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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/2/2006 9:11:29 AM
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Bro_Shane
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Bro_Shane:
Notice that the poster is another new member (first post on the forum). I'm now convinced that these ministries are making these posts themselves
I tend to believe you are correct. If this is the best they can do, it boggles the mind on how they garner such a following.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/2/2006 11:09:45 AM
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That's not so hard to understand...being in a Hinn service after the desert WOF made of the charismatic movement can feel like coming to big refreshing oasis. You can see right before your eyes all sorts of exciting things you've only heard tell of or seen small scale before. 3000 people falling over at once is impressive...as is knocking someone off their feet at 10 paces with but a gesture or a word...all very impressive. It's impressive when you see those lying there weeping...some shocked enough to come to faith, some apparently healed of serious conditions...when you first see it, it looks like Hinn is a real God send.
But over the years, it too wears thin. You can only see people fall down so many times before its mundane. You can only see the emotion, most, though not all, of which is surface and sentimental, before its yawn enducing. You can only see more walk away unhealed...or gaining only a temporary repreive...some hardly longer than camera time, before you wonder more about those who are healed than those who arn't . And you can only hear so many forays and backtrackings from bits of highly questionable theology...and so many predicitions that simply do no come true that you just have step back and reevaluate what you've been a part of.
Now I have no animus against Mr. Hinn, nor do I know anything about him that would lead me to believe he is anything but sincere in his "ministry", and that he tries to exercise integrity with his dealings and finances. Personally from everything I know, he is a nice man...quiet, even shy off stage (and it is a stage have no doubt)...unless he has changed from when I last knew him (and I did in measure). But on stage he is a ring master...and he puts on a great show...and that is a large part of the problem...making a spectical of what is presumably the grace of God at work. The other part of the problem is his theological house of mirrors....one week this distortion, a few weeks later another but a retraction or recasting of the first...I saw it all first hand. At first I commended him for being honest enough to correct his mistakes and admit when he was wrong...but it kept on happening...and he would adopt a responsible position to abandon it for something less so...or even unwise and treat it as if that were an improvement. For example I recall the time in response to some of the scandal and outcry over the huge salaries and big lifestyle of top tier preachers he decided to simplfy...traded in the Rolex for a Bulova, the really ritzy car for one more modest in price, even moved, I think, to a less exclusive neighborhood. That only lasted a couple to three months at best. The rich lifestyle came back with a vengence....but this time it was OK. I was there when he made his infamous prediction about Castro, and was there and very puzzled by his "prophetic" utterance about how the Holy Spirit regarded the passing of Lucielle O'Ball.
It's not hard to see how he builds a following, that's easy, the question to ask is how does he keep it...and if my experience and observation is any guide, he doesn't. Three to five years and they have either been "left behind" or have moved on elsewhere themselves because the same old show just got old. Only a handful, comparitively speaking have been with him consistantly over time.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/2/2006 11:23:49 AM
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thanks uws,
only confirms what many suspect and what many know.
Let's all turn BACK to THE first love.
Let's turn back to the Jesus of the Bible.
I appreciate the candidness of many of the posters,
the wisdom of many others.
And I pray those who group the wiser ones into the "judge not" box.
But it all reveals where we are all at.
Praise the LORD.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/2/2006 2:37:05 PM
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This is priceless. Have a listen. Benny in his own words, set to music.
http://www.intotruth.org/hinn/HinnDrance.mp3
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/13/2006 4:25:44 PM
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This is priceless. Have a listen. Benny in his own words, set to music.
http://www.intotruth.org/hinn/HinnDrance.mp3
That should be an example for an eye opener, but yet we look over
the obvious 180 degree out from what Scripture says.
Just try to imagine Jesus using those words
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/13/2006 4:43:29 PM
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I realize that Benny Hinn is a false teacher but in his defense, it is possible to seamlessly edit anyone's words into a seamless comment completely out of context using any decent sound editor. He may have said what is in the song but I can't believe someone else's use of his words in a song that is detrimental to his character. I would need the original soundbytes from a verifiable source in order to believe them.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/14/2006 8:36:33 AM
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I realize that Benny Hinn is a false teacher but in his defense, it is possible to seamlessly edit anyone's words into a seamless comment completely out of context using any decent sound editor. He may have said what is in the song but I can't believe someone else's use of his words in a song that is detrimental to his character. I would need the original soundbytes from a verifiable source in order to believe them.
If you go to www.deceptioninthechurch and go to the Audio clips section, many of those are there in full context
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 3/14/2006 11:45:35 AM
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It is true that sound bites aren't kept in context,
which is usually the case in politics,
but I've seen and heard the statements and they
aren't out of context. The statements were made
as they were intended.
I've been in what they call "warfare" prayer groups
and they usually end up in cursing people instead of
praying for them. It's time to take your marbles home
when you are participating in things contrary to Jesus'
own words and teachings.
If we can't see the red flags ourselves, we should take
heed to the cries of warnings as here on these forums
and search the scriptures for ourselves.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/2/2006 9:22:07 PM
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What's this about his extravegent lifestyle? does anyone have any proof about that? Not just heresay?
I think the people that get healed are healed by Jesus, and can be healed in their seat or wherever. So those healings can be genuine.
today God healed me, all by myself, I hurt my foot and felt it throbbing, and then I just asked the Lord to heal me, and I started thanking God, and that throbbing disappeared. Ha! No preacher, no one was around, just me PRAISE THE LORD!!!
Another miracle happened today but that might not be appropo here unless you want to hear it.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/5/2006 10:04:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
What's this about his extravegent lifestyle? does anyone have any proof about that? Not just heresay?
http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/godstuff/dateline_hinn.html
Here is Dtaline expose of benny & his extravegent lifestyle & healings
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/6/2006 1:38:02 PM
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I just saw the Dateline show you provided. thank you.
My reaction - I AM TOTALLY DISGUSTED AT BEENY HINN.
If he were making hiw own moneyl, sure, fine, live in an extravagent hotel suite for $3,000 a night.
but when you have taken money from us regular folks (not me, I never gave to him) and used it for jacuzzi suites, THAT IS DISGUSTING.
Obviously, these PROSPERITY PREACHERS have to justify their lifestyle. I have with my OWN EARS heard this justification i.e. "Well if we are supposed to teach that God will bless you abundantly it would make us look like a hypocrite if we didn't live as an example of that".
totally disgusting. totally.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/6/2006 1:50:46 PM
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I just saw the Dateline show you provided. thank you.
My reaction - I AM TOTALLY DISGUSTED AT BEENY HINN.
If he were making hiw own moneyl, sure, fine, live in an extravagent hotel suite for $3,000 a night.
but when you have taken money from us regular folks (not me, I never gave to him) and used it for jacuzzi suites, THAT IS DISGUSTING.
Obviously, these PROSPERITY PREACHERS have to justify their lifestyle. I have with my OWN EARS heard this justification i.e. "Well if we are supposed to teach that God will bless you abundantly it would make us look like a hypocrite if we didn't live as an example of that".
totally disgusting. totally.
It's great that you did your duty and researched Benny Hinn...Praise God that he opened your spiritual eyes. I love it when eyes are opened due to the discussions on this forum.
Many here constantly claim that exposing these false teachers divides the body of Christ and we should not judge. But when eyes are opened, God is GOod!
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/7/2006 1:51:30 PM
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Am so glad I never gave money to him, though watching him on TV seems not to have cost me anything. I also dont get involved with sending away for "free" hankies that the preacher has blessed. Oh yeah. Theres one person (Peter Popoff?) that has miracle water to send you. He still is doing the same game as 20 years ago when i was saved the first time. Around the time when I left the church was around the time that the Swaggart scandal happened,, but i gave him money and Schambach, though I think Schambach was doing some good. But I do feel bad for people who put their faith in these things, and give away their last dollar, especially when the preacher promises them if they give a seed they will automatically receive a big reward.
Hmmmm when I hear the word SEED and PROSPERITY,,, i tend to want to vomit. Those words are to me: DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON!! lol
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 4/8/2006 9:53:35 PM
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seems that the popular thing and accepted thing by millions calling themselves Christians, is to line up to pay for indulgences supposedly given by a man who has no authority to give them.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 5/3/2006 6:47:08 AM
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It seems "Brother" Benny has finished testifying in the "Christian" ponzi scheme trial..........I wonder how it is that someone with his prophetic "anointing" could be taken in on a complete scam like this???He invested $300,000 with a couple of con men, and encouraged others FROM THE PULPIT to do the same.
Perhaps the explanation is akin to the one that would explain why his supposedly "anointed" followers can't see through the scam Hinn himself is running??
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 5/3/2006 8:55:31 AM
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It seems "Brother" Benny has finished testifying in the "Christian" ponzi scheme trial..........I wonder how it is that someone with his prophetic "anointing" could be taken in on a complete scam like this???He invested $300,000 with a couple of con men, and encouraged others FROM THE PULPIT to do the same.
Perhaps the explanation is akin to the one that would explain why his supposedly "anointed" followers can't see through the scam Hinn himself is running??
Right on. I hope that if I ever were to do something like this from the pulpit that I would have a line of people waiting to show me my error. I love the sound of pages turning while I preach/teach - it let's me know there are people that both love me and hold my preaching/teaching accountable to the Word.
These people must just take everything BH says as gospel, which is dangerous.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 5/3/2006 10:41:10 PM
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I just can't handle mass media healers. I somehow doubt that they are sincere. I have seen Hinn's healing services and I am affronted by them, I also am affronted by his sermons regarding healing but I have also heard him speak on other aspects of the bible and I can say that I find that aspect of his work to be sincere.
The fact that he refuses to reveal his financial records leads me to be suspicious of him also the fact that he states that all people who are healed are followed up by a physician has been proven to be wrong, or so that's what the media is saying.
Too many doubts leave me leery about Hinn. I certainly would never give to his ministry.
God Bless
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 6/14/2006 10:47:14 PM
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blessed still is anyone who has ever been "taken in" by some preacher or another they haven't done a disservice to God... God knows the heart and those people will recieve their blessings, wether here or in the next life. Jesus sat at the temple and watched the people putting their tithes in the box, money that would go to the leaders, i.e. pharisees and saducees et al, and yet Jesus smiled as he watched... he exclaimed to his disciples that the woman who gave the false preachers her last dollar gave the most, because she gave from her heart.
God bless all the saints taken in with bad leadership, wether in a local church or through TV.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 6/15/2006 10:12:19 PM
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I had to post here. Many, many years ago, before I actually KNEW who he was and what he was, I went to a Hinn conference in Jacksonville FL with my small son, who needed healing.
I'm struggling to write these words b/c even now, I'm still incredibly angry. Immediately after Hinn came out, and the worship music began, we were told (our entire section) that we needed to move b/c of the "view" of the camera. So I got up with Michael and we began to make our way to the newly opened section of seating. A stampede ensued, b/c some people wanted "close seats" and Michael was literally ripped out of my hands and we were separated. My son was subsequently trampled, but this was not the worst of it. Hinn looks up from his position on the stage, and speaks to the "Wicked spirit of distraction - You WILL submit and be silent." At the moment, I was screaming for my child.
Had I been able to get my hands on the man, I'd have ripped his vocal cords out.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 6/18/2006 4:38:00 AM
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This thread is designed to be the one stop place for the everlasting discussions on all things to do with Benny Hinn.
Discuss the man, his ministry, and his teachings.
i do not like the man and i will definately not give any money to his ministry.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 6/18/2006 9:15:24 AM
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I had to post here. Many, many years ago, before I actually KNEW who he was and what he was, I went to a Hinn conference in Jacksonville FL with my small son, who needed healing.
I'm struggling to write these words b/c even now, I'm still incredibly angry. Immediately after Hinn came out, and the worship music began, we were told (our entire section) that we needed to move b/c of the "view" of the camera. So I got up with Michael and we began to make our way to the newly opened section of seating. A stampede ensued, b/c some people wanted "close seats" and Michael was literally ripped out of my hands and we were separated. My son was subsequently trampled, but this was not the worst of it. Hinn looks up from his position on the stage, and speaks to the "Wicked spirit of distraction - You WILL submit and be silent." At the moment, I was screaming for my child.
Had I been able to get my hands on the man, I'd have ripped his vocal cords out.
I'm so sorry for your experience at one of Hinn's "shows" (they are NOT crusades).
If you search the internet, Joni Erickson Tada has a similar story. You may find it uplifting.
I don't mince words on Benny Hinn. He is a FRAUD and a LIAR!
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 6/24/2006 10:08:01 AM
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I think unworthyseraphim's thoughts were quite considered and on the mark. I finally got to see him at a crusade in Australia (sitting right at the top to his right, mind you) and really, compared to his TV half-hour shows it's not any different, just unedited.
I decided not to think one way or another and just worshipped and listened and observed. I believe I kept an open mind through it all.
I remain sceptical of some things, like how people could come from Dubai all the way just to show him how their son walks in Australia, or some of the people claiming they've been healed. But others seemed to be quite genuine, it's hard to tell.
He did give a pretty polished gospel talk that a typical evengelical might be happy with. I was sceptical of some of the people that came forward for the altar call, just a few too many waving hands like people just wanting to see Benny up close.
He was a polished speaker, had humour, very deliberate, too deliberate in fact, it was hard to tell with all the show setup whether it was real or a show. Another friend commented that it did feel rather like a show.
He may be genuinely convinced of what he's saying, but I think the most amazing things are unseen, and understated and devoid of all other possible evidence of anything else that this could be. It doesn't have to be a show. I have defended Hinn before, and I have also been in two minds. Currently I'm tired of the flash and dazzle. I want to go back to respect, integrity, basics, let the power of God be welcomed and without "helping it along" with a lot of other things.
Not that people cannot be healed at these things - where there is faith, one can invite healing if God wills it. Not that people cannot be saved either - the gospel talk was definitely clear and one could really have given their life over to God right there. But surely there's a better way to do things, where integrity does not have to be called into question unnecessarily.
If it's fine to be well off because of God's blessing, fine, but I always saw it as a distantly low priority, and if it were given it was so it was meant to be given away, surely, not to build heaven on earth with a hedge of riches.
I think vision, direction, thinking big and all that are great, but not at the expense of christian love, joy, peace and the other fruits of the Spirit. Big things are big, good for drawing people, but try keeping them, let the Spirit be the only one doing that first and foremost.
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