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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/23/2008 12:51:07 AM
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How does that work? If gay people are getting married, would more people become gay? Thats insane.
I live in Denmark, a pretty liberal nation with a great degree of freedom, and here homosexual unions have been allowed in quite a while. Some of my aquantaines(sp?) are gays.
Still, I have never been the slightest tempted by other men. I'm not even qurious about it - the thought is gross to me.
In fact, I cant remember being a young boy and deciding that I would prefer girls. I just did.
How do you see homosexuality spreading among hetrosexuals? We're not at all inclined to that, are we?
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Being the sin is a choice I stand behind my statement: The more the behavior is legitimize the worse it will get and drag others into the pit of filth…
The fact that homosexuality is a reality says that some are inclined and when the authority gives the OK for the behavior is makes it worse.... It empowers those who are being sinful which cannot be a good thing.. Not everyone is as strong as you in regards to the temptation...
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Now I realise that as a Christian you have strong convictions about sin - that being said, how can I be strong against a temptation that isn't there?
Seriously. I have nothing against gays, but I just dont swing that way, and no matter of rights on their side will change that.
Of course someone could be secretly a gay, but then the sin-issue would be there no matter if they engage in it or not.
If I understand the New Testament correctly, sin becomes sin when it enters the heart, not when acted out.
I'm not strong- I'm just not tempted.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/23/2008 6:23:31 AM
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SovereignIsHe, from what I can tell...it isn't so much about reinforcing their homosexuality as much as it is about creating a safe environment for them to live in. By safe, I don't mean from from any Christianity...but instead free from verbal and physical abuse. And by verbal abuse, I don't mean someone mentioning that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible...I'm talking about homophobic slurs. The principal of the school said in his statement that their sexual education is abstinence based. Maybe the club being created can help them create a curriculum that encourages homosexuals to be abstinent as well. In my personal experience with homosexuals I've known, those that were the most sexually active seemed to be doing it as a reaction to what they've been told. What they've been told being that they are sexually depraved and can think of nothing but where their next sexual fix is coming from. So instead of railing against that stereotype, they fulfill it. That certainly does not excuse their actions in any way, as they should have the brains enough to realize what would be best for them, and shouldn't let other people determine how they live.
I didn't mean to imply that you would be for homosexuals being injured. If you read that into what I said, I apologize...that wasn't my intention. I agree with what you said about salvation being cut short, I probably didn't explain what I meant well. It's a difficult situation...if we do nothing to stop homophobia, then people are going to be murdered before they ever have the chance to live. While if we say everything is great, then we run the course of denying Christ ourselves. We have to find some sort of balance where we're not contributing to their decision to stay away from Jesus, but also making sure there is a safe environment for them to live without being persecuted by their peers. I don't think Christians are to blame for the homophobia in South Carolina, but I think they have contributed some. It's a mixture of things, no one group or culture is to blame.
Homophobia in SC has affected everyone, not just homosexuals in particular. I have even been subject to it, and I'm just a normal guy! There have been many times when a simple trip to the gas station for me has resulted in people driving by and shouting homophobic slurs at me. This has happened to many people I know, who are definitely heterosexual. It affects women as much as it affects men here. Things have to change, for the physical safety of everyone, heterosexual and homosexual alike. In that respect, I think the club is a good idea.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/23/2008 8:47:53 PM
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Now I realise that as a Christian you have strong convictions about sin - that being said, how can I be strong against a temptation that isn't there?
Seriously. I have nothing against gays, but I just dont swing that way, and no matter of rights on their side will change that.
The grace of God renders the temptation in regards to you null and void... That's wonderful.... Yet that's not the case for everyone...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/23/2008 8:55:32 PM
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SovereignIsHe, from what I can tell...it isn't so much about reinforcing their homosexuality as much as it is about creating a safe environment for them to live in. By safe, I don't mean from from any Christianity...but instead free from verbal and physical abuse. And by verbal abuse, I don't mean someone mentioning that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible...I'm talking about homophobic slurs. The principal of the school said in his statement that their sexual education is abstinence based. Maybe the club being created can help them create a curriculum that encourages homosexuals to be abstinent as well. In my personal experience with homosexuals I've known, those that were the most sexually active seemed to be doing it as a reaction to what they've been told. What they've been told being that they are sexually depraved and can think of nothing but where their next sexual fix is coming from. So instead of railing against that stereotype, they fulfill it. That certainly does not excuse their actions in any way, as they should have the brains enough to realize what would be best for them, and shouldn't let other people determine how they live.
I didn't mean to imply that you would be for homosexuals being injured. If you read that into what I said, I apologize...that wasn't my intention. I agree with what you said about salvation being cut short, I probably didn't explain what I meant well. It's a difficult situation...if we do nothing to stop homophobia, then people are going to be murdered before they ever have the chance to live. While if we say everything is great, then we run the course of denying Christ ourselves. We have to find some sort of balance where we're not contributing to their decision to stay away from Jesus, but also making sure there is a safe environment for them to live without being persecuted by their peers. I don't think Christians are to blame for the homophobia in South Carolina, but I think they have contributed some. It's a mixture of things, no one group or culture is to blame.
Homophobia in SC has affected everyone, not just homosexuals in particular. I have even been subject to it, and I'm just a normal guy! There have been many times when a simple trip to the gas station for me has resulted in people driving by and shouting homophobic slurs at me. This has happened to many people I know, who are definitely heterosexual. It affects women as much as it affects men here. Things have to change, for the physical safety of everyone, heterosexual and homosexual alike. In that respect, I think the club is a good idea.
The bottom line... The club is sinful... No debate, and sin doesn't beget grace... The only true hope for homosexual teenagers is the Truth of Jesus Christ. The club might appease the situation on the surface, but the eternal issue regarding the souls of those children is grave and not because they are in danger of man(being sinful), but of what can destroy the body and soul, that being God... They should worry more about what God is going to do in regards to their lifestyle than any man and the club by nature isn't going to lead them in that direction, in fact it will hinder it...
Btw... I didn't get that you were implying anything I just wanted to make myself clear that I do not support people being beaten down for any reason...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/24/2008 8:11:40 AM
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The club is very sinful. I know someone who was in a prayer group with this principal. You have to ask yourself, however. What extracurricular purpose would this club serve in the High School? Does it help with grades? Does it help with drama? Does it help with a vocation? I can't think of any reason for this club to exist other than to promote "tolerance". It should be forbidden that Christian clubs could exist, but if a Homosexual club is formed, then by all means, let it be formed. Tolerance works both ways, you know. I can tolerate homosexuals, but I'm not going to agree with their lifestyle and I will be vocal about it. There is no reason for this club to be formed other than just to cause division and to "expose" the perceived intolerance. Homosexuality exists for the express purpose of sex in general.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/24/2008 8:54:25 AM
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There are Christian clubs in high schools here. And as far as I know, kids also gather in the mornings to pray and sing p&w songs with acoustic guitars. I can't remember the name of the Christian club...has something to do with Christian athletes, I believe. TheoCentric, these are student-run clubs...so this "perceived intolerance" is coming from the students in these situations...not some geezer with no clue of what's going on. It's all about creating a safe environment...imagine if you were a mother/father to a gay teenager who was killed for that reason alone?
SovereignIsHe, what you're saying is very ideal...but these kids are never going to come to know Jesus if they're dead.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/24/2008 10:40:56 AM
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Seriously. I have nothing against gays,
Neither do I WormHeart, they are just as the rest of the unsaaved in the world; sinning and trying to justify that sin.
All they need is to accept Christ and the salvation, sanctification that it brings.
The only difference is they chose homosexuality as their sin of choice and others choose something else from the buttet of satan.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/24/2008 11:20:15 AM
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SovereignIsHe, what you're saying is very ideal...but these kids are never going to come to know Jesus if they're dead.
Death by the hand of man isn't their biggest problem given their chosen lifestyle is nothing short of spiritual suicide... Their own sin is worst enemy, not even the worst homophobe can send them to hell... Saving their life which is liken to a vapor is very shortsighted and hardly a victory given in the process you are reinforcing the very things that is killing them forever…
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/24/2008 1:19:54 PM
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SovereignIsHe, I think our conversation has ceased to make progress. I do agree with you that it's a temporary solution to a permanent problem. But...at least they will still be alive, albeit temporarily...there will still chances for them to accept Christ. It might seem to make it a little harder, but it's impossible when they're deceased. It's a sticky situation, no matter what stance we take it's not really going to help things in the end...the most we can do is carry our own weight in this, pray, and trust in God for the opportunities to arise for these kids to recognize truth for what it is, not turning their backs on it.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/25/2008 10:00:35 AM
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"No deception, no matter how skilled or sophisticated, can hide the devastation caused by the sexual revolution and its radical wing, the gay rights movement. Broken homes, child abuse, abortion and AIDS are the inevitable result of a false view of sexual morality." — Michael S. Heath
Militant homosexuals are shutting down free speech. They've been targeting speakers, workshops, and conferences. Basically any event where a conservative view on homosexuality is presented by a speaker, or discussed/debated during a workshop is fair game. Gritty "gay" radicals are troubled that people will hear the conservative side of the argument that says, "gays can change." In the last month several news sources reported that some "gays" and lesbians intent on muzzling free speech have started rioting. Once they've taken over, "queer activists" march around clapping, screaming, beating on pots and pans and chanting at the top of their lungs, "We're here, we're queer. Get used to it!" and "H--l no, we won't go!" Case in point: On April 29 a group of apoplectic lesbians burst into a room where Ryan Sorba was giving a speech. A pro-family action group in Massachusetts, Mass Resistance, described what ensued approximately 15 minutes into Sorba's speech:
"Dozens of lesbian activists at Smith College climbed in through windows and stormed the podium in a riot scene shortly after Ryan Sorba began a speech on his upcoming book, The Born Gay Hoax. The melee forced an end to the speech before a packed hall in the library on the Northampton campus. Uniformed police officers and a plainclothes security guard were in the room but mostly just stood and watched. Rather than take action against the rioters, the officers and a university official walked to the podium and ordered Sorba to leave the room 'for his own safety.'" [1] (View the chilling video here http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html)
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/25/2008 10:05:29 AM
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IMHO these gsa clubs are more about trying to break down the belief that homosexuality is wrong. If they are centered around bullying, why concentrate on the sexual orientation instead of all bullying in schools? It's a subterfuge.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/25/2008 5:43:54 PM
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SovereignIsHe, I think our conversation has ceased to make progress. I do agree with you that it's a temporary solution to a permanent problem.
The idea that evil will promote good is a fallacy... That is where progress ceases...
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But...at least they will still be alive, albeit temporarily...there will still chances for them to accept Christ.
We must be clear on one thing... God numbers a man's day... So the above is really without substance... Fearing man more than God is a far greater problem than bigots...
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It might seem to make it a little harder, but it's impossible when they're deceased.
Might seem? No... It will....Period...
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It's a sticky situation, no matter what stance we take it's not really going to help things in the end...
The above denies the word of God in the sense that you don't believe the right way to do things is, well the right way... You believe going the wrong way will somehow bring about good...
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the most we can do is carry our own weight in this, pray, and trust in God for the opportunities to arise for these kids to recognize truth for what it is, not turning their backs on it.
Trust in God? Your faith is in the gay club to protect them not God...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/26/2008 12:29:27 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080525/lf_nm_life/brazil_gays_dc_1
" More than a million gays and transsexuals paraded in Brazil's business capital Sao Paulo on Sunday in what was billed as the world's largest gay march to urge an end to violence and discrimination. "
Man. What's the percentage of gays in US?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/26/2008 3:15:37 AM
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I would doubt those numbers. The folks supporting them always exaggerate the numbers.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/26/2008 4:22:57 AM
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I'm gonna exit the conversation now. Not because I'm afraid I'll visit the realm of TOS violation, or that I can't defend my views. Neither of us are going to sway with our opinions. There's not much of a point in talking until we're blue in the face about it, when it will change nothing. More important things to do in this world. The only thing I could ask of you is to not give up on these people. Even if everything homosexuals are fighting for happens, don't give up. They have enough people giving up on them, and God could just as easily save them as anyone else.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/26/2008 10:01:00 AM
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I'm gonna exit the conversation now. Not because I'm afraid I'll visit the realm of TOS violation, or that I can't defend my views. Neither of us are going to sway with our opinions. There's not much of a point in talking until we're blue in the face about it, when it will change nothing. More important things to do in this world. The only thing I could ask of you is to not give up on these people. Even if everything homosexuals are fighting for happens, don't give up. They have enough people giving up on them, and God could just as easily save them as anyone else.
We serve a gracious God, and he does not give up on sinners (including homosexuals), in the hope that they will repent of their sins and accept the Lord Jesus. So I don't give up on that possibility either, just as I do not give up on anyone else who has chosen to live a life of sin and reject Christ.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/26/2008 10:14:16 AM
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Man. What's the percentage of gays in US?
That is a greatly debated subject.
It seems (to me at least) that the 3-4% of males, and 1 1/2 % of females seems to be accurate.
Now Portland Ore. claim a 12 1/2 percent in their town, and probably so, and probably even higher in San Francisco, but nation wide I think the 3% number is probably most accurate.
The problem with reports such as;
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" More than a million gays and transsexuals paraded in Brazil's business capital Sao Paulo on Sunday in what was billed as the world's largest gay march to urge an end to violence and discrimination. "
is that they are misleading if not downright false.
There may have been a million folks marching, but that number would include straights that support gay rights, and just folks wanting to party in a parade (Sao Paulo is a mafor party town). It certainly does not mean that everyone in the parade is gay.
Also, Sao Paulo has a metropolitian population of well over 20 million people, so run the percentages for yourself.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/27/2008 11:13:55 AM
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The only difference is they chose homosexuality as their sin of choice and others choose something else from the buttet of satan.
"buttet" . . . ????
Does "choosing something else from the buttet of satan" include things like gluttony?
I find it odd and rather hypocritical that rotund preachers like John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, and a host of gross non-celebs can point their accusatory fingers at homosexuals while nearly caving in their platforms because their out-of-control eating habits have made them so terribly overweight.
This in itself does not excuse homosexuality, but you opened a door here . . .
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/27/2008 2:23:25 PM
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Does "choosing something else from the buttet of satan" include things like gluttony?
I find it odd and rather hypocritical that rotund preachers like John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, and a host of gross non-celebs can point their accusatory fingers at homosexuals while nearly caving in their platforms because their out-of-control eating habits have made them so terribly overweight.
It would include any sin, but you should study the Scripture a dab more. Gluttony refers to excesses, not to one being at sone idealistic non'Biblical designated weight or body shape.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/28/2008 11:10:24 AM
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It has always been the understood and operational definition; it wasn’t necessary to codify it until recently.
Since, by your own admission, it wasn't codified until recently, then how do you know that it has "always been the understood and operational definition?"
Where's your evidence of this universal, uncodified definition?
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Not necessarily in it’s application.
That doesn't matter. In essence, the only "protected class" in America are the rich.
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Well in this case, it appears that a special right to marry people of the same sex has been extended to them as a class
And how does this fit the definition of a "protected class?"
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Sorry, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the courts; they are there to apply laws and Constitutional protections – both are derived from the ‘will of the people’.
Wrong. The "will of the people" did not draft the Constitution, nor are our fundamental laws a matter of vox populi. There are rules and laws by which we must abide without a voice in the matter.
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There is nothing wrong with entities influencing the will of the people – the NFL didn’t abrogate any right of the people or put unlawful pressure on the people of Arizona, like threatening to blow up Tucson.
Nonetheless, the offical observance of MLK Jr. Day as a holiday was in direct violation of the "will of the people" of the great state of Arizona, yet somehow we have managed to survive it.
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But that is not what the court did, which was to actually subvert the expressed will of the people of California with no basis in either the Constitution of law.
Yet, had they upheld the ban on gay marriage, I'll bet you would not be decrying them "overstepping their bounds" by making a ruling that you approved of, now would you.
Like I said before, when it comes to the courts' "proper role," we pick and choose according to our liking. That is blatantly apparent here.
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The Supreme Court roles in terms of deciding constitutional issues based on constitutional clauses is pretty well established; and in this case it was the product of the equal protection clause of the Constitution – and the court in this case did not overturn a clear legislation mandated by the will of the people.
What they did was something unprecedented in Supreme Court history, thereby making it incumbent upon the Court to express that they were not setting precedent by getting involved in the election. Iow, they knew that they were over-stepping their bounds at the time and they did not want to see it repeated in the future.
But, again, when the outcome is to your liking, then what is there to complain about-- right?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/28/2008 10:48:13 PM
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Since, by your own admission, it wasn't codified until recently, then how do you know that it has "always been the understood and operational definition?"
Where's your evidence of this universal, uncodified definition?
If there has ever been any other definition of marriage in the US, I have not seen it. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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That doesn't matter. In essence, the only "protected class" in America are the rich.
Well, that would be the Marxist view.
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And how does this fit the definition of a "protected class?"
A protected class legally is simply one to whom equal protection laws are applied simply because one belongs to a particular group to whom those laws, derived either from the Constitution or Federal or state legislation, are applied.
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Wrong. The "will of the people" did not draft the Constitution, nor are our fundamental laws a matter of vox populi. There are rules and laws by which we must abide without a voice in the matter.
You seem to be confusing the will of the people with catering to every whim of every person; the Constitution and the laws that exist do so primarily as a result of our consent and the ratification through elected representatives - this is how we best express that will. Judges have no rights to overturn such laws arbitrarily.
Interestingly though, the California law was as close to a product of 'vox populi' as any law gets in our country.
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Nonetheless, the offical observance of MLK Jr. Day as a holiday was in direct violation of the "will of the people" of the great state of Arizona, yet somehow we have managed to survive it.
Again, there seems to be some confusion; there was no law against observing MLK day, so the NFL was abrogating the will of the people.
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Yet, had they upheld the ban on gay marriage, I'll bet you would not be decrying them "overstepping their bounds" by making a ruling that you approved of, now would you.
Like I said before, when it comes to the courts' "proper role," we pick and choose according to our liking. That is blatantly apparent here.
First off, I would actually have no problem with a state voting to do something not specifically forbidden by the Constitution. If Californians want to become the sodomy of the West, that is their prerogative; but it shouldn't be imposed on them by seven judges.
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What they did was something unprecedented in Supreme Court history, thereby making it incumbent upon the Court to express that they were not setting precedent by getting involved in the election. Iow, they knew that they were over-stepping their bounds at the time and they did not want to see it repeated in the future.
But, again, when the outcome is to your liking, then what is there to complain about-- right?
I really don't think the Constitution should ever be reduced to what anyone like or dislikes; the court acted according to the laws before it, as all courts should.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/28/2008 11:28:56 PM
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Now it's EX-'gays' getting pummeled
Verbal to violent, attacks rise against former homosexuals
Posted: May 27, 2008
10:09 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Homosexual activist groups long have denied that ex-"gays" exist and have charged those ministries that work with the needs of those desiring to leave the lifestyle are fraudulent. One such activist even recently attributed the crime of rape to the "sickness" of the ex-"gay" movement.
But some attacks on those who have left the lifestyle, or are trying to, go far beyond verbal denigration, according to those who have experienced it, including Joe and Marion Allen. Their son Bart was in the process of leaving the homosexual lifestyle in 2001 when the "gay" with whom he'd shared an apartment strangled and killed him.
The Allens now run a ministry called Hope for the Broken Heart and they have spoken at conferences for the ex-"gay" ministry Exodus International simply because they cannot be silent about the tragedy in their family, and they want to help others avoid a similar result.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/29/2008 10:02:07 AM
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1dblthnk02
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
If there has ever been any other definition of marriage in the US, I have not seen it. Feel free to prove me wrong.
I didn't say that there was "any other definition." I challenged you to prove that there was any at all; you prove yourself wrong by failing to do this.
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Well, that would be the Marxist view.
Did Marx ever actually call the rich a protected class of citizen?
Not that it matters . . .
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A protected class legally is simply one to whom equal protection laws are applied simply because one belongs to a particular group to whom those laws, derived either from the Constitution or Federal or state legislation, are applied.
Only as it relates to employment. Marriage is another matter.
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Judges have no rights to overturn such laws arbitrarily.
Actually, they do. What is the definition of "arbitrarily," Jhud?
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Interestingly though, the California law was as close to a product of 'vox populi' as any law gets in our country.
I agree. That doesn't automatically mean that the courts can't overturn it.
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Again, there seems to be some confusion; there was no law against observing MLK day, so the NFL was abrogating the will of the people.
Read your comment again: I don't think that you meant to say this . . .
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First off, I would actually have no problem with a state voting to do something not specifically forbidden by the Constitution.
Are you talking the U.S. Constitution? Where is the California decision "forbidden" in the U.S. Constitution?
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If Californians want to become the sodomy of the West, that is their prerogative; but it shouldn't be imposed on them by seven judges.
Allowing non-heteros to marry makes California the "Sodom of the West?"
Wow. You make marriage seem so dirty . . .
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I really don't think the Constitution should ever be reduced to what anyone like or dislikes.
Sure you do. Your concern is not really the "proper role of the courts."
I'll ask you again, Jhud-- and I would like an answer this time:
Would you have not complained that the courts over-stepped their bounds if they had made the decision that you agreed with?
< Message edited by 1dblthnk02 -- 5/29/2008 10:10:25 AM >
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 5/29/2008 11:33:07 AM
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Jhud
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I didn't say that there was "any other definition." I challenged you to prove that there was any at all; you prove yourself wrong by failing to do this.
Actually, you are the one making the fantastic claim; the burden is on you to demonstrate that US law has ever operated in any other manner. Obviously, there would be no need for judges to change definitions if the commonly accepted definitions weren’t already in place.
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Only as it relates to employment. Marriage is another matter.
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