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Brooke313 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/26/2007 3:31:57 PM)

I just read a great book on this subject. "Why Christians Can't Trust Psychology" By Ed Bulkley. It is very informative on the subject of psychology and mental health.



agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/27/2007 3:15:23 AM)

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I just read a great book on this subject. "Why Christians Can't Trust Psychology" By Ed Bulkley. It is very informative on the subject of psychology and mental health.

I've not read the book, but it sounds as though it's not trusting of psychology ~ I hope it provides some answers as to what people do instead of mearly letting them drown...

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I've heard the whole "bipolar=demon possesion excuse." I've also heard that the science of psychology is satan-induced. Well, that makes a lot of sense, seeing as how when I began praying for a way out, I was able to seek counciling and medication that lessened my symptoms and I began loving life and God again. So yeah...guess that makes me anti-Christian, huh?
Me too[:D] I guess I'm not the only ant-Christian Christian then[;)][:D]



DontBefraidtocare -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/27/2007 3:46:37 AM)

Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.



womaninchrist -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/27/2007 9:45:14 AM)

People can fake other illnesses too, does that make all medicine "like shamanism"? And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.



rene32261 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/27/2007 10:39:53 AM)

I cant began to beleive people fake mental illness.If you ever live it you will never began to thin of faking it.



rene32261 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/27/2007 10:41:00 AM)

think sorry spelling not great this morning..



agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/28/2007 7:08:23 AM)

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Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
I rather suspect that people who 'faked' mental illness to be put into an institution must have had some mental illness to want to go into an institution.

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And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.
Nor me[&:]



DenimDiva -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/28/2007 8:50:41 PM)

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Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
I rather suspect that people who 'faked' mental illness to be put into an institution must have had some mental illness to want to go into an institution.

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And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.
Nor me[&:]


I agree on both counts!



agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/29/2007 4:16:14 AM)

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Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
I rather suspect that people who 'faked' mental illness to be put into an institution must have had some mental illness to want to go into an institution.

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And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.
Nor me[&:]


I agree on both counts!

A debate thread where people are agreeing????

Gotta be something wrong with us if we're agreeing on something!

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DenimDiva -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/29/2007 12:35:29 PM)

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Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
I rather suspect that people who 'faked' mental illness to be put into an institution must have had some mental illness to want to go into an institution.

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And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.
Nor me[&:]


I agree on both counts!

A debate thread where people are agreeing????

Gotta be something wrong with us if we're agreeing on something!

[:D]


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MyCatSmokey2006 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/29/2007 9:49:22 PM)

Well maybe we could debate on a different topic, how about that? [:D]

One issue I have is medical professionals' treatment of the mentally ill as if the latter group are stupid and don't know anything. One example I can think of occurred when my last pdoc prescribed me a antidepressant which caused me to have MORE suicidal thoughts instead of decreasing them. I tried to tell him about it, but he kept increasing the dosage, saying that I just needed to "use better coping skills." [:@] I tried to tell him that I was using my coping skills, but he didn't listen to me. He thought he knew everything because he's a pdoc, but really he didn't know you know what. It took several hospitalizations and pdocs before I found one who actually listened to me and prescribed me the medication that continues to help me to this day.

There are other times that someone treated me like an dummy because I have mental illness, but right now I can't think of any. Does anyone else think that this shouldn't be happening as I do?



Grick -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/30/2007 1:18:14 AM)

I have heard of this attitude towards patients but my experience has been generally positive. Of course, I have a number of health problems and have heard both positive and negative things about all sorts of doctors.



agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (9/30/2007 11:24:30 AM)

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One issue I have is medical professionals' treatment of the mentally ill as if the latter group are stupid and don't know anything.

There are other times that someone treated me like an dummy because I have mental illness, but right now I can't think of any. Does anyone else think that this shouldn't be happening as I do?
Not all medical professionals think this way. But it shouldn't be happening.



HeSustains -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (10/8/2007 10:34:51 PM)

I am a MD (not a psychiatrist) and have considerable understanding of mental diseases, and I also have the personal experience of having a 31 y/o son who was diagnosed with bipolar disease, and another son who struggled with depression since his teens until he took his own life at the age of 26 one year ago. Bipolar disease and clinical depression are similar in that they are both the result of a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is just as much a medical disease as diabetes or hypertension.
Some people with these diseases can be helped through medication, some require counseling, and some require both. Unfortunately, many such as the son that I lost, are incapable of realizing that the depression they feel is not normal, and as a result refuse treatment and hide their feelings of despair. Their depression is sometimes expressed as irritability or anger, as well as withdrawal from others. It is sometimes easy for loved ones of someone suffering from depression to ignore the signals, when the individual affected has learned to hide his sense of despair.
After my son's death I found a journal he had written several years earlier, at a time in which he was not outwardly depressed. Several of the journal entries revealed his depression and sense of despair. But the comforting message that I received from his journal was that although in life he had not acknowledged Jesus as his savior, his journal made it quite clear that he had. Because of his depression, he felt that he could not live up to expectations of others, and so was unable to tell others of his faith.
We are all subject to the risk of medical or mental problems as a result of our physical existence. Just as God does not always heal physical diseases, He does not always heal mental disease as well. I cannot comprehend why my son was not healed of his depression as I had prayed, but I know in the end that God is in control as He gave me comfort in the discovery that my son had indeed accepted Jesus as his savior.
My prayer is that anyone who suffers from depression seek treatment and that loved ones of those so afflilcted encourage treatment so that the one who is suffering can know the love of others and the love of God.



DenimDiva -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (10/9/2007 6:17:53 PM)

HeSustains- I am so very sorry to hear about your loss!



cow451 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (10/29/2007 1:22:47 PM)

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I cant began to beleive people fake mental illness.If you ever live it you will never began to thin of faking it.


Why would anybody want to fake mental illness, LOL? So you can go to a psych hospital????????????? Now, maybe if you had killed somebody, OK. But the insanity defense is the least likely defense to succeed.



FoxInSox -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/2/2007 8:02:29 PM)

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this....but...here goes...

Those of you who are anti-counseling (secular or otherwise), I'm curious about something.

Suppose someone comes to you with a problem like depressions (the extensive, long term, kind) or anxiety (perhaps the kind that keeps one trapped in one's home, like agorophobia) or suicidal ideation.

What is your ideal advice? What is your ideal treatment?

Thanks,
Michelle



Closie -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/2/2007 8:10:44 PM)

There are charlatans and false teachers in all walks of life therefore in all institutions. All physicians aren't good. Nor are all preachers or singers or policeman or hairdressers. We have to use discernment when seeking assistance.

I thank God for my Chrisitan Ob/Gyn. A group of Christian women formed the practice. In their mission statement, they explain that they will not give contraception to unmarried women, they will not perform abortion or provide abortion counseling, and they won't fake medical excuses for a person to be off work. A friend was having fertility problems and was referred to someone for in-vitro who only implants three eggs at the most so there won't leftover embryos (may have my terms wrong). When I was facing surgery that was going to mark a major change in my life, my doctor suggested talking to a Christian counselor. I went to a seminary and was served by a counseling student who was supervised by licensed personnel. She didn't babysit me nor was I dependent on her to make a move. I was depressed about the condition. Her goal was to help me come to grips with God's plan for my life. Each session began and ended with prayer that the Lord would lead both us as He saw fit: her to say the right words; me to accept His words and plans.

BTW, malingering is not a term used just with mental illness
I read about a case of a guy who pretended to have a hearing problem so that he'd some workmen's comp money. Stupid of him. In another case, a nurse who had Alzheimers, early onset, pretended that the Alzheimers was worse than it was so that she could say some ugly things to people around her. Mental illness may be faked by some, but like Alz or deafness, it's real in the lives of so many people who love the Lord.



womaninchrist -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/2/2007 10:31:15 PM)

Discernment is ultimately the key. I've had much better luck getting good counseling (or psychiatric care) in line with Biblical guidelines by going to secular providers and filtering it myself than by going specifically to Christian psychiatrists and counselors. It was just baffling the unbiblical stuff or unsound medical advice that some of the "christian" counselors counseled... Never, ever presume that you're getting sound & Biblical counseling (or medical care) just because the provider states they're Christian.



cow451 -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/3/2007 1:37:29 PM)

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Discernment is ultimately the key. I've had much better luck getting good counseling (or psychiatric care) in line with Biblical guidelines by going to secular providers and filtering it myself than by going specifically to Christian psychiatrists and counselors. It was just baffling the unbiblical stuff or unsound medical advice that some of the "christian" counselors counseled... Never, ever presume that you're getting sound & Biblical counseling (or medical care) just because the provider states they're Christian.


Sad but soooooooooooooooooooooooo true.



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FoxInSox -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/5/2007 5:30:54 PM)

deadhead,

when you say your wife had that, did she suffer from all of the above or some or one of the examples? which one (that's mostly curiousity).

now, what of the people who have said problems who ARE already beleivers? what is your advice for them?

thanks,
michelle



agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/7/2007 5:07:02 AM)

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when you say your wife had that, did she suffer from all of the above or some or one of the examples? which one (that's mostly curiousity).
I assumed he was talking about being trapped in one's home since that was the one in bold.



FoxInSox -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/7/2007 9:15:24 AM)

agapetos,

lol @ me...thanks :)



SteveSund -> RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread (12/7/2007 9:46:49 AM)

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BTW, malingering is not a term used just with mental illness
I read about a case of a guy who pretended to have a hearing problem so that he'd some workmen's comp money. Stupid of him. In another case, a nurse who had Alzheimers, early onset, pretended that the Alzheimers was worse than it was so that she could say some ugly things to people around her. Mental illness may be faked by some, but like Alz or deafness, it's real in the lives of so many people who love the Lord.


People fake illnesses all of the time to collect disability or prevail in a lawsuit. Having worked in the mental health field, I saw plenty that tried to claim a mental disability. Fortunately, they rarely won. I have no doubt that a person could fake a mental illness, but it wouldn't be easy, IMO.



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