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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/4/2007 4:17:47 PM
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Randy Couture looked phenomenal in his victory at UFC 68 (five rounds, unanimous judges' decision). Within 5 seconds he had stunned Sylvia with a solid punch, sending him to the canvas!
A 43 yr old fighter comes out of retirement, beats a bigger guy for his third belt in 3 different divisions, and gives glory to God in front of hundreds of thousands of viewers! 
Randy will have to fight Cro Cop to keep his belt, who is downright scary!
I was impressed with Rich Franklin, who is very classy, even in victory. Reigning champ Anderson Silva was booed when his picture was shown on the screen in Ohio, but Rich admonished the crowd not to boo Silva.
Matt Hughes won, Renato Sobral was knocked out...
Unfortunately I didn't get to see the fights, but from what I read on the play by play commentaries online it sounds like both Couture and Franklin absolutely dominated their opponents.
I expected Randy to win, but I never thought it would be this convincing. It's to bad he won't be able to keep the belt that long because I really don't see him beating Cro Crop.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/5/2007 11:04:29 AM
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Unfortunately I didn't get to see the fights, but from what I read on the play by play commentaries online it sounds like both Couture and Franklin absolutely dominated their opponents.
I expected Randy to win, but I never thought it would be this convincing. It's to bad he won't be able to keep the belt that long because I really don't see him beating Cro Crop.
I was really worried that IF he won against Silvia that he'd be crushed by Cro Cop. After the way he looked Saturday,though, I wouldn't put anything past him! Randy ROCKS!! Joe Rogan was practically in tears - LOL! After the fight, Randy thanked Jesus and our troops - classy guy.
I wasn't very impressed with Hughes - Lytle did much better than I thought he would. Franklin looked great... a guess the jitters didn't hurt him much.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/5/2007 10:33:07 PM
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I was really worried that IF he won against Silvia that he'd be crushed by Cro Cop. After the way he looked Saturday,though, I wouldn't put anything past him! Randy ROCKS!! Joe Rogan was practically in tears - LOL! After the fight, Randy thanked Jesus and our troops - classy guy.
I wasn't very impressed with Hughes - Lytle did much better than I thought he would. Franklin looked great... a guess the jitters didn't hurt him much.
I hope Randy can keep it up, but I just don't think it is going to happen. In his first fight against Liddell he completely dominated him, and then he was dominated in the next two fights. Yes Liddell changed his strategy, but Randy didn't look all that good either. But you never know. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
I really don't know what is up with Hughes. I am beginning wonder if he is starting to lose interest or if the wear and tear of the UFC is beginning to have an affect on his body. He does have over 40 fights.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/6/2007 10:34:41 AM
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I hope Randy can keep it up, but I just don't think it is going to happen. In his first fight against Liddell he completely dominated him, and then he was dominated in the next two fights. Yes Liddell changed his strategy, but Randy didn't look all that good either. But you never know. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
I really don't know what is up with Hughes. I am beginning wonder if he is starting to lose interest or if the wear and tear of the UFC is beginning to have an affect on his body. He does have over 40 fights.
Apparently Randy was going through a pretty nasty divorce during his last couple of fights. He said he was emotionally a wreck. He said that was why he looked so bad - I didn't know if I really believed that was the reason, but he sure looked much better Saturday. He's got a new wife and is apparently doing much better. I thought maybe he would retire again since he got the heavyweight belt again, but he sounded like he is going to try to stick around.
Of course, Cro Cop is not Tim Silvia. Tim Silvia (IMHO) just coasts through his fights. Mirko Cro Cop is a whole different beast. I still worry about Randy getting hurt, but I feel better after seeing him do so well against Silvia. Silvia didn't know what hit him! 
As for Hughes, I don't know... I don't know if you're a boxing fan, but do you remember when Roy Jones Jr. was on top of the world - then he suddenly looked as if his heart had completely left him. Maybe you get to a point after so many fights (especially after being on top) that you feel like you've already done it all, so you're not as desperate to win. Who knows. Hughes didn't look as bad as Jones did, but it is reminiscent to me.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/6/2007 11:20:02 PM
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Apparently Randy was going through a pretty nasty divorce during his last couple of fights. He said he was emotionally a wreck. He said that was why he looked so bad - I didn't know if I really believed that was the reason, but he sure looked much better Saturday. He's got a new wife and is apparently doing much better. I thought maybe he would retire again since he got the heavyweight belt again, but he sounded like he is going to try to stick around.
My wrestling coach in highschool used to say that wrestling is 99% mental and 1%physical. I would have to agree with this statement and think the same could be said for MMA. Maybe Randy's head wasn't into some of his fights that would definitely explain his poor performances. I just hope he knows when its time for him to call it a career.
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As for Hughes, I don't know... I don't know if you're a boxing fan, but do you remember when Roy Jones Jr. was on top of the world - then he suddenly looked as if his heart had completely left him. Maybe you get to a point after so many fights (especially after being on top) that you feel like you've already done it all, so you're not as desperate to win. Who knows. Hughes didn't look as bad as Jones did, but it is reminiscent to me.
I was a huge Roy Jones Jr. fan and even remember watching his gold medal match in the olympics. A fight that I believe he won by a huge margin even though the judges didn't see it that way. But to get back on topic I do believe Hughes's and Jones's careers are beginning to look very similar. I just hope he knows when to call it a career as well.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/7/2007 1:44:58 PM
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UFC is awesome. I used to train with Royce and Rorion Gracie back in high school in the days b4 UFC blew them up. It was tiny sparring classes with like 2 people. it was awesome. Those guys changed the way fighters train. now everyone knows how to grapple!
I know its kinda too violent for some tastes, but it is way better than boxing. And not rigged like boxing.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/12/2007 2:11:13 AM
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Do any of you think fighting is Biblical?
Ezekial 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
I've watched the UFC since the 6th grade and was addicted to it and still am in a way. I check the fighters records now and then.
But do any of you get the feeling that violence is not Biblical? If not, where in the Bible do you justify watching the UFC?
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/13/2007 6:13:51 AM
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I don't watch MMA much, but I like doing it. Different if someone I know is fighting, then I am right there screaming at the front like a lunatic  .
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Do any of you think fighting is Biblical?
Jesus is coming back fighting with His saints, I'm getting ready Revelation 6:2 , Jude 14.
2 Chronicles 11:1 "And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he gathered of the house of Judah and Benjamin an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors...."
Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.
13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/13/2007 11:15:29 PM
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Giulia,
Really?
I used to watch the UFC since the sixth grade, I'm 25 now. I used to be a huge fan. But now I can't see how these things can benefit a Christian.
Those versus you quoted, are for Gods glory. Wars in the bible show that you can't fight against God and win. How does fighting in a ring glorify God? Gods nation of Israel would be undefeated if they accepted Jesus. To this day, despite their unbelief, God has blessed them with an ally who is the #1 super power in the world, military and financial might for such a tiny nation.
Does it Glorify God when you give thanks after beating someone up?
How do you know how tough your opponents skull is? If the punches from past fights are accumulating, he could be headed toward brain damage in the future. That's a serious health condition when your fifty years old, or any age for that matter.
Look at the environment these main stream shows take place in (UFC, Bodog, King of the Cage, etc.) they are half bar and half strip club with all the bikini clad ring girls. The majority of fighters are Godless, with their parting.
Warriors in the bible are always fighting for God against those who don't believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
Thanks for your time in posting a reply.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/14/2007 1:17:52 PM
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In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul uses the illustrations of boxers and runners in the games (Isthmian). He is using them as a favorable comparison to himself and his "fight" and "race". I don't really think he would use something he felt was evil as a metaphor for himself.
That being said, I do think there should be reasonable limits on fighting - which is why I enjoy the UFC so much more now. I didn't like watching it in the "old days" as there were no rules. People get hurt playing football, basketball, or any other sport where there is contact. I don't think contact sports are unbiblical. Obviously beating up an unwilling victim is something much different than two adults choosing to spar, wrestle, box, etc.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/16/2007 2:17:44 AM
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lilyofthefield,
Where in 1 Corinthians 9 do you get boxers? I read about runners in a race... and beating the air.
I guess this is why you have denominations really.
So if you watch an event, or hear of someone dieing in an MMA match. You'll have a clear conscience? Just because two people decided to fight? Knowing that person died in their sins(assuming they weren't christians)?
1 Timothy 4:
7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
If bodily exercise "profiteth little" how much more would fist fighting profit?
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/16/2007 12:54:34 PM
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lilyofthefield,
Where in 1 Corinthians 9 do you get boxers? I read about runners in a race... and beating the air.
I guess this is why you have denominations really.
It has nothing to do with denominations. It has to do with studying the original Greek text. The words used by Paul are outw pukteuw. "So I fight". The word pukteuw is applied to the boxers, or the pugilists, in the Grecian games. It was a common sport at the time.
hws ouk aera derwn Not as one that beateth the air. "The phrase here is taken from the habits of the pugilists or boxers, who were accustomed, before entering the lists, to exercise their limbs with the gauntlet, in order to acquire greater skill and dexterity. There was also, before the real contest commenced, a play with their fists and weapons, by way of show or bravado, which was called skiamacia, a mock-battle, or a fighting the air."
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So if you watch an event, or hear of someone dieing in an MMA match. You'll have a clear conscience? Just because two people decided to fight? Knowing that person died in their sins(assuming they weren't christians)?
Why would my conscience not be clear? Of course, I would be saddened if something that tragic happened, just as I am when someone is injured in a football game or any other sport. Why would you assume these people are not Christians? Randy Couture, who just won the heavy weight belt for the 3rd time, is an outspoken Christian. There are many boxers and fighters who are Christians. I am a martial artist - and a Christian.
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8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
NIV: 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
Amp: 8For physical training is of some value (useful for a little), but godliness (spiritual training) is useful and of value in everything and in every way, for it holds promise for the present life and also for the life which is to come.
NLT: 8 “Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come.”
NKJV: 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come.
This verse was a common saying at the time. The purspose was not to exhort people against exercising. The point is that exercising physically can profit us physically, so much more can "exercising" our spirit profit us in every way. Of course, knowing God, reading His Word, keeping Him first is of more value than anything else in the world. In other words, all the exercise, education, etc. in the world means nothing if we don't have God. Exercise is just used as an illustration in the verse.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/17/2007 12:48:40 AM
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I still don't see where your coming from, Greek or English.
1 Corinthians 9 26: I therefore so run, nat as uncertainly, so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
So if what your saying is indeed referring to Boxers, it would say: So I fight not as a boxer,
Not as a Boxer. Not as one that beateth the air. He doesn't say as or like or the same as a Boxer.
I'll have to e-mail or ask my Pastor to see if he can clarify what you're saying.
Think of it like this. Go to any Jesus Christ believing Church. Tell them you and a bunch of other Christians want to set up an Octagon in Church and fight for believing fans. And see how well that goes over. If you wouldn't do that in Church, why would you live out the rest of the week doing or watching this sort of thing?
Not every fighter is a Christian. They are a very small percentage. Plus the Bible gives a lot stronger verses against violence, than for it.
Honestly, how could you walk into Vegas a placed called "Sin City" that coined "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" as a fan or fighter in an arena with Bikini clad ring girls, Beat somebody up or watch it and then thank God for it?
Look at the fruit that comes from these events for fans: alcohol, gambling, parting.
Then from the fighters: they attend the after parties, abuse steroids, and every other sin along with it.
And people like Randy Couture, Quentin Jackson, Diego Sanchez, Matt Hughes, Vitor Belfort, Renato Sobral, Ron Waterman etc. bring money into these events with all the advertising etc.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 3/19/2007 2:18:35 PM
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Sounds like a good discussion... to take up in Morality and Ethics.
So, UFC 69 Shootout is coming up, and the fight card looks pretty good. The main event is supposed to be GSP vs. Matt Sera, but I'm pretty anxious to see the fight between Diego Sanchez and Josh Koschek. A poll on UFC.com showed that 75% of the voters thought that Diego Sanchez would beat Josh Koschek. I figured that most would vote for Diego, but I didn't think the gap would be so wide.
I listed a few of the fights from the card below... Who are your picks?!
GSP vs. Matt Sera
Roger Huerta vs. Leonard Garcia
Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck
Yushin Okami vs. Mike Quick Swick
Alan Belcher vs. Kendall Grove
Brad Imes vs. Heath Herring
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/5/2007 5:56:45 PM
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Fight Night Live tonight on Spike!
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Also, the premier of Ultimate Fighter 5!! BJ Penn and Jens Pulver are the coaches and will fight each other at the end of the season. Who's going to be watching?
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/6/2007 11:06:35 AM
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Well, it was a pretty good fight night. Did you get to see it? If not, I'm sure they'll replay it some time. One thing that was hilarious - you know how they are always promoting Xyience - wearing the shirts - drinking the drink on camera? Well, after Kenny Florian's fight, during the interview he's making a big production with the drink and everything. He keeps acting like he's drinking it for the camera, but he keeps getting more and more animated as he's talking and is flinging the can around between "sips". The can wasn't even open... I mean, I know it's just for show, but come on! 
Ultimate Fighter 5 looks like it will be a crazy season. So many of the guys wanted to be on BJ Penn's team. I don't really get that. I know he's more well-known than Pulver, but I always get the impression that he's a bit lazy. He's got mad skills, but I think a lot is natural talent. I guess I'm just assuming since he usually looks a bit "soft".
Well, have a good Easter!
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/6/2007 9:01:44 PM
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Well, it was a pretty good fight night. Did you get to see it? If not, I'm sure they'll replay it some time. One thing that was hilarious - you know how they are always promoting Xyience - wearing the shirts - drinking the drink on camera? Well, after Kenny Florian's fight, during the interview he's making a big production with the drink and everything. He keeps acting like he's drinking it for the camera, but he keeps getting more and more animated as he's talking and is flinging the can around between "sips". The can wasn't even open... I mean, I know it's just for show, but come on!
Ultimate Fighter 5 looks like it will be a crazy season. So many of the guys wanted to be on BJ Penn's team. I don't really get that. I know he's more well-known than Pulver, but I always get the impression that he's a bit lazy. He's got mad skills, but I think a lot is natural talent. I guess I'm just assuming since he usually looks a bit "soft".
Well, have a good Easter!
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Unfortunately I didn't get to see it. I wish I could have seen the botched Xyience promotion. When NASCAR drivers do their beverage promotions they at least take a couple of drinks. 
It doesn't surpise me that everyone wanted to go with Penn. Personally I feel he is one of the most talented fighters in the UFC he just happens to be one of the laziest as well. I think everyone is just looking to pick his brain and they probably don't care whether he's in shape.
You have a good Easter as well!
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/7/2007 7:32:06 PM
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I am watching the replay now...
Barring any ISP problems, I will watch the UFC 69 event via webcast.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/9/2007 12:04:32 AM
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UFC 69 was good. I was stunned to see Serra hammer GSP like that.
Koscheck fought pretty smart, and he never let Sanchez take him to the mat for a rear naked choke or ground and pound. This probably frustrated Diego, seeing how much he hates Josh--even to the point of shoving him during the weigh ins.
Serra's student Luke Cummo beat up Josh Haynes...
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/9/2007 10:52:56 AM
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It was awesome! I didn't think Serra had a chance, but he put GSP away - and fast! I like both of them, but I'm happy for Serra.
Even though Koscheck beat Sanchez, it was probably the most boring fight of the evening. Koscheck played it smart and turned it into a boxing match. Apparently Sanchez did some training with Oscar De La Hoya, but it didn't do him any good. He didn't let his hands go hardly at all - when he did he was very inaccurate and had no power. Koscheck, on the other hand, has obviously worked very hard on his boxing skills. They're both a little weird, but Sanchez takes the cake in that department.
If not for the big upset (Serra over GSP), the best fight of the night would have been Roger Huerta vs. Leonard Garcia. Wow, what a fight!! If you like the classic brawls between Mexican fighters in boxing, you'd love this. Both these guys were full of heart - and didn't stop for a second. Garcia, who was really getting a good beating, smiled through the whole thing! They were both very respectful and gracious as well.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/9/2007 9:01:19 PM
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There is the old adage--"never leave the decision in the hands of the judges". The welterweight division has Matt Hughes, the champ Matt Serra, GSP and Koscheck. Diego may not get the title shot as soon as he hoped. Some UFC officials thought the fight was horrible!
Garcia took some major hits that would have knocked most fighters out cold! Huerta and Gonzalez showed alot of class, and they made the PPV worth the price..
And, Quintin Jackson is going to face Chuck Lidell for the title. Mirko Crocop may be going for Randy Couture's heavyweight belt.
Has anyone heard about the boxing match between UFC Prez Dana White and Tito Ortiz? It will be televised April 12th.
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RE: Any UFC Fans??? - 4/11/2007 3:29:56 PM
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I heard Tito didn't show up for the fight, but Spike is planning on airing Ortiz vs. White I think tomorrow night at 11?? DH and I though it must be a joke... I'm intrigued.
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, but I did get to see the shocking results. I got to say I never expected Serra to pull it off, but somehow he did. Congrats to him. 