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Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, and Support (read OP for poll question)
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/20/2008 8:37:13 PM
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FAM her too.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/20/2008 11:08:19 PM
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I thought that Catholics were ok with conception control? Wouldn't using a condom be the same as abstaining? But, I don't know much about the specifics of Catholic beliefs 
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/20/2008 11:22:36 PM
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RIR can correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not Catholic and haven't ever been), but I'm pretty sure that barriers aren't favorable because one is, well, using a barrier. It's cheating, in a way - getting the pleasure without being open to life. You're actively preventing the possibility of conception.
The book, "The Art of Natural Family Planning" has a chapter on this topic.
(Personally, what I have read of the view strikes me as a bit of doublespeak. I mean, you're supposedly "not open to life" by using barriers, but isn't abstaining when fertile and only coming together when you know you're not fertile also not being open to life? But that's probably a subject for a new thread since this is a NFP/FAM support thread.)
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/20/2008 11:32:48 PM
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(Personally, what I have read of the view strikes me as a bit of doublespeak. I mean, you're supposedly "not open to life" by using barriers, but isn't abstaining when fertile and only coming together when you know you're not fertile also not being open to life? But that's probably a subject for a new thread since this is a NFP/FAM support thread.)
That was kinda what I was thinking... Maybe I will check out "The Art of Natural Family Planning" from the Library, I only have TCOYF.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 11:07:16 AM
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RIR can correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not Catholic and haven't ever been), but I'm pretty sure that barriers aren't favorable because one is, well, using a barrier. It's cheating, in a way - getting the pleasure without being open to life. You're actively preventing the possibility of conception.
The book, "The Art of Natural Family Planning" has a chapter on this topic.
(Personally, what I have read of the view strikes me as a bit of doublespeak. I mean, you're supposedly "not open to life" by using barriers, but isn't abstaining when fertile and only coming together when you know you're not fertile also not being open to life? But that's probably a subject for a new thread since this is a NFP/FAM support thread.)
That's what I remember from teh book as well. (And I personally agree with you too.)
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 11:08:04 AM
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You're actively preventing the possibility of conception.
(Personally, what I have read of the view strikes me as a bit of doublespeak. I mean, you're supposedly "not open to life" by using barriers, but isn't abstaining when fertile and only coming together when you know you're not fertile also not being open to life? But that's probably a subject for a new thread since this is a NFP/FAM support thread.)
That is correct. On you second point; very valid. The way I see it though is that yes you are still open to life, however there is something foolish (IMO) to carelessly having sex during the fertile times when you are not in a position to afford or properly take care of the children you will come to have. (not sure if I am explaining this properly) During those fertile times, there are other things a couple can do to maintain "intimacy" in their marriage emotionally and mentally not just physically.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 1:20:23 PM
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Using a condom during fertile time= preventing conception
Abstaining during fertile time= preventing conception
So why is abstaining better then using a condom? Either way you are doing the same thing...
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 1:52:28 PM
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Using a condom during fertile time= preventing conception
Abstaining during fertile time= preventing conception
So why is abstaining better then using a condom? Either way you are doing the same thing...
Using a condom prevents conception and still gives pleasure of the physical act of intimacy. Abstaining gives neither the plesure nor the conception.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 2:31:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
Using a condom during fertile time= preventing conception
Abstaining during fertile time= preventing conception
So why is abstaining better then using a condom? Either way you are doing the same thing...
Using a condom prevents conception and still gives pleasure of the physical act of intimacy. Abstaining gives neither the plesure nor the conception.
Well, yeah. I know that  I was wondering more from the Catholic NFP point of view, I guess.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 2:43:23 PM
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Using a condom during fertile time= preventing conception
Abstaining during fertile time= preventing conception
So why is abstaining better then using a condom? Either way you are doing the same thing...
The Church's official teaching is that contraceptives are anything artificial or medical that are meant to prevent God's natural order of procreation. If you are practicing NFP you are still (IMO) working in God's natural order and not purposefully stopping it by using contraceptives.
As far as abstaining equalling prevention of conception. Yes the odds are against pregnancy happening at that time, but you are still open to life by not using any artifical or medical barriers during that time and you are in line with God's natural order/time line.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 3:12:10 PM
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Yes the odds are against pregnancy happening at that time, but you are still open to life by not using any artifical or medical barriers during that time and you are in line with God's natural order/time line.
however if God made the body to want sex at that time, then isn't it going against God's natural order of things to abstain completely during that time when He made your body to want it?
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 3:22:26 PM
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Sure, should we start a thread or take it to kicka or is there a onestop?
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 3:23:49 PM
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Yeah, sorry to hijack the thread. Let me know if something opens up.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 3:26:18 PM
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There's no one stop, but this COULD fit in with the quiver full threads.
Feel free to go to one of those or start a new thread.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/21/2008 9:01:10 PM
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To completely break away from this NFP vs. FAM talk, I'm on CD 11, and I've had the WORST two weeks of my LIFE: cold/flu (and now migraine!!?!) during the very end of the most stressful college semester ever. I've had TONS of mucus, and I'm not talking about my sinuses. I'm just assuming that my body's been on mucus production overload, but I wanted to ask if that was normal.
I also just want to say that I am SO EXCITED about using FAM when we get married!! I don't know why, but it makes me really happy to know that we're going to be working with the way God made our bodies.
I know my fiance has mentioned a few times that he was nervous about the efficacy of FAM, and I finally admitted that I was afraid he would "blame" me or be really upset if we got pregnant before grad school is done. He wrapped me up in his arms and said "Why in the world would I ever be disappointed to know that we made a baby together? Being pregnant is a reason to rejoice and praise God for new life." I love him!  (Also, he doubts condoms will be strong enough to prevent his manly contributions from doing their job...! ha. )
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 7:05:28 AM
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You know, I've seen time and time again, there is only one way to keep from getting pregnant, no sex. Pills, shots, surgeries, even abstaining at what is thought to be the fertile time, one can get pregnant. If God wants it to happen, He can bypass all our worldly wisdom. I've heard of sperm lasting longer than the 5 days, it's rare, but I've heard of it. And these women know it for sure, hubby was away for a month on business, etc... In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps. Prov 16:9
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 7:44:26 AM
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Kathryn,
That was the verse that we always talked about in conjuction with our "family planning." My fiance has really come a long way. Before I mentioned something about it, he'd never heard the word abortifacient and had no idea bcp had so many side effects -- and his dad is a pro-life politician! His younger sister is a married christian who is having a miserable time with her bcp's and insists they aren't having kids for 10 years. His parents think you need up to a decade of couple time to have a solid marriage before kids. I think that mindset is really sad.  Thanks for the encouragement. Also, one of my best friends got pregnant on her bcp's after 6 months of marriage. We just saw her this weekend, and I think it cemented what I was saying about that verse for my fiance. She thought she "couldn't afford" a baby, but they are making it work because they have no choice in the matter now! You can tell it's hard, but they are excited.
Every week my fiance says something that sounds more and more like the attitude my mom raised me to have -- that sometimes it seems prudent to plan or space things in a certain way but babies are always blessings and God is always in control of it.
We just decided we aren't telling our friends and family our ideas about when to have kids. We're telling everyone who asks that we believe our lives are always in God's hands and we'll let them know when it finally happens! I used to be really worried that his parents would sit us down and tell us what a bad idea it was to have kids too "early," but now I feel really confident that my fiance and I are on the same page about everything and it isn't a my family's ideas vs. his family's ideas. 
I am pretty sure I ovulated last night because I felt the twinge, but I have only taken my temperature once from being so sick last week. I think I'm just not going to chart this month. I have the last week of classes and then finals before me, and I just don't think it will be worth it. All my NFP/FAM friends (I convinced 2 other girls to try it!) are doing the same thing. We're not getting married until July so I'm sure I'll be able to jump back on the charting bandwagon after graduation.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 7:55:36 AM
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Kathryn, great post.
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His parents think you need up to a decade of couple time to have a solid marriage before kids.
LOL! Next January, we'll be married 10 years, and have 5 kids. I daresay our children have been a powerful incentive to work toward a solid marriage (we had a very very rough first three years). I don't think we'd still be married if we didn't have kids, not that we stayed together FOR the kids, if that makes sense... Anyway, having children, whether in your timing or God's alone, will bring out selfishness in you that you never thought was there, and force you to deal with it. That can work to unify you in marriage too!
I think it's wonderful you are learning about your body so much before you are married, AND that you're open to God overriding your plans.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 11:01:34 AM
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When I was first learning NFP/FAM, my then husband was also very nervous. So nervous in fact that I felt he would also blame me for any pregnancies we might encounter. I took it very personally that he didn't trust it. HE didn't want me to go off the pill, even though the pill was having massive side effects for me, the least of being an awful attitude problem. One thing he was really concerned about was that the Art of NFP was written by lay-men, not doctors. So he didn't trust what they were saying about the female body and reproduction and such. Without going into the details of our fights, lets just say that I had a lot frustration sharing with him how it worked.
He finally turned around and he was at least comfortable enough to try it. In the beginning he was super careful and used condoms when I wasn't fertile and we obstained completely when i was. He started to loosen up to the way the book recommends.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 1:04:26 PM
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I have to say that hubby was the first advocate for me going off the pill. I was getting migraines and having a terrible moody attitude. He is ALL for the NFP/FAM (can't remember which is which, it's all the same in my mind). I just love the fact that I am letting my body do what it was made to do. I am not altering anything. I feel so much better off of bcp's. And I have to say that intimacy is soooo much better without that stuff. I have a feeling we'll end up with a large family. I had a parishioner say "well if it's a boy, you can be done, you'll have one of each." Really? Done? Nah. We're not done. Anyway, I digress.
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RE: Natural Family Planning ---- Questions, Answers, an... - 4/22/2008 2:43:02 PM
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Kathryn, great post.
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His parents think you need up to a decade of couple time to have a solid marriage before kids.
LOL! Next January, we'll be married 10 years, and have 5 kids. I daresay our children have been a powerful incentive to work toward a solid marriage (we had a very very rough first three years).
My parents are the same way... I'll turn 22 this year and their 23 Anniversary is 10 days before my birthday They have one of the best marriages I have ever seen.
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One thing he was really concerned about was that the Art of NFP was written by lay-men, not doctors.
Micah did too which is why I ended up going with TCOYF instead...
He does not agree with the abortifacient methods of the pill, but prefers that I just totally supress all ovulation which my hormonal bcp are doing right now... I would prefer to just do FAM but this is one area in which I really felt convicted to submit.
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