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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 10:41:17 AM
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PrincessDonna
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What about if they come back carrying a disease they could have been vaccinated against, Maggie? That's where my concern lies. How can they take full responsibility for that without being vaccinated so it doesn't happen in the first place?
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 1:19:11 PM
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cynthia
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I believe that most viruses are contageous before a person has any symptoms.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 1:43:36 PM
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*meaning that they might be infected prior to leaving and infectious upon arrival, yet asymptomatic*
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 2:27:24 PM
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cynthia
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*meaning that they might be infected prior to leaving and infectious upon arrival, yet asymptomatic*
Yep.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 2:57:07 PM
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I honestly don't know the answer to this, so I"ll ask. During the time that measles is contagious, is it (typically) evident that the child is sick? If so, then IMHO the fault lies with the parents, not for choosing not to vaccinate, but for sending a knowingly sick child to not one, but 2 different day cares.
I know there's either the possibility that the child didn't appear sick, or that the parents NEEDED to send her to day care, but still.
I think they can spread the virus before they start to show symptoms. I do know that if a child who was not vaccinated is exposed, they keep them out of school for something like 21 days.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 8:34:22 PM
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I, as an adult, don't get the flu shot so I doubt I'll get my son to have one.
Janine,
Are you talking about a general baby flu shot, or specifically the Hib vaccination (haemophilus influenzae type b)?
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/20/2008 9:19:23 PM
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cynthia
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Little children are much more likely to die from whopping cough then are older children and adults, so it's not one I would put off. Whopping cough is not that uncommon. In our area, there have been several outbreaks amongst children that were not immunized.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/21/2008 2:03:51 PM
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cynthia
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Whopping Cough = Pertussis.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/21/2008 3:58:39 PM
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My dr said she recommends the chicken pox vax because in essense you are vaccinating against shingles, the more serious of the two.
Our oldest 3 have had chicken pox so moot point there. I will have to decide with Jacob though.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/21/2008 7:50:01 PM
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That's what they told me too (about the varicella vaccine and shingles) and I got a good case of the shingles after the military gave me the varicella. Though I had had two cases of chicken pox when young so that could've made a difference.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/21/2008 9:22:18 PM
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cynthia
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I'm not against the chicken pox vaccine. In some parts of the country, the strains are worse than in others. Lots of kids around here (at least in the homeschool community) get chicken pox. People still expose their children on purpose. I didn't do that, but it didn't matter, as two of them had it pretty bad. I agree with Jennifer that if you have your children vaccinated against chicken pox that you have to make sure they know they have to be vaccinated every ten years. Getting it as an adult can be horrible, even deadly.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/22/2008 12:49:50 AM
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Cynthia - That's what I thought! Dr. Sears was pretty passionate about that one. I think that's the only vacc he really seemed to 'encourage' vs others.
That's interesting. Why? That one is not usually regarded as that important. I was pressured to give my kids other shots, but not that one. I held off on vaccinations for a couple of years.
Many people I know have purposefully exposed their children to chicken pox. In our area, I've never heard of a dangerous case of chicken pox. It's awful when the kids have them though. I felt so badly for my children when they had them. My children got them from a family that had not yet broken out, so we didn't know they were being exposed. That was quite a few years ago. Mr. Manly (my youngest) was only two. Poor little guy. He was absolutely covered from head to toe. I'm glad they had them and got it over with though.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/22/2008 7:50:45 AM
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PrincessDonna
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Cynthia - That's what I thought! Dr. Sears was pretty passionate about that one. I think that's the only vacc he really seemed to 'encourage' vs others.
Chickenpox? No, that's not one he encouraged above others. In fact, he understood why parents would skip it, but cautioned that if you don't get the shot for your kids...don't panic when/if they get chicken pox (duh!).
Or are you talking about DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis aka whooping cough)? THAT one is highly recommended because pertussis is still very active in the US and can be dangerous for an infant especially. We had an outbreak at an elementary school here a couple years ago, and combined with Dr. Sear's thoughts, DTaP is the first vaccine this baby will get. It's also a very old, well researched vaccine, and has one of the lowest likelihoods of causing a reaction. Pertussis does not come in a separate shot, so to get one, you have to get the whole thing even though diptheria and tetanus are not nearly the danger pertussis is.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/22/2008 6:22:28 PM
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Thanks for posting about the ten year follow-ups for varicella vax, cynthia. No one informed me of that when I got it for my son, but the vaccine was very new at the time.
It seems to me that neither the vaccine nor a full-blown case of the chicken pox provide any guaranteed immunity, at least according to what I am reading on the other Vax Chat thread.
Frustrating.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/22/2008 8:47:05 PM
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cynthia
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There are no guarantees, but vaccination has significantly decreased the incidence of many diseases.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/22/2008 11:14:53 PM
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Yes, I certainly agree with that. Just not chicken pox, apparently. 
When my daughter was a baby I first began researching vaccinations, when I mentioned to an older friend of mine. What I did not know, was that her oldest child was permanently crippled by polio the year before the vaccine became available.
Listening to her story, of how they took her little girl into isolation, the waiting, the tears, no way of knowing how much damage the virus would do before it ran its course, or even if your child would live or not, unable to comfort your scared, sick little girl....let's just say I became a believer in vaccinations that day.
But the varicella vax does not appear to live up to its predecessors in efficacy, at least as far as I can tell by what I am reading on these forums, anyway.
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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 5/23/2008 11:39:03 AM
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From what I have read (though I couldn't point you to it, so you should take this with a grain of salt) there is a higher incidence in shingles at a younger age among those who have been vaccinated compared with those who did not vaccinate.
Vaccination seems to have about the same long-term helpfulness as a mild case of chicken pox, meaning not much. 
On the other hand, if anyone in my family tree anywhere experienced serious complications from chicken pox (meaning to me sores in any wet area of the body, ever, even one little spot) then I would vaccinate rather than let them be exposed to the live virus.
Some people seem more prone to things like eczema. My family is. That's why I got my son vaccinated.
My daughter only had a mild case when she caught the virus as a pre-schooler, before the vaccine came out.
I have not/will not get them tested for "immunity", as it seems there is no way to achieve "immunity", judging by the people who have had it more than once, as well as the fact that shingles is said to be a reimergence of the virus already dormant in the body, plus the shingles occurring in vaccinated people.
I think it better to focus on staying healthy with good nutrition, good rest, regular excercise and good sleep than on repeated vaccinations.
It is probably a compromised immune systen that results in the re-emergence of the virus. Where I have read of it occuring, it was in the bed-ridden elderly and college students. The elderly are obviously already weak if they are bed-ridden, and college students are notorious for poor nutrition and sleep habits.
But I'll let my teens know about the ten year option, too.
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