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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 3:15:46 PM
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stateofgrace
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All I've been doing was praying to God, asking him for help and he led me to BH's teachings and also a Holy Ghost revival where God healed me!! which I wasn't healed instantly, its a skin disease but everyday it's getting better b/c i claim the healing and thank God for the healing everyday and i noticed at first when i was doubting, my skin wasnt getting better or actually getting worse. So that's why people don't get healed or keep a healing, it's b/c of the doubt!!! Okay maybe BH gave "false prophecies" or maybe he couldn't distinguish God's voice at the time or it could have been a number of other things!!
Oh...n7evaeh, you can't base doctorine simply on experience! You base it on the Word of God! Not only that, but you're allowing your one -subjective - experience (it appeared to you that when you were doubting, your skin wasn't getting better or was getting worse) to apply across the board as some kind of universal spiritual principle (why God does or does not heal).
What you just described is an example of magical thinking.
It's raining today beause I am sad.
Almighty, all-powerful God heals or doesn't heal, according to whether or not I doubt .
'Magical thinking' is the interpreting of two closely occurring events as though one caused the other, without any concern for the causal link. - James Alcock
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 3:22:46 PM
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lw9
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Hi n7evaeh:
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All I've been doing was praying to God, asking him for help and he led me to BH's teachings and also a Holy Ghost revival where God healed me!! which I wasn't healed instantly, its a skin disease but everyday it's getting better b/c i claim the healing and thank God for the healing everyday and i noticed at first when i was doubting, my skin wasnt getting better or actually getting worse. So that's why people don't get healed or keep a healing, it's b/c of the doubt!!!
New Testament healings - which were true miracle healings - were instant. When Christ or the Apostles healed, it was a done deal. Healings which progress over time are simply the way God created the body to naturally repair itself.
Question: Can you point out in the Bible where miracle healings occurred over time and progressed based on the person's amount of faith or doubt? How does what you are describing qualify as a miracle healing from God in light of the examples from the Bible?
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Okay maybe BH gave "false prophecies" or maybe he couldn't distinguish God's voice at the time or it could have been a number of other things!!
A Biblical prophet MUST be 100% accurate, or they are considered to be false prophets, period. There is no such thing as a true Biblical prophet making a few mistakes here or there or not being able to 'distinguish God's voice. The Bible says:
Deut 18:20 But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak... that prophet shall die. 21 And you may say in your heart, `How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
The burden of proof rests with you to prove that Mr. Hinn - who you admit has made false prophecies - still qualifies as a true prophet and should be listened to.
Question: Now that you know what God's word has to say about prophecy, are you going to stand by God's word... or by Benny Hinn?
Question: Can you address the questions I had for you regarding 'anointing' in post #122?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 3:32:51 PM
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n7evaeh
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Oh...n7evaeh, you can't base doctorine simply on experience! You base it on the Word of God! Not only that, but you're allowing your one -subjective - experience (it appeared to you that when you were doubting, your skin wasn't getting better or was getting worse) to apply across the board as some kind of universal spiritual principle (why God does or does not heal).
What you just described is an example of magical thinking.
It's raining today beause I am sad.
Almighty, all-powerful God heals or doesn't heal, according to whether or not I doubt .
'Magical thinking' is the interpreting of two closely occurring events as though one caused the other, without any concern for the causal link. - James Alcock
Magical Thinking huh?? okay but isnt it faith that pleases God and isnt it what we need to get the results we need??
Mt 13:58 -
And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
Mt 9:29 -
Then he touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you";
Mt 21:21 -
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.
Someone tell me please have you really actually prayed to God about if BH is a false prophet or not?? And did he truly, clearly say he was? b/c it seems like many people are just going by what their own mind believes instead of asking God for the truth.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 3:42:00 PM
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lw9
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Hi n7evaeh:
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Magical Thinking huh?? okay but isnt it faith that pleases God and isnt it what we need to get the results we need??
Where are you getting this idea from? Faith is:
Heb 11:1 Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
Faith is also not something we give to ourselves. We receive faith from God:
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.
Eph 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Faith is not a 'force' to be used by us to get what we want or to get results. Faith is not something that bends to our will. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ... simply put: Through God-given faith we believe and confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, was crucified and shed His blood for our sins, died and was resurrected into heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. Through Him we have eternal salvation.
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Someone tell me please have you really actually prayed to God about if BH is a false prophet or not?? And did he truly, clearly say he was? b/c it seems like many people are just going by what their own mind believes instead of asking God for the truth.
See post #127.
What you have presented so far has been personal opinion rather than the Biblical truth. You are going to have to either back up what you are saying Biblically or come to the conclusion that what you are saying has no grounds in God's truth, you know?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 3:55:08 PM
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n7evaeh
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ORIGINAL: lw9
New Testament healings - which were true miracle healings - were instant. When Christ or the Apostles healed, it was a done deal. Healings which progress over time are simply the way God created the body to naturally repair itself.
Question: Can you point out in the Bible where miracle healings occurred over time and progressed based on the person's amount of faith or doubt? How does what you are describing qualify as a miracle healing from God in light of the examples from the Bible?
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Okay maybe BH gave "false prophecies" or maybe he couldn't distinguish God's voice at the time or it could have been a number of other things!!
The burden of proof rests with you to prove that Mr. Hinn - who you admit has made false prophecies - still qualifies as a true prophet and should be listened to.
Question: Now that you know what God's word has to say about prophecy, are you going to stand by God's word... or by Benny Hinn?
Question: Can you address the questions I had for you regarding 'anointing' in post #122?
okay, so are you saying that i didnt get healed from God b/c my healing wasn't instant?? i had this skin disease for 14 years so why after praying to God for many years for this healing when I go to a revival and the prophet there looked at me said "You need a healing" (w/o me telling him a thing) and then prayed over me and since then my skin has gotten so much better...God heals the way he wants to, sometimes instant and sometimes over time, i believe to test your faith!! So you're saying this healing was not from God??
I didnt admit he gave false prophecies thats why i put quotes over the words, I have no idea what the situation was with what BH said though, i dont have the answers for everything!!! So, when you say BH gives false prophecies are you saying that he makes these things up in his own mind and then tells everyone on national television these things will happen? Do you really think someone is that stupid. Don't you think he believed with all of his heart that this was a prophecy from God but turned out not to be for whatever reason?
And the question about the anointing...I know, all Christians are anointed but the anointing does grow and mature and becomes more powerful over time
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:01:02 PM
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n7evaeh
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So what everyone is trying to say is that, I think I'm a Christian and I think when I pray I'm getting closer to God and God answers my prayers and all the experiences I've had were not from God but from Satan and I'm actually not saved and I don't know the truth?? Wow!! So what do I do now??
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:09:09 PM
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stateofgrace
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No one has said you're not saved.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:10:50 PM
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lw9
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n7evaeh:
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okay, so are you saying that i didnt get healed from God b/c my healing wasn't instant??
Fact: Miracle healings from the Bible are intant. Natural healings take place over time.
Fact: You claimed to be healed at a revival by God, yet are still suffering from your skin affliction.
If you would like to claim that miracle healings from God take place over time and that your healing was a miracle from God rather than a natural progressive healing, then you need to provide the Biblical evidence.
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i had this skin disease for 14 years so why after praying to God for many years for this healing when I go to a revival and the prophet there looked at me said "You need a healing" (w/o me telling him a thing) and then prayed over me and since then my skin has gotten so much better...God heals the way he wants to, sometimes instant and sometimes over time, i believe to test your faith!! So you're saying this healing was not from God??
To sum up: Instead of healing you directly through prayer - as God does - God just ignored you for 14 years and then led you to a prophet who healed you. Even then, you were not healed but still suffer with the skin disease even though it's getting better. Honestly, what can we conclude from this other than the obvious: this was not a miracle healing through a 'prophet' but a natural one.
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I didnt admit he gave false prophecies thats why i put quotes over the words, I have no idea what the situation was with what BH said though, i dont have the answers for everything!!!
These are your words, not mine:
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Okay maybe BH gave "false prophecies" or maybe he couldn't distinguish God's voice at the time or it could have been a number of other things!!
I've asked you MANY direct questions about what you are presenting here, and still you have not addressed them Biblically. Why not? It doesn't matter what I'm saying or you're saying, but it matters VERY MUCH what God says, and that is what I want you to start looking into for yourself.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:32:43 PM
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n7evaeh
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ummmm am i in the right forum?? crosswalk is for christians right??? oh well, i still love Benny Hinn and unless God tells me don't believe him then i'll continue to do so.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:45:32 PM
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Whom do you love more, Benny or the truth found in God's Word. Are you hungry for an experience, or the continuing touch of the Holy Spirit? A serious study of God's word shows the man to be a fraud who wants to bilk people like you so he can live in the lap of luxury.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 4:51:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: n7evaeh
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ORIGINAL: Ps103
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Unless you protect another man's annointing you won't receive your own!!
I am very curious about this quote. Where did you hear it?
I heard this quote from Benny Hinn and an example in the bible is when David had many chances to kill (i think it was Saul) but he didn't b/c he was anointed
No one here is trying to kill Benny Hinn! David openly spoke against the evil Saul did!
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/20/2006 6:33:47 PM
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I can't believe Benny Hinn is on the air. I can't believe that people go out to watch that stuff, and give him money too? Unbelievable.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/24/2006 3:46:40 AM
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Incidentally, I'm currently living and studying in Buenos Aires and Benny Hinn is going to be here this weekend.
Part of the problem he's run into is that when he started to get big, the whole Word of Faith, and Charasmatic movement was also growing. Everybody in these movements was expecting a huge move of God, soon, where there would be multitudes of people operating in the same "anointing" as Benny Hinn and healing people.
Since they were expecting this to happen, Benny Hinn was supposed to become more of the rule, than the exception. I heard this numerous times. That he was just leading the way for this great movement of faith healers. If this had come true, there would be healings going on all over the place in everyday life and there would not be so much need for the large crusades anymore. Since this has not happened, though, BH is looking more on the fringe and out of step with the rest of the church than ever. Even amongst WOF and Charasmatics in many cases.
I think most of the healings are psycho-somatic and are brought on by the emotions of the moment, and the euphoric praise and music (back-aches, headaches, various pains, unseen illnesses in which a person on stage claims to be healed when they don't know for sure, etc.) I've known a lot of people in wheelchairs who can get up and walk around for a few minutes. And there may be some genuine healings. But I would say those are so few in number that one would have to conclude that God was going to do it anyway whether at the crusade or not.
If I get my assignments done for this week I might go just to check it out though. If I do, I'll report back to thread.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 10/24/2006 4:51:10 PM
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If I get my assignments done for this week I might go just to check it out though. If I do, I'll report back to thread.
I would go only if you have nothing better to do. Come to think you it, cleaning the comode would be something more worthy of your time.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/2/2006 1:53:20 AM
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I too don't agree with his ways. I was looking at TBN and i was not sure of him. He seems all talk. a false prophet.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/23/2006 7:57:12 AM
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I have a friend who is so fond of Benny. He thinks so highly about him as a teacher and he has even donated money.
But I never understand this Benny.
I am having a great discussion over him as I would never accept a person that accepts a wage of 500 000 USD from donations in the name of God. I know that we shouldn't judge a person but we should test everything said in the name of God.
So what should I do? should i continue to try and change the mind of my friend (who loves the Lord but everything he knows of Benny Hinn is through TBN) ?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/23/2006 10:32:49 AM
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I wasn't going to post in this thread, but oh well.
I believe in the beginning Benny Hinn was doing God's work. If you check his earlier teachings, they do align up with the Word of God. After not seeing him for a number of years, I happened to turn on TBN and saw him on tv. I realized that there was something different about him. There seemed to be no real power and asking for money to buy a $10,000,000 jet was unbelievable. Some where along the line, maybe because of money, fame, or both, he seems to have gone down the wrong line.
As for comments like if he has power to heal why isn't he at children's hospitals etc., those are blatant attacks that are not from God. Jesus did not heal everyone He came into contact with. Even Billy Graham says that for some reason God chooses to heal some and not others. Whether or not Benny Hinn's power is real or not, such an attack is unwarranted and could be costly.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/23/2006 10:50:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: n7evaeh
Mt 13:58 -
And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
If you look in context, you will notice there was never any doubt that the miracles occurred. There was doubt that Jesus was the Christ. People succumbing to magical thinking think that they have to believe the miracle will occur (even if it doesn't) in order for it to happen.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/23/2006 11:01:44 AM
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lw9
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joecan writes: Whether or not Benny Hinn's power is real or not, such an attack is unwarranted and could be costly.
When a person claims their 'power' is from God, they had better make sure it's true. Christians are to follow the Biblical command to test all things, and anyone setting themselves up as a miracle healer should expect to have their claims tested and be able to substantiate it. It's been documented time and time again that those who Mr. Hinn has proclaimed to be healed by the 'power of God' have in fact not been healed. He's been proven to be a a false prophet, a false teacher, and a false healer. What does pointing out the plain facts cost?
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/26/2006 2:28:02 AM
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As for comments like if he has power to heal why isn't he at children's hospitals etc., those are blatant attacks that are not from God. Jesus did not heal everyone He came into contact with. Even Billy Graham says that for some reason God chooses to heal some and not others. Whether or not Benny Hinn's power is real or not, such an attack is unwarranted and could be costly.
Benny Hinn brings those attacks upon himself by the deceptive practices he uses in his "healing" services. I have watched a number of his crusades and he is a master showman. Every nuance of the service is intended to whip the audience up into an almost hypnotic frenzy of emotion until he has them eating up his every word.
The people in the audience are on a spiritual and emotional high, feeling great and when Benny Hinn mentions their specific affliction and waves his hand vaguely in their direction, they naturally believe that Hinn is talking about them and the resulting surge of adrenaline will feel like they've been touched by some holy presence or miracle.
We've all felt that feeling. When someone unexpectedly singles us out for praise or even just a hug, it can be a highly pleasurable experience, and that's what Hinn is playing on. It doesn't hurt that most people go there expecting a miracle to happen to them.
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RE: The One Stop Thread For All Things Benny Hinn - 11/26/2006 3:30:53 AM
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I wasn't going to post in this thread, but oh well.
I believe in the beginning Benny Hinn was doing God's work. If you check his earlier teachings, they do align up with the Word of God.
Utter nonsense. Benny Hinn is a total fraud! A total fraud!
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Whether or not Benny Hinn's power is real or not, such an attack is unwarranted and could be costly.
LOLOL. Benny Hinn is a fraud and there is no reason to be afraid of saying it. If it were real, we'd be seeing the fruits of it, not vain self-promotion. Instead, we see ministry for the sake of accumulation of vanity and wealth.
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