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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/3/2008 2:36:47 PM
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He had sex changing things doen, but wanted to one day have a baby and so kept his reproductive organs.
I'm not saying I agree with sex change operations (I personally don't) but if one is going to do it then one needs to decide on one gender or another.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/3/2008 5:16:03 PM
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This is not a man. This is a woman who altered her body, but kept her reproductive organs intact just in case she wanted to be pregnant.
If she truly wanted to be a man, she would not have become pregnant. If this lesbian couple wanted to raise a child together, I believe there's another uterus involved in the relationship?
I resent all the media coverage this is getting:
1) because this is not a pregnant man
2) because calling it such is deceptive
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/3/2008 6:47:33 PM
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then one needs to decide on one gender or another.
I agree.
Stella, I'm peeved by it too. This is not a man.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/4/2008 10:05:29 AM
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This I believe is sinful. Basically the person is saying God made a mistake and I have to correct it. I a man but I want to be a woman so I will get my external look changed to look as such. Take hormones and the like.
Using this line of logic you could make quite a lot of surgery "sinful".
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/5/2008 6:46:29 PM
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I don't consider that a man though, even though she looks like one. 
Last I checked, I looked like a man.
"It" just looks like something... icky.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/7/2008 12:49:42 PM
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Using this line of logic you could make quite a lot of surgery "sinful". There was a thread here last year on why almost all plastic surgery was sinful.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/7/2008 2:15:43 PM
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I don't think this is as rare as people want to believe. I've seen many times where people really had a temporary problem due to neuro. problems, but people condemn them because all they see is the wrong they did when they were sick. The "why" isn't taken into account, although they were literally crazy at the time. And I've also seen people try to plead insanity that were in their right minds...just trying to get out of punishment. So I can see it as an excuse, but it is also valid. It just depends on which is true.
How do we determine which is true and which is not?
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Sometimes just from reading what you say, you want to base your opinions on what you've seen and dealt with in others, but I don't understand why others can't do this in their realm of study or occupation. Many times if I say what I've seen, you just come back with what you've seen as a reason why you're "right."
I don't want to discount your experience. I've been left with the impression that you are a college student, or recent graduate, and that much of the experience you've related is academic. I know you have related some experiences with some relatives and other persons you've seen. All any of us have to go on is our experience with an issue.
Perhaps I don't communicate my experience with the issue well enough. Or, others don't understand because their experience does not mesh with mine. I feel I have some insight into this issue having worked extensively with sex offenders for five years. Yes, I've done much academic research and continue to delve into academia. But, I've also been on the line having to submit reports to the court making recommendations for release of people who have been arrested as a result of their behavior for all sorts of crimes. I have come face to face with many severely mentally disturbed people and twice as many who want to be in order to get out of the trouble they find themselves in.
I was trying to paint a bigger picture. Thing is, one person can base what they think majority reality is off his or her own experiences, then try to apply them to everyone in that condition... or not truly understand what caused the condition in the first place. I consider SSA to be (majorily) chemically induced, especially if these things were exhibited in very early childhood. Some think that SSA is a choice.
If I see a transgendered person, I don't think "that person chose to have SSA and be transgendered (they can choose to be transgendered but not choose to have SSA)." It is to them what they naturally are supposed to be. I am a female; I am attracted to males. Biochemically, that's right. But, if there is a female who desires other females, she may be biochemically wrong; hence, the problem. To them, their orientation is as natural to me as my attraction is to males. No one is saying it's always a chemical problem; some are trying to say you don't KNOW if it's chemical or not, and it very well could be-- and it could be in most cases. I know it is in some cases, just from experience, but not everyone with SSA is about to see if they have hormone imbalances. And I'm sure some are okay with just being gay or transgendered... or whatever the case may be.
If they are chemically identified as a female, but they are male outwardly, transgenderism may be their way of being what they are internally. People want to say that the feelings themselves are a choice. If people want to believe that, it's fine. I don't believe that. And I'm not saying it's right to be a transgendered person, but the core feelings may be no fault to the person who is feeling them.
My point was that many scientists and doctors I know believe this, and in their "experiences" can say it's true (not of everyone of course), but then so can someone else in their own field, with a totally different observation. But what makes your experience the right experience? Why can't someone else's be right? That was my point...although I think many things can be right. Many things have numerous origins. But then all the time I see where one person is so bent on being right that he can't take any other thoughts or observations into consideration. (I'm not saying all this of you, but the whole issue in general.)
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/7/2008 2:33:43 PM
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She is not a man - but a female with a man's haircut who took some hormones and had surgery to remove her female breasts.
In any jail/prison in the U.S. - what determines the classification of an inmate is what genitalia the individual has. This individual has female genitalia, no?
If so, then she is a woman.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/9/2008 12:14:59 AM
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I think whether or not transgendered people have a case all depends upon whether or not the brain itself is a sex organ. OR in other words, whether or not the brain itself can be "hard wired" to be "female" or "male" at birth. If the brain is a sex organ (i.e. it determines one's gender predisposition), then obviously one's genitals would be secondary, and it would be conceivable that one could be born with a female brain and male sex organs, or vice versa.
I actually think that the brain being the primary sex organ tends to make more sense, as one's genitals themselves don't transmit desire in anyway (beyond producing hormones and sex drive), and there are some limited studies which suggest as much (i.e. analysis of transgenedered brains tend to show that they are more similar in function and design to the opposite sex), but I don't think there's enough evidence to state this conclusively.
I don't think it is outside of a Biblical world view that such a thing could occur, though. People are born with all sorts of things that differentiate them from the biological "norm" (i.e. people are born blind, deaf, with hormonal conditions, with diabetes, and the list goes on and on), all of which most Christians accept as just being the natural consequences of a "fallen" biology. So I don't see why it would be so outlandish that a female brain could be born in a male body, or that we could have things like hermaphrodites and such (including the wide variety of hermphaditism, from just males or females who have sex organs that appear like the opposite gender, to what they call "true" hermaphodites who have the required genetic mutation).
If I knew someone who wanted a sex change, though, I can't say I'd encourage them to go through with it. I think it's too massive an irreversible change, especially for male to females. I'd recommend they find some way to live their gender identity with the genitals they were born with still intact, as many male to female transexuals end up having the ultimate in "buyers remorse," although you usually don't hear their stories in the media.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/9/2008 12:26:43 AM
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In any jail/prison in the U.S. - what determines the classification of an inmate is what genitalia the individual has. This individual has female genitalia, no?
This mostly depends upon the degree of operation, though.
With Male to Female transgendered people, there's more "material" to work with, and they are basically taking something and molding it into something else a little less (without getting too graphic), so the transformation would "look" more convincing. So if you go strictly by genitalia, I don't think a Male to female transexual who has taken the hormones, got the breasts, and had a vaginoplasty (is that what they call it?) would be placed into a male prison. They'd be placed with other women.
I think female to male transexuals are harder to place, though, just because the operation isn't as convincing. They still haven't figured out a convincing way to make a penis out of a vagina, so most opt for no surgery on that area of their bodies, and just have their breasts removed and take hormones. I have no idea where they would place such people when it comes to prison. I have a hard time believing they would be place with other men, though, as it seems it would make them a target for rape or other abuse.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/9/2008 2:47:38 PM
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Of course I can only speak for the Sheriff's department I work for - but they would be asked if they wanted PC (protective custody) or not. If they refuse it.. then to Gen Pop they go unless a judge says otherwise.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/9/2008 5:11:47 PM
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I consider SSA to be (majorily) chemically induced, especially if these things were exhibited in very early childhood. Some think that SSA is a choice.
Why do you consider SSA to be chemically induced? Is sexual arousal not a choice? I find it interesting that we have applied the term attraction to matters regarding sexuality. Yet, we are attracted to all kinds of things. But, not everything arouses us.
While I am not discounting chemical/biological factors outright, based on the life stories of many men and women I've worked with, there is a lot of thought that goes into arousal and even more thought as to acting on that arousal.
My argument is that we have control over our chemical imbalances the effect our thoughts. Even if mediucation is involved, ultimately we have to decide which path we are going to follow.
And, just for the record, inmates are classified as male/female for how they will be housed. I've worked for the state prison system here and have been in countless county jails. If it has male parts, he is housed with the men.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/9/2008 11:00:38 PM
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I consider SSA to be (majorily) chemically induced, especially if these things were exhibited in very early childhood. Some think that SSA is a choice.
Why do you consider SSA to be chemically induced? Is sexual arousal not a choice? I find it interesting that we have applied the term attraction to matters regarding sexuality. Yet, we are attracted to all kinds of things. But, not everything arouses us.
I can't make myself be attracted (sexually) to another female. Many times, homosexuals can't force themselves to be attracted to the opposite sex. Just like I can't make myself do the unnatural, they can't make themselves do the natural. The "natural" to them IS the same sex. It's the way their biology is set up (in these chemical cases).
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While I am not discounting chemical/biological factors outright, based on the life stories of many men and women I've worked with, there is a lot of thought that goes into arousal and even more thought as to acting on that arousal.
My argument is that we have control over our chemical imbalances the effect our thoughts. Even if mediucation is involved, ultimately we have to decide which path we are going to follow.
I don't believe we can control our chemical imbalances that effect our thoughts-- not all the time, and not as much as people think. It depends on the individual, and what has lost balance. Other kinds of issues caused by chemical imbalances should illustrate that, at least somewhat (not talking about transgenderism, but problems with neuroscience). Depressed people should be able to force themselves joyous all the time; schizo's could think themselves well; people with OCD can just snap out of it and be "normal"... It's a cool thought, but that's not the way it works with imbalances (not all the time). I don't think thoughts are always decisions, and like I said, if you're biologically a female, whether or not you have male genetalia, you'll be attracted to men. Just like I can't change the fact that I'm a biological female attracted to males, they can't change the "backwardness" of their biology in relation to their physical bodies. The brain (as I see it) is the primary sexual organ... the physical sex organs are secondary. I guess kind of like what Henny said.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 12:16:56 AM
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The "natural" to them IS the same sex. It's the way their biology is set up (in these chemical cases).
How do you "know" this?
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I can't make myself be attracted (sexually) to another female.
Perhaps, but what if you found yourself in a realtionship with a woman that, somehow, became sexual? Does that mean you would be attracted to women? Or, was it something about that particular relationship that aroused you and got you to violate your norm?
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Just like I can't make myself do the unnatural, they can't make themselves do the natural.
If this is the case, then it opens the door to having to accept pedophilia too because they can't help the way they were wired and can't make themselve do the natural. I've worked with too many men who have offended against children. None of them want to be identified as pedophiles. Most of them were engaged in sexual relationships with the mothers of the children they offended against. Are these guys attracted to kids? Not necessarily. Mostly, they are so aroused by the act of sex itself that they set up situations/scenarios to get access or allow sexual activity to occur. While you say you cannot be "attracted" to another woman, there is nothing saying you can't be seduced into a sexual relationship that would cause you to question yourself.
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Depressed people should be able to force themselves joyous all the time; schizo's could think themselves well; people with OCD can just snap out of it and be "normal"... It's a cool thought, but that's not the way it works with imbalances (not all the time).
I agree with you on this matter. However, when it comes to sexual issues, thoughts are the genesis for sexual activity to occur. We do have control over this facet of ourselves. Granted, there are the few cases of people with severe mental illness such as schizophrenia who have little control over their thought lives. But, after working with people convicted of sex crimes over an extended period of time, it has become clear to me that our sexual behavior is manifested in our thought lives and that we do have the ability to control what and how we think. If not, we'd be no better than the monkey's we supposedly evolved from, doing it all the time and throwing feces at those who gawk at us.
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I don't think thoughts are always decisions,
We have to decide what to do with our thoughts. If the thought is about causing harm to another person, we have to decide to get rid of the thought. If the thought is about having an affair with another, we have to decide whether to follow through or get rid of it. While thoughts are not always decisions, we have to deceide what to do with thoughts that inspire behavior.
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Just like I can't change the fact that I'm a biological female attracted to males, they can't change the "backwardness" of their biology in relation to their physical bodies.
By this statement you seem to be saying that God can't change anyone from the old way of thinking to a new way of thinking. In and of ourselves, we are powerless to change. Yet, God is more than capable of changing us. How come then, there are so many stories of people who have changed from gay to straight?
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The brain (as I see it) is the primary sexual organ... the physical sex organs are secondary. I guess kind of like what Henny said.
Which to me supports my point. Sex begins in our thought life and we control who and what arouses us and how we set up situations to cause sex to occur.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 3:02:17 AM
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We should probably get back on track here and move this discussion to the infamous homosexuality thread. This thread isn't about homosexuality. Then again, I can't help but respond to a few short points.
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Why do you consider SSA to be chemically induced? Is sexual arousal not a choice? I find it interesting that we have applied the term attraction to matters regarding sexuality. Yet, we are attracted to all kinds of things. But, not everything arouses us.
I disagree with this statement (well, parts of it). Sexual attraction and arousal are different. I believe that neither of these things are choices, though. Arousal is a physical and mental response to a stimulus. At least in females (barring some physical problems), some physical arousal occurs every time one is in a sexual situation (including rape) as a defensive mechanism. I really don't think she is choosing to be aroused when being raped. And she definitely isn't going to be mentally aroused. Sexual Attraction is directed towards specific people, and is much easier to repress than arousal I think. Since I don't experience it, I wouldn't know for sure. I also think that it can be willfully repressed but willfully creating it is much more rare. I think it is a common stimulus for mental arousal.
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Perhaps, but what if you found yourself in a realtionship with a woman that, somehow, became sexual? Does that mean you would be attracted to women? Or, was it something about that particular relationship that aroused you and got you to violate your norm?
Sexual relations do not equal sexual attraction. There are plenty of other reasons for a relationship to become sexual, such as wanting to please a partner. Often in situations in which there is no sexual attraction the physical arousal can happen but the mental arousal can't happen. Then again, this could just be an asexual phenomenon.
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By this statement you seem to be saying that God can't change anyone from the old way of thinking to a new way of thinking. In and of ourselves, we are powerless to change. Yet, God is more than capable of changing us. How come then, there are so many stories of people who have changed from gay to straight?
The numbers are less than less than 40% for females and only 11% for males, and I think even those numbers were biased because a good percentage of the participants in the study were ex-gay therapists themselves. More of the participants were able to fully repress any sexuality than become heterosexual. The majority of those who did become heterosexual were bisexual before. If there is a God, it seems to me like he is being very choosy about who he changes. Or that a small minority of people can change themselves through a long and difficult process. Could these be the people that best fit the stereotype that the therapists claim causes homosexuality? I don't know. I wish the study had assessed this.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 3:33:21 AM
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On to the stuff that is relevant to this thread...
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I'm not saying I agree with sex change operations (I personally don't) but if one is going to do it then one needs to decide on one gender or another.
A lot of things that he said on the program regarding this make sense to me.
1.) That the surgery options for transmen haven't been perfected yet.
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2.) That wanting to have a child is a human desire, not a female desire. His wife could not bear any more children, so he is simply carrying the child. I think that was his reasoning for not having his womb closed as well.
I would not consider his sex to be male. I would say that his gender traits are more male, and that his gender is male. Based on the overwhelming agreement on this board (which I don't share), I would say that sex is viewed as the determining factor for sexual orientation, not gender. I think this says a lot about the chimera issue we were previously discussing (post # 480). It suggests that such a person's orientation is not determined by gender identity. Therefore, the assertion that the person is both heterosexual and homosexual, yet neither heterosexual nor homosexual stands in my opinion. I don't think it's fair to change the standards around.
That's interesting about the prison thing. I didn't know that someone who is legally male could be placed in a female prison.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 9:05:58 AM
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Redcoat, I think the reason why SSA is important in transgenderism is that a lot of them are transgendered because they feel that they are the opposite sex in the wrong body and/or are attracted to the same sex. But the same is true of homosexuality. I think SSA is an issue in both.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 9:35:25 AM
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We are getting off track here. I can understand the flow of the conversation but this is the Transgendered/Crossdressing thread and we need to get back to it. Thanks
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 9:59:55 AM
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How do you "know" this?
From MY experiences with people like this (and also others' experiences and studying this from medical/scientific lit.-- preferably from all over [not just the US]). I didn't say they were all like that though.
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If this is the case, then it opens the door to having to accept pedophilia too because they can't help the way they were wired and can't make themselve do the natural.
No. The desire might be natural to them. Acting on the desire is the choice and having a sex change (for example) is a choice, unless the person has a severe problem. I'm not into pedophilia-- even to study it; I can speak more on homosexuals and transgendered people.
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I've worked with too many men who have offended against children. None of them want to be identified as pedophiles. Most of them were engaged in sexual relationships with the mothers of the children they offended against. Are these guys attracted to kids? Not necessarily. Mostly, they are so aroused by the act of sex itself that they set up situations/scenarios to get access or allow sexual activity to occur.
I think that's a big part of the problem (like I've said before). You keep taking your criminal experiences with pedophiles and trying to apply them to homosexuals and transgendered people.  That could work, except they're different things-- different enough that they cannot be done this way. I don't think these two compare like you're trying to.
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We have to decide what to do with our thoughts. If the thought is about causing harm to another person, we have to decide to get rid of the thought. If the thought is about having an affair with another, we have to decide whether to follow through or get rid of it. While thoughts are not always decisions, we have to deceide what to do with thoughts that inspire behavior.
Yes, if you have the ability. I think most homosexuals do. But my thing is, SSA and who you are sexually attracted to is not a decision. You can decide not to act on the attraction however-- you can decide to be transgendered or not to be transgendered. If a transgendered person is biologically one sex but physically another, I'm not sure how much of an issue people should have with them "changing" over so that their sexes match-- not if they could truly know that this person has a problem.
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By this statement you seem to be saying that God can't change anyone from the old way of thinking to a new way of thinking. In and of ourselves, we are powerless to change. Yet, God is more than capable of changing us. How come then, there are so many stories of people who have changed from gay to straight?
He may help change someone. But if someone does have this problem, the help may actually be through doctors, to make the person the sex that they are supposed to be, or that the person and society realize this is a problem that they didn't bring on themselves and are not choosing to do or be. That help may also be through hormone therapy (I've seen that happen.) I don't think there are "so many stories" though-- not of change. There may be in your experiences with people, but these issues aren't the same issues for one thing, and your experiences may not be reflective of the whole. Like I said, I think that many of these issues are chemical, and many doesn't mean all. I suggest that the people who change might have another issue, or God just "healed" them.
It's feasibly to me, as a Christian, that if a person is born both sexes, that they try to correct it or either accept it. I'm not sure why we have to keep talking about pedophiles though. I think an issue is that many Christians can't accept that *maybe* somoene is a girl and a boy, and that *maybe* they want to try to do something about it to be "right." It's a choice to get the change, but it's no choice to be born two sexes. And being born two sexes will (might) mess up the person enough for them to want to get a sex change to be "normal." I understand that. I don't see what's hard to understand about the issue from that viewpoint. I do understand that some people don't think that people with this problem exist however.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 10:25:01 AM
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that they try to correct
If you correct it wouldn't you be saying that God made a mistake?
I saw a very interesting show on Discovery Health about Chimarism(sp?)- Someone both born with male/female DNA.(I think) but not both sex organs.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 10:27:30 AM
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solo_soprano22
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ORIGINAL: stampinlady
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that they try to correct
If you correct it wouldn't you be saying that God made a mistake?
I saw a very interesting show on Discovery Health about Chimarism(sp?)- Someone both born with male/female DNA.(I think) but not both sex organs.
No. Just like people are born with other problems that they try to fix. I don't attribute such things to God; that's just a result of a fallen world.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 1:04:47 PM
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zamdad
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You keep taking your criminal experiences with pedophiles and trying to apply them to homosexuals and transgendered people.
I think this is where the problem lies in trying to understand issues in general. As people, we like to categorize. We want to lump people into one category or another to fit our own understanding. While I have worked with people convicted of criminal offenses, they are no different that the average Joe. They have been caught, tried and convicted of a criminal offense. There are countless more people guilty of the same crimes who have not been caught, tried and convicted.
While many of the men I worked with had molested a child (under 18), very few of them were true pedophiles (aroused by prepubescent children). They are attracted to/aroused by same age women but allowed their perversion to spill over into inappropriate areas.
Anyway, it seems we have muddled some interrelated things that has digressed from the particular topic at hand. If you want to continue this discussion, perhaps we should move it to the other one stop thread.
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RE: Transgenderism/Crossdressing One Stop thread - 4/10/2008 1:26:31 PM
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WesP
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Bottom line: arguing for or against causation is pointless. In any instance of societal perversion, we can recognize the absence of Christ. The solution is not to make excuses, but to evangelize, be truthful, and pray with everything we have.
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