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RE: Bible Codes - 10/7/2006 5:37:56 PM
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drcain
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Bible codes = numerology = false knowledge = Proved: BARNEY IS SATAN!
(but it makes for a great guffaw!  )
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When I mentioned the scriptures as being subject to change is merely based on a person’s repentance, blessing or cursing,
"Thou shall not..." is the same for the saved, lost, blessed, cursed, seeking, or ignoring. God's word never changes. Never. Never.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1 I did, and found this code nonsense to be lacking.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/7/2006 6:04:36 PM
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There ARE a few interesting anomolies in the first five books. Beyond that we need not be mathematicians. When I saw one of the proponents of the bible codes interviewed, he admitted that they can only find things in the codes AFTER they happen! Quite telling indeed. since there are only consanants in the writings you are allowed to insert vowels as needed. The numerical aptterns can be adjusted to fit what you need to find. Since the criticism of naming events AFTEr they happen came to light, some have begun to use "codes" to actually make predictions. The problem is they make mustiple predictions as though one of the outcomes will have to fit.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/8/2006 1:20:48 AM
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I uploaded an image, but I do not know how to link to it?
EDIT: Ok, it says "Attachment", but then when I click, I see nothing. WHATS UP !?!?!?!?!?!!?
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/8/2006 1:26:14 AM
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/9/2006 8:29:39 PM
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drcain
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I think that this is an option that, although it is there, it is not allowed. It came wiith the program but is not used. Try linking to the picture from another site like Photobucket.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/10/2006 1:33:45 PM
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behold
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ORIGINAL: drcain
Bible codes = numerology = false knowledge = Proved: BARNEY IS SATAN!
(but it makes for a great guffaw! )
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When I mentioned the scriptures as being subject to change is merely based on a person’s repentance, blessing or cursing,
"Thou shall not..." is the same for the saved, lost, blessed, cursed, seeking, or ignoring. God's word never changes. Never. Never.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1 I did, and found this code nonsense to be lacking.
NUMEROLOGY: - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/numerology
1. the study of numbers, as the figures designating the year of one's birth, to determine their supposed influence on one's life, future, etc
2. The study of the occult meanings of numbers and their supposed influence on human life
3. the study of the supposed occult influence of numbers on human affairs
Numerology is more like, "don't go to the club on the 13th, that's an UNLUCKY number". Finding WORDS by skipping a fixed number of letters is not numerology. It is a method of decrypting, deciphering, decoding, an encrypted message. Whether or not "Bible Codes" is real or not, it certainly has nothing to do with numerology, and has everything to do with whether or not God CODED [SEALED] certain messages. The FACT is that no one in Heaven, Earth, or Hell, can say with any true certainty that God would NOT do such a thing.
Isaiah 29:10-11
For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed
Who can say for certain WHAT method God used to close the eyes, cover the prophets and the seers, and seal the vision !?
Perhaps the unsealing is a spiritual awakening, but how do we know it is ONLY a spiritual awakening? Perhaps after the Spirit is awakened, it seeks confirmation. Perhaps this is the time when man can confirm what His Spirit was awakened to.
I used to think the "codes" were about as important as the flies that hover over horse manure. But my eyes tell me something different now. Look at the matrix in the graphics, then go grab one of your math guru friends, and have them calculate the probability. Have them duplicate this in "War And Peace". So far, I am trying to do just that, and I CANNOT! The book "War and Peace" is 20 times larger than the book of Ezekiel !!! If this were only a random coincidense, then why can't I duplicate it in a book so much larger than Ezekiel's?
There's more to the matrix. The Term "Bin Laden" is plastered all over the bible and I found it all over "War and Peace" as well, HOWEVER !!!! ONLY IN THIS MATRIX, in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter 23, is "BIN LADEN" found using an ELS of 2001. How on EARTH is that random ??????? The word "Manhattan" is also found in Ezekiel 20, using an ELS skip of 5755. Not a really big deal, it is found in "War and Peace" as well, BUT, ONLY IN EZEKIEL is the word "Manhattan" found in the entire bible. It is not found any place else. WHY ON EARTH IS THAT ??? ONLY in Ezekiel is "Apple" found using an ELS of 777, same ELS as "Head" and "State". Lastly, "FIERY HELL" is also found using ELS of 777.
All just a coincidense? Sorry, but I'm having a hard time accepting that, for me, it's starting to look like divine authorship.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/10/2006 1:42:21 PM
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Sorry, seems I came back to the forum looking for math help, and ended up getting spiritually suckered into showing my feelings on the subject. Nevermind the rants of my last message. If you're good at math, I need your help. If you're looking for debate, that spirit has passed me, go elsewhere.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/10/2006 8:12:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: behold
Sorry, seems I came back to the forum looking for math help, and ended up getting spiritually suckered into showing my feelings on the subject. Nevermind the rants of my last message. If you're good at math, I need your help. If you're looking for debate, that spirit has passed me, go elsewhere.
Greetings
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Sorry, seems I came back to the forum looking for math help, and ended up getting spiritually suckered into showing my feelings on the subject.
Thats usually how it begins, first seek the kingdom God and all these things will be added.
No pun intended!
That are some who are very well versed in math in the science threads...I would give a name but it may be a no no in the TOS
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/11/2006 1:33:57 AM
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drcain
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ORIGINAL: behold
NUMEROLOGY: - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/numerology
1. the study of numbers, as the figures designating the year of one's birth, to determine their supposed influence on one's life, future, etc
2. The study of the occult meanings of numbers and their supposed influence on human life
3. the study of the supposed occult influence of numbers on human affairs
I know that #2 fits with this code stuff. Occult=hidden=codes
I also see that whomever put these codes into the Bible could not spell correctly, according to those pictures you posted.
Here is a code: DxxxxxxUxxxxxxxM
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/11/2006 3:12:31 AM
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There is heaps of info on the internet in regard to these codes, both for and against. Including people who claim to be mathematicians.
The interesting thing I see, is that they (the codes) tend to be consistent. For example, George Bush=Bad. Also, I can not see why the Holy Spirit would not put info in scriptures that can only be decoded in the last days, I can see no scriptural bar to this. At this stage I consider it interesting, but not conclusive enough to make too big a fuss about.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/27/2006 10:01:02 PM
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Ok, I continue to seek help with this, even more so now !!!
In the same matrix where I found "Head of State Gorge W Bush", I also found, "Nine One One Fire", and right beside it, "Terror". All of these terms are in an 11x11 Matrix, only 121 characters, and not at just any-ol-random ugly skip, but at 777. (7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 plagues).
This time, I used CodeFinder. Here's the report generated from that program:
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Term Skip R Factor (in Matrix) Start End
GORGE 1 0.000 4.312 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 12 Letter 66 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 12 Letter 70
BUSH 2 -1.285 3.028 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 5 Letter 83 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 6 Letter 2
HEAD 777 -5.268 -0.956 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 2 Letter 40 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 24 Letter 31
STATE 777 -4.375 -0.063 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 19 Letter 75 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 44 Letter 19
NINE -776 -5.144 -0.832 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 16 Letter 120 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 44 Letter 19
FONE 778 -4.829 -0.517 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 37 Letter 144 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 9 Letter 73
FONE -1 -1.938 2.374 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 2 Letter 38 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 2 Letter 35
TERRO 778 -4.008 0.304 Ezekiel Ch 23 V 44 Letter 16 Ezekiel Ch 24 V 24 Letter 29
The ELS reference is 777 characters between rows.
There are 8 displayed terms in the matrix.
The matrix starts at Ezekiel Ch 23 V 5 Letter 83 and ends at Ezekiel Ch 24 V 24 Letter 31.
The matrix spans 7781 characters of the surface text.
The matrix has 11 rows, is 11 columns wide and contains a total of 121 characters.
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Adding the positive, "In Matrix", R-Values, we get, 10.018; the antilog of which is, 10,423,174,293.
Several observations:
I included the letter "F" in each "ONE" term because it is obvious that the term is to be understand, heard, and even considered in the same way it is actually understood, heard, and considered in OUR TIME! Meaning, 9-1-1, as in what we dial on our FONE to reach help. I could have just as easily used only the letters "ONE", but since their is only a 0.14% chance that each term would be prepended with the specific letter "F", I tend to think it is NOT random.
Also note, the word "Terror" is actually found diagonally as "TERRO" and the last "R" is NOT found diagonally, but is instead found on the BASE LINE of the Matrix. Look at the pic to see what I mean:
http://www.upload-images.net/imagen/1a76192a2e.jpg
I am not sure what formula is used to determine the R-values of the terms, and so I've made my own attempt to determine the probability of finding such a Matrix in any book being the same size as the KJV. I will include the method I used in the next post, but for now, I will only include the result of the computation:
1 in 1,335,757,189,028,330,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/27/2006 10:10:55 PM
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FYI: There's MORE even within that very same 11x11 matrix which leads me to believe that this is NOT only regarding September 11, 2001, but is also about a future catastrophic event that directly involves Bush. The phrase directly beneath the matrix reveals his fate. The event may be VERY, VERY, near !!!
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/27/2006 10:25:05 PM
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Hey All & Hi Behold,,
Again this is very revealing in what you have found in your search here and it would seem that the more you are digging here the more you are finding. What i do find of humbling is that what you are finding, is what i have found using a different method.
It will be one of those things that i guess will just play out i guess, yet i hope you keep us posted on this and share your thoughts on this.
speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
God Bless.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/28/2006 2:10:27 AM
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The Bible code is false, you could even Find Yahweh is Satan, Jesus is Satan, Satan is God, in the bible code. I could provide many sources if you want. This is another thing we believers should spend less time on.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/28/2006 11:27:21 AM
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behold: Numerology is more like, "don't go to the club on the 13th, that's an UNLUCKY number". Finding WORDS by skipping a fixed number of letters is not numerology. It is a method of decrypting, deciphering, decoding, an encrypted message.
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FYI: There's MORE even within that very same 11x11 matrix which leads me to believe that this is NOT only regarding September 11, 2001, but is also about a future catastrophic event that directly involves Bush. The phrase directly beneath the matrix reveals his fate. The event may be VERY, VERY, near !!!
Occult:
1. of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
2. beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious.
3. secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated.
4. hidden from view.
5. not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation.
Divination:
1. the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
Biblical numerology is a mathematical system used to gain hidden & secret information, typically used to determine the future or discover alleged 'deeper truths', just as you are doing right now. I understand you don't want to hear this, but it fits the description of occult divination perfectly, and it's very dangerous stuff.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/28/2006 9:30:56 PM
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Hey All & Hi lw9,,
How does one understand the use of numbers in the Bible that God has given us, for if God has used numbers for insight in his word & has used Dates for highlighting events then how does this stand against what you have just spoken.
Speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
God Bless.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/28/2006 10:11:48 PM
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Hi IC.InChrist:
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How does one understand the use of numbers in the Bible that God has given us, for if God has used numbers for insight in his word & has used Dates for highlighting events then how does this stand against what you have just spoken.
If you are talking about the numbers currently found in the Bible such as 144,000 or 12 and such, those are in plain sight and not hidden. The truth has already been revealed in full and nothing has been written which we cannot read or understand... which means we don't need a math degree or a computer algorithm to figure it out, and never has God told us to search for secret information in His written word. The concept of Bible codes [hidden information divined through a mathematical system] completely contradicts what God has already told us, and it falls into the occult divination category. I'm just hoping folks will keep the following in mind:
2 Cor 1:12 Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, in the holiness and sincerity that are from God. We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace. 13 For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand.
Col 1:25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness - 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim HIm, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.
I understand this is not to be a debate thread so I will make this my last post. I simply posted here out of concern because trying to find 'truth' through Bible codes is a very dangerous path to take. We can trust in God's fully revealed word. Take care and God bless you all.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/28/2006 10:40:06 PM
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Hi lw9,,
& thanks for you reply to my concern, you have settled my thoughts regarding your last post as i was not sure if it was a blanket remark or not, thanks you for clearing that up for me.
I was in my post refering to the numbers God has given us and not the valid standing of bible codes. My knowledge of them is no more than an observer and my understanding of them has not been confirmed by the Holy Spirit unlike the numbers and dates i have seen revealed over my time here.
I do find that dates & numbers are without chance or random coincidences as these are in Gods control, only He can place a birth or death on a certain day, on God and place an event to happen on a certain day. Nothing can happen without God allowing it to be.
Can we look into the future and speak of what will take place, more than likely No!!
Can we look at the past and see how God has placed Dates & Numbers , Events , Births & Deaths to reveal truth and his Witness,, Yes!
speak soon,
till then Cheerio,,
God Bless.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/31/2006 3:26:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: UnorthodoxChristian
The Bible code is false, you could even Find Yahweh is Satan, Jesus is Satan, Satan is God, in the bible code. I could provide many sources if you want. This is another thing we believers should spend less time on.
For the record, the terms "Satan" and "is God" can be found in any 11x11 matrix in the bible the number of times it is EXPECTED to be found in any book containing 3,222,512 letters. I'm sure the same terms would be found just as many times, or more, in nearly EVERY book containing 3,222,512 letters. PROBABILITY SAYS SO.
There is a huge difference between saying,
"Those terms can be found in a million different books", and
"Those terms can be found in 1 out of every 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 books."
From what I have computed, Probability says you have to test more than 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 books of length 3,222,512 to find the 11x11 matrix being discussed in this thread. Are there that many books even written?
Three months ago, if while I was searching a forum, I found the phrase "Bible Codes" in the thread subject, the filter in my mind automatically translated the phrase into "The theory of Cow Dung VS Horse Manure". I guess I was hoping for the same to happen here. I'm not trying to prove "Bible Codes", nor am I trying to forcast the future. I am trying only to confirm my mathematical computation on the probablity of this ONE and ONLY ONE matrix. So just so that I am understood, I simply do not care about any other "findings" by any other person in the world ever regarding "Bible Codes", or "Torah Codes" or "Nostradomus Codes". I just want persons highly skilled in the study of probability and statistics to tell me the odds of THIS matrix being found. If my computations can be confirmed by others, than I, AND I ALONE, will be satisified that this find cannot be random. I hope that is now clear. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, feel absolutely free to not waste your time on this thread. Instead, do I as I've done with many thread subjects, train your mind to visualize "Cow Dung" when you read a subject line that is truly not worth your time.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/31/2006 3:35:16 PM
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Within the same matrix, I also found "Born Again", which the man "supposedly is" !?!?
Will update thread with a new pic when I get home. So, for whoever is counting, this simple 11x11 matrix contains:
Head Of State Gorge W Bush
Nine One One Fire
Terror
Born Again
Maybe some of you (those interested) could look to see what you find.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/31/2006 3:53:55 PM
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Regarding the spelling of the name, here are some thoughts:
"Rahab" is a spiritual name for Egypt.
"Sodom and Egypt" are spiritual names for the Great City mentioned in the Revelation.
"Sheshach" is a cipher name for Babylon
"Abaddon" is a spiritual name for Apollyon
Gorge is a verb, it means to devour.
IF, this matrix is not just another random occurence, then it is obvious that the man is spiritually being called "DEVOURER" (of nations I suppose).
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/31/2006 4:34:27 PM
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Lastly, before I head home:
I am not here to establish some mysterious cornerstone for some new angle on theology. I am certainly not here to support "Bible Codes" (as they are known), nor will I debate in support of my very own findings. I detest the spirit of debate, it eventually makes all who participate in it say something they will (or should) regret. I completely understand that regardless of what the math may or may not say, some will be interested, and some will not, some will believe, and some will not. I am not here to convert anyone. I am not here to "win" at anything. I am here for one reason. I want help determing the mathematical probability for or against what I have found.
Yes, as I find more phrases, I will publish them here. Yes, when someone shows a glimmer of interest in this thread, I will be glad, and yes, if someone comes here to do nothing but bash all that I have said, I will be emotionally upset, but no, I will not debate any of you, not for a moment.
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RE: Bible Codes - 10/31/2006 7:04:02 PM
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As promised:
http://www.upload-images.net/imagen/367ba1fb11.jpg
The ELS skip for "BORN" is -1555.
Coincidentally, the words "BORN" and "AGAIN" share the same final "N".
The word "ORATE", as in, to give an oration, is also there, at ELS skip -776, starting at (6,7).
Not exactly sure if and how it fits in the "scene".
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RE: Bible Codes - 11/5/2006 5:22:33 PM
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Lastly, before I head home:
I am not here to establish some mysterious cornerstone for some new angle on theology. I am certainly not here to support "Bible Codes" (as they are known), nor will I debate in support of my very own findings. I detest the spirit of debate, it eventually makes all who participate in it say something they will (or should) regret. I completely understand that regardless of what the math may or may not say, some will be interested, and some will not, some will believe, and some will not. I am not here to convert anyone. I am not here to "win" at anything. I am here for one reason. I want help determing the mathematical probability for or against what I have found.
Yes, as I find more phrases, I will publish them here. Yes, when someone shows a glimmer of interest in this thread, I will be glad, and yes, if someone comes here to do nothing but bash all that I have said, I will be emotionally upset, but no, I will not debate any of you, not for a moment.
Greetings,
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