be forgiven...
John
Well John-that's very true. The bible even says to stone to death a rebellious and drunken son!
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If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Deut 21:18
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 2:27:33 PM
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He also said that homosexuals, drunkards, idolaters, adulterers, etc. were an abomination. He listed them specifically.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 3:13:33 PM
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And according to the NT, the greedy, drunks, adulterers and thieves are listed right along with homosexuals. (1 cor 6)
I'm glad for the grace of Christ, because when I was young, had a bit too much to drink, went through a brief rebellious phase,...I would also have been worthy of the death penalty. I will also admit to having covetted my neighbors wealth, and on occasion may have even been guilty of greed.
And according to the words of Jesus in Matthew 19:8 and Mark 10:11.....Adulterers include all who divorced and remarried for reasons other than "marital unfaithfullness". According to divorce stats in the church, that would include a good percentage of the folks sitting in the pews.
That's ALOT of heterosexuals!
(note: my point is not to debate "divorce", which would be off topic, but to simply point out the some believers can be a bit "choosy" in regards to literal application of scripture...IMO we seem to favor picking on homosexuals while overlooking a TON of places in scriptures where even those who consider themselves "believers" can be painted with the same brush they use on homosexuals.)
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 3:16:59 PM
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And according to the NT, the greedy, drunks, adulterers and thieves are listed right along with homosexuals.
I'm glad for the grace of Christ, because when I was young, had a bit too much to drink, and went through a brief rebellious phase...I would also have been worthy of the death penalty.
And according to the words of Jesus in Matthew 19:8 and Mark 10:11.....Adulterers include all who divorced and remarried for reasons other than "marital unfaithfullness". According to divorce stats in the church, that would include a good percentage of the folks sitting in the pews.
That's ALOT of heterosexuals!
(note: my point is not to debate "divorce", which would be off topic, but to simply point out the some believers can be a bit "choosy" in regards to literal application of scripture...IMO we seem to favor picking on homosexual sin while overlooking a TON of places in scriptures where "believers" can be painted with the same brush they use on homosexuals.)
One HUGE problem with this statement: you are commenting in a thread about homosexuality! There are other threads for other topics such as abortion, racism, etc. You judgment is incorrect.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 3:21:31 PM
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Sorry you considered my post to be off topic, I was simply responding to John, who tried to make a point that the death penalty in the OT for homosexuals made it a more serious sin-I simply pointed out scripturally how his application doesn't add up. Therefore, IMO my judgement IS correct, though my post may be considered by some to be off topic.
If you are going to use scripture to consider one sin worse than others, one would be wise to look at the bigger picture IMO. THAT is what I was trying to do. IMO it's an error all too common in the church that needs to be pointed out once in a while. 
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 3:41:46 PM
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The NT repeats the OT on what is an abomination (just like you said). That is a pretty strong judgment and would lend weight to the argument that all sins are not committed equally.
Even so, to diminish the pestilence of homosexuality on today's society by comparing it to other sin is moot. The ones you listed all reap the same reward, and they are not equivalent to other sins. That is why there are threads on all of the sins you listed.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 4:39:44 PM
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Even so, to diminish the pestilence of homosexuality on today's society by comparing it to other sin is moot. The ones you listed all reap the same reward, and they are not equivalent to other sins.
Suffice it to say, we disagree. There are plenty who consider divorce and remarriage a "pestilence" as well. (Though because a person "feels" a certain way doesn't make it so....) :-)
And let us not forget, adultery and rebellious children also meritted the death penalty in the OT. So I guess I'm not getting how believers can be so smug about one sin, while completing ignoring (or making "loopholes") for their own. It seems to me the churches reflection in the mirror appears prettier to itself than it really is.
I will NEVER for the life of me understand the selective literalism I find so rampant within the body.
(On that note-I'll leave any further comparison to the churches generous use of loopholes when looking at their own sin out of the topic for the time being.)
Blessed are the peacemakers and all that.... 
Cheerio!
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/18/2008 10:45:46 PM
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Of course Sub-Saharan Africa has homosexuals. But there are many tribal customs that involve blood and not sex.
HIV/AIDS has run rampant through that region through means other than homosexual sex. In this country, I think it is fair to say AIDS is a gay disease because the majority of those living with it are gay. I don't think it's fair to say AIDS is a gay disease in other regions. That's all.
But for the record, I don't think that mindset is necessarily a good way to think about HIV/AIDS. And truthfully, we are only talking about gay men. The number of lesbians with AIDS is negligible, if even statistically provable.
There is also the custom of men having sex with young boys is Sub-Saraha Africa(read homosexual pedeophile custom). Aids came out of Africa through homosesuality. It originated in monkeys, and i don't even want to think how ti got from the mondeys to the folks in the sub-sahara.
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Okay, first of all, the African epidemic is spread primarily by heterosexual contact. Not saying that homosexuality doesn't happen, but that is definitely not the main cause. The ONLY places you see a higher incidence in homosexual men is in Western countries, but in the vast majority of the world, it is a heterosexual epidemic primarily. Since we are not the only country in the world, it is definitely not fair to say it is a gay disease. Not even in the US, because the heterosexual females are on the fast track to catching up.
And you have a very dirty mind to assume that the only way the virus jumped species is for humans to have had sex with them. It is a very insulting to those people to make that immediate jump. The first proven case is from a man in Zaire in 1959--in an area where monkeys are hunted. Besides the very real possibility of bites from the monkeys, there is a myriad of ways you can be exposed to tainted blood during the procedure of taking care of the monkey carcas.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/19/2008 10:59:41 AM
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The ONLY places you see a higher incidence in homosexual men is in Western countries, but in the vast majority of the world, it is a heterosexual epidemic primarily.
I am not so sure about the Western countries statement, but yes it is spread heterosexually now, but not in the beginning.
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And you have a very dirty mind to assume that the only way the virus jumped species is for humans to have had sex with them. It is a very insulting to those people to make that immediate jump. The first proven case is from a man in Zaire in 1959--in an area where monkeys are hunted. Besides the very real possibility of bites from the monkeys, there is a myriad of ways you can be exposed to tainted blood during the procedure of taking care of the monkey carcas.
You are entitled to your opinion even if it is a kool aid drinking opinion.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/19/2008 2:31:45 PM
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As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
If that were the case God would have instructed man to put people to death for all sins/crimes yet we know that is not the case, as well there is a sin that will not be forgiven...
John
Well John-that's very true. The bible even says to stone to death a rebellious and drunken son!
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If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Deut 21:18
Not sure what point you're attempting to make...
John
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/19/2008 2:44:27 PM
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He also said that homosexuals, drunkards, idolaters, adulterers, etc. were an abomination. He listed them specifically.
Don't forget liars too.
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/19/2008 2:45:45 PM
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Let me state...
The fact that punishments for various crimes isn't the same is a biblical concept...
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RE: AIDS not limited to homosexual behavior - 4/20/2008 5:15:03 AM
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What is the result of sin...any sin?
Seperation from God. The consequences are all the same for every sin. That makes all sin....the same.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is another way of saying disbelief. Obviously if you don't believe you will be condemned, its pretty simple.
I don't know the origins of aids. I don't think the origin was race specific....if its true aids came from monkeys....and these monkeys lived in Africa....then yes it would seem logical that africans were responsible for the spread.
Not because of race but by plain old position. They were around the infected monkeys.
If aids came from walruses then artic people's would be the start.
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