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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 5:56:49 PM
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solo_soprano22
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The outbreak didn't originate here but apparently someone with Measels flew into SeaTac Airport with it and they had a public health announcement on the news. If you flew on that certain airline, were on that flight or went through that terminal on that day at all you were to contact your doctor or the health department, I can't recall (none of us had flown then). So just like that it has come here too. Scary how easily things can get around. Reminds me of The Stand (Stephen King).
True. I remember one of our professors was trying to say the same thing. We have a lot of missions going on in the university, and he said a girl can get something in Asia (for example), get on a plane, come back to the dorm... then her friends could come see her to inquire about the trip, then they go out into the world again... and all the way she has something and is spreading it.  It is scary how easily things can get around.
My bioethics professor is on a panel that decides what to do in case of outbreaks on campus. For the one for avian flu, he and the panel suggested that the campus be shut down immediately after case #1... because when the first case shows up, there's no telling how many have been exposed and have it/are spreading it without knowing. Needless to say, the president of the university apparently wasn't buying it. Lol.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 6:18:01 PM
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perhaps a child too young to get the MMR (I think that is a 2-month shot) is too young to be in daycare?
The suggested age for MMR vaccine is 15-18 months. It is a nasty vaccine, IME, one none of my children have come through with no problem. Also the one some link to autism in some children.
We will be waiting until Levi is at least 2, but he will get it.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 6:29:46 PM
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For the one for avian flu, he and the panel suggested that the campus be shut down immediately after case #1... because when the first case shows up, there's no telling how many have been exposed and have it/are spreading it without knowing.
It is extremely difficult to contract avian flu. I wouldn't buy it, either.
Donna, I didn't know they waited so long for the MMR.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 6:41:10 PM
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We got Nathan's at 12 months, but it made me a little nervous.
Lots of kids are in daycare by that age.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 6:48:50 PM
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For the one for avian flu, he and the panel suggested that the campus be shut down immediately after case #1... because when the first case shows up, there's no telling how many have been exposed and have it/are spreading it without knowing.
It is extremely difficult to contract avian flu. I wouldn't buy it, either.
Donna, I didn't know they waited so long for the MMR.
It's not that, it's the deadliness of that kind of flu once it has been spread that's the issue. There are cases of it now on more than half the continents (I think-- have to check on that)..the mortality rate is nothing to play with it. I assume that's why the MDs/PhDs/bioethicists there at least are trying to take a preemptive approach (that's what my professor is, but I'm not sure what the rest of the panel members are-- as far as credentials). It does tend to spread from sick person to sick person who are close together... and the dorming situation is a good place for that to happen here, extremely good place actually.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 6:59:42 PM
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But you essentially have to live with poultry in order to contract it to begin with. Who in a dorm is going to be keeping a large amount of chickens? LOL
Sideways, what were the factors in your decisions to give Nathan the MMR early?
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 7:01:19 PM
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But you essentially have to live with poultry in order to contract it to begin with. Who in a dorm is going to be keeping a large amount of chickens? LOL
Um...I thought the last bout of it was in Asia somewhere and there are plenty of Asian college students who might go home and then come back here carrying it.
Is there a vaccine for the avian flu? If not, it's off topic for this thread anyway.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 4/12/2008 7:03:18 PM
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How old was the child that "started" the outbreak?
Ryanne,
I can't remember if they said 18 months or 22 months. All I know is it was well past the time they are supposed to get their first mmr vaccine. They made that one perfectly clear. Two of the kids as a direct result got it, but they were both too young for that vaccine. That is what gets me angry because those babies now have to go through that and there can be complications which are not good. If I were those parents, I would be very unhappy that my child had to be subject to that for no reason.
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How did the first child get measles? Did they travel out of country?
I'd be pretty upset if I had a child to young for the MMR, and they got measles from a child in church or something. Even something as innocent as Library reading hour could spread a nasty illness.
If the first set of parents had a valid medical reason why it was dangerous for their girl to receive MMR, then okay, but you're right, she shouldn't have been in a daycare. I wonder if the other parents might be considering legal action.
They didn't say how the first child got the virus. The parents didn't vaccinate because they didn't believe in it. And as for legal action, I am not sure you can sue for that because you can sign a waiver not to vaccinate, but if your child shows ANY symptoms of anything they didn't get vaccinated for, they are to be excluded from daycare. That includes even a low grade fever. My son got sent home from school because he had a 99.0 degree temp. And there was nothing wrong with him. Not even a cough. He was back in school the next day.
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RE: Re: Measles outbreak - 4/12/2008 7:44:15 PM
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Sideways, what were the factors in your decisions to give Nathan the MMR early?
Kaiser, our doctor, recommended the first at that age. It will be split into several shots.
I've felt very comfortable with them so far, in trusting their judgment. They answer my questions and respect me as his parent.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/18/2008 2:21:53 PM
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How old was the child that "started" the outbreak?
Ryanne,
I can't remember if they said 18 months or 22 months. All I know is it was well past the time they are supposed to get their first mmr vaccine. They made that one perfectly clear. Two of the kids as a direct result got it, but they were both too young for that vaccine. That is what gets me angry because those babies now have to go through that and there can be complications which are not good. If I were those parents, I would be very unhappy that my child had to be subject to that for no reason.
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How did the first child get measles? Did they travel out of country?
I'd be pretty upset if I had a child to young for the MMR, and they got measles from a child in church or something. Even something as innocent as Library reading hour could spread a nasty illness.
If the first set of parents had a valid medical reason why it was dangerous for their girl to receive MMR, then okay, but you're right, she shouldn't have been in a daycare. I wonder if the other parents might be considering legal action.
They didn't say how the first child got the virus. The parents didn't vaccinate because they didn't believe in it. And as for legal action, I am not sure you can sue for that because you can sign a waiver not to vaccinate, but if your child shows ANY symptoms of anything they didn't get vaccinated for, they are to be excluded from daycare. That includes even a low grade fever. My son got sent home from school because he had a 99.0 degree temp. And there was nothing wrong with him. Not even a cough. He was back in school the next day.
99 degrees?  I think that's my normal body temperature. :)
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/18/2008 7:29:00 PM
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We have 4 children and all but the first have had no vaccinations. We just asked ourselves the questions...did God make us so that we needed to be injected with all kinds of foreign "stuff" to be healthy? Kind of like when the medical community said that formula was better than breast milk. All but one of our children have had the chicken pox (just like I did as a kid) and are fine. I believe it was Dr. Mendelsohn in "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor" that reported that Medical doctors are right at the top of people who do not immunize their children. It is a fascinating read and I highly recommend the book.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/18/2008 8:17:33 PM
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We have 4 children and all but the first have had no vaccinations. We just asked ourselves the questions...did God make us so that we needed to be injected with all kinds of foreign "stuff" to be healthy? Kind of like when the medical community said that formula was better than breast milk. All but one of our children have had the chicken pox (just like I did as a kid) and are fine. I believe it was Dr. Mendelsohn in "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor" that reported that Medical doctors are right at the top of people who do not immunize their children. It is a fascinating read and I highly recommend the book.
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Have your children also had measles? How did they do with that? How about polio?
Do you realize that the reason immunizations were developed was because people (mostly children) were dying in huge numbers and others were disabled for life due to what are usually referred to as terrible diseases? Due to mass immunizations, the incidence of diseases has been dramatically decreased. Therefore, our generation has not been exposed to the horror of epidemics of measles, rubella, mumps, whopping cough, small pox, polio, etc.
Comparing immunizations to formula is a grossly inaccurate analogy. Formula isn’t saving millions of lives, but immunizations are. Formula does have its place, but it is an entirely different matter than immunizations. Immunizations are medicines used to prevent diseases.
The Lord created a perfect world which has been changed by sin. He has given us tools to overcome many of the troubles brought on by the curse of sin, including teaching us how to avoid many diseases. Vaccination is one of those tools.
The diseases mentioned break out in unvaccinated populations. Rarely will a vaccinated person get a disease they were vaccinated against, but those who are not vaccinated are much more vulnerable. Some people do not vaccinate their children who have trouble with vaccinations, which is wise, but then those children are at greater risk for the diseases that vaccinations prevent when there are less vaccinated people in the population around them. Vaccinations protect the group, not just the individuals.
I did not vaccinate my children for a number of years until I had concluded my research on them. Once I had gained understanding, I took my children in and had them vaccinated for all of the diseases that I believe them to be at risk for if they are not vaccinated. All of the web-sites and books that speak against vaccination are full of lies, half truths and illogical conclusions. Yes, I really mean all of them. There is no good reason to avoid vaccinations in healthy children that do not have a family history of trouble with vaccinations. All healthy children without these factors should be vaccinated against the main childhood diseases that are preventable through vaccinations. It not only protects them individually, but it provides protection in the populations around them as well.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/18/2008 8:21:24 PM
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I believe vaccines are important for public health as a whole, and the more people that do vaccinate, the more protected those people are who cannot vaccinate for medical reasons. I just don't believe tiny, tiny babies should be having as much as soon as they are recommended. But, OTOH, I can see the need for it when so many infants and toddlers are in day care.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/18/2008 9:08:28 PM
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PrincessDonna
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If I had children in daycare, I would most certainly make sure there were vaccinated on schedule. Since I don't and our kids don't even leave us in church until they are close to a year, I feel a bit more leeway for a few months. They'll have all the ones I see as important by school age, and most of the recommended ones by puberty. I plan on at least some of our kids wanting to go on international mission's trips as teens, so we have to be ready for that. No way would I send a child/teen to another country without being completely up to date on vaccines.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/19/2008 5:40:08 PM
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In my state, children in daycare must be vaccinated. We have to provide proof of such.
In California, children in daycare must either be vaccinated or sign a waiver saying they aren't.
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This is probably a controversial opinion, but perhaps a child too young to get the MMR (I think that is a 2-month shot) is too young to be in daycare? If it wasn't measles it would have been something else-daycares, even good ones, are like hospitals, full of germs on a good day!
Yep. Controversial!  Most working moms get 6 weeks off, then need to be back to work.
Daycares, like grocery stores, libraries, homes of families with children who attend public school, are full of germs on a good day too!
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 12:17:12 AM
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I live in the area where the outbreak happened. What happened was first a child who should have had her mmr vaccine didn't because her parents didn't want to risk anything with her health. Her body was covered with the rash when they showed the pictures. The parents used two daycare centers during the time that she was contagious. In one of the daycare centers, two other children got the measles. They were not vaccinated but that was because they were not yet old enough to get it.
I honestly don't know the answer to this, so I"ll ask. During the time that measles is contagious, is it (typically) evident that the child is sick? If so, then IMHO the fault lies with the parents, not for choosing not to vaccinate, but for sending a knowingly sick child to not one, but 2 different day cares.
I know there's either the possibility that the child didn't appear sick, or that the parents NEEDED to send her to day care, but still.
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