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The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/20/2006 1:17:47 AM
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Daniel Chapter 11:38
He speaks about a Middle Eastern god, ASIDE FROM ELOHIM AND YAHWEH, remember this was BEFORE ISLAM, and this was BEFORE Mohammad or Allah ever existed. Chapter 9:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom HIS FATHERS KNEW NOT SHALL HE SHALL HE HONOUR
(Ok folks, what does this tell you about this Middle Eastern God? How could this Man whom Daniel speaks about Honor this god which his fathers did not know? Did the Early Arabs Know Mohammad or Allah? Nope. Was Ismael a Muslim? Nope. So what Kind of God came after the early Middle Eastern Countries within the Arab Nations? You got it folks! Islam) with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Now continue to Verse 39 of Chapter 9
Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Does this sound Familiar, is Israel Not Divided? Who is this strange god that he acknowledges and increase with glory? Why is Allah Consider the MOST merciful, if he is supposed to be the One true God. Why would he have an adjective describing him being 1st of Many, if he's the Only One? Why Not Allah the Merciful, or Allah the Great, but no, Allah the GREATEST. What has Islam gained since it's time, most of the Middle East, Rapid conversions in the Eastern Parts of Asia, the Pacific Islands, Europe, Many withing the Black Community. See where I'm headed.
This Man that gives glory to his God, the MAHDI, or the Muslim Messiah. Also in the Bible called the Man of Perdition, THE ANTI-CHRIST. Because this man, who will lead Islam to Conquer Jerusalem, has denied YESHUA(JESUS), and blasphemed against God, saying his Torah and New Testament are Corrupt, and has waged war against God's Saints and Israel.
This Mahdi or Islamic Messiah sounds like the Anti-Christ LOOk
A Summary Of Comparisons Between The Islamic And Biblical Narrative Of The End-Times
So in summary we conclude this section with a final review of the many startling similarities that exist between the biblical narrative of the last-days and the Islamic narrative of the same period.
· Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.
· Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.
[Edited by moderator - copyright violation. Please see link for the rest of the list of comparisons.]
Courtesy of http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch18_a_summary_of_comparisons.htm
< Message edited by UnorthodoxChristian -- 12/20/2006 11:59:17 AM >
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/20/2006 8:09:14 AM
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First of all there is no Daniel 9:38, you mean Daniel 11:38. I have written many times on this forum, the antichrist is no world leader. He is the man of sin, the son of perdition, the betrayer of the church, the false prophet from among you. These are not my words of understanding, but John, who was a gift of apostle to the church. He is not you enemy but your friend, a man. For a enemy cannot betray you, only a friend.
All of this you write I will respond only by the words of Paul:
"That you might charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith." (1 Tim 1:3-4)
All that you write are fables, that minister questions, and the responses you will get will be more fables, ministering more questions. This is not godly edifying which is in the faith, the faith of Jesus. Let the gospel be preached, that the Christ, Yeshua died for our sins according to the scriptures (the entire Old Testament), He was buried and He rose again the third day according to the scriptures (the entire Old Testament). (1 cor 15:1-6, Luke 24) Preach by the grace and will of God, if there be grace to preach the one true gospel, and then there will be understanding.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/20/2006 8:28:54 AM
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It's an interesting theory, and not a new one. Many have considered this.
However, there are things to consider. Satan did not understand prophecy prior to Christ or John writing about it. Obviously, after prophecy was put into scripture, Satan is going to interpret it as best as he can (and he is definitely smarter than we are, with thousands of years experience and knowledge gathering behind him). He read and understood God's prophecies. Then, he copied them. If there's one thing that's prevalent in the Bible, it's that Satan ALWAYS wants to be God, and therefore he keeps trying to copy God, because he knows that God's way is always the smartest way. BUT, he always changes something so that people are diverted from God.
You can see the fingerprints of Satan all over Islam, because it even teaches about Jesus as the greatest prophet of their religion. Yet, even so, Muhommad is preached as the one prophet to really learn from. Islam teaches that even Jesus will return at the end. Not to save, but rather to convert the world to Islam. Again, Satan copying God.
We see an antichrist in our Bible and a seven year period. The antichrist comes to power at the middle of this seven year period. He would come to power earlier, but he claims to be God at the mid-point. In Islamic prophecy, their 12th Emom will return and rule for seven years. Gee, what a coincidence. Again, Satan copying God.
Satan wants to trip up the entire world. This is why every religion on the planet has SOME teachings that are similar to Christianity in one way or another. But NONE of them (except Christianity) teach that their God, Jesus, came down to save them from sin. ALL of them require you to earn your salvation. This is the contingent difference between Christianity and everyone else. It's Satan's classic method of mixing a little or a lot of truth with lies.
It's like rat poison. Rat poison is 99.995% good, healthy rat food. .005% of it is poison. That .005% is all it takes to kill the rat. That .005% for the world religions is the removal of Christ's sacrifice and gift of salvation from the religion. Bait and switch, basically. Show some truth, give lies instead, and eventually damn the soul of the convert.
Your assumption of a Muslim antichrist is interesting, but not accurate. The antichrist won't be Muslim, actually. He will be an interfaithist that accepts all religion. We know this because Revelation talks about the combining of all religion into one. This man will simply have to fulfill their prophecies about a ruler who comes to power and believes in Islam and rules the world, more or less (of course, their prophecies are more complicated, but that's the gist of it).
So, in Matthew 24 we see the "great tribulation" (last 3 1/2 years) where Jesus tells the people in Judea, "When you see this antichrist walk into the temple and claim to be God, run for your life. Don't go get your coat in the house, don't take anything, just run." Now, Jesus is talking to the 144,000 Jews in Judea area, which is the West Bank. It just so happens that that area is being traded to the Palestinian right now. However, the 144,000 Jews there are hardliner orthodox Jews (I think that's the right term). They have said that they refuse to leave and the Muslims will have to come and live amongst them.
Israel is going to allow this pretty soon, and these people are going to live with each other for however many years till the antichrist shows up. In those preceding years, the people are going to fight and have problems...all kinds of things. The Muslims are taught horrible things about the Jews. Things like, "The Jews are one evolutionary step above monkeys" and "Jews have fangs and want to suck your blood and kill you." I kid you not. I have heard it from their own lips (lips of the people that converted to Christianity from Islam and were raised in places like Lebannon." Anyway, so when the antichrist shows up and claims to be God, the Muslims will think this is there Messiah...their 12th Emom returning. Their Bible tells them that when he returns, that prompts them to cleanse the world of the Infadels, starting with the Jews and Christians. So the 144,000 in the West Bank area are going to HAVE to run IMMEDIATELY for safety outside of the West Bank area or they will be killed by Muslims. And it would take something as simple as just going back to your house to grab food or a jacket to get yourself killed, just like Jesus says.
What looks like the ushering in of the 12th Emom right now is what's going to usher in the 6th trumpet war that kills 1/3rd of man. Then, there will be a peace agreement with Israel after such a horrible event happens. The Muslims like President Ahmedinajad will lay low for a few years, and then, when the antichrist shows up, he'll be right back on board with Muslim extremism.
Then armageddon will come at the end of the 7 years.
You must also consider that Gog (the ruler of the land of Magog) is not from the East. Gog is the antichrist according to Ezekiel. The land of Magog houses Mesheck, Tubal and (I forget the last city's name). Mesheck, if you translate it to Russian, is Moscovi. If you translate it to English, it's Moscow. According to the Bible, that army from the North that comes down to Israel for the battle of Armageddon is coming from Moscow, which is the land of Magog...which is where the Antichrist is from. But that supposedly. That could still be a misinterpretation of that prophecy. The land of Magog could mean more than just Moscow. I need to find out where Tubal is, along with that other city mentioned. That would give a better indication of where the antichrist will come from.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/20/2006 12:09:04 PM
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Cephyr 13 I commend thee, and I agree with you. I must up on my Bible Quoting. But the man, yes indeed with make one universal Religion. I think it is one Single Man. God Bless and I hope more and More people understand this.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/20/2006 5:26:57 PM
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Cephyr 13 I commend thee, and I agree with you. I must up on my Bible Quoting. But the man, yes indeed with make one universal Religion. I think it is one Single Man. God Bless and I hope more and More people understand this.
Hey, thanks. Revelation talks about the false prophet riding on the back of this one world government beast. Also Revelation says that the false prophet causes the world to worship the antichrist (the beast). I know I'm going to offend some people, so I apologize up front...but here goes. The false prophet will be the pope at the time the antichrist comes to power. Catholics actually should not be upset at this statement, but because they do not know their own Catholic prophecies, they get bent out of shape.
Look up St. Malachy on Wikipedia and you can read about the pope prophecies. This Catholic, St. Malachy, was a catholic prophet that declared an evil pope was coming, and that he would be the 111th pope. The story goes, though, that the original prophecy was given in the 1100's, but it was not known about or published until the 1500's, because it was kept under lock and key. When it was published, it was different, though. It said the 112th pope would be the evil pope. So, to this day, no one knows if it's the 111th or 112th pope that is to be the evil pope or (aka false prophet). We are currently on our 111th pope today.
I am not one to believe prophecies other than what is in the Bible. I am keeping an eye on this prophecy, though. I DO NOT use this prophecy as the reasoning for the view that the pope will be the false prophet. There is a prophecy that talks about the Holy Roman Empire, and describes it coming back again in the end. The Holy Roman Empire always consisted of a spiritual leader and a political leader. This was always the Pope and the current Casear in power. It lasted for approximately 1000 years the first time. The next time it will not last more than about 3 1/2 years according to the Bible, unless it comes to power before the great tribulation, but who knows? I would suspect it starts the 3 1/2 years with its developement at the abomination of desolation. I can't say for sure, though. We'll see when we get there, I guess. :)
- Brian
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/21/2006 10:38:41 PM
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Daniel Chapter 11:38
He speaks about a Middle Eastern god, ASIDE FROM ELOHIM AND YAHWEH, remember this was BEFORE ISLAM, and this was BEFORE Mohammad or Allah ever existed. Chapter 9:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom HIS FATHERS KNEW NOT SHALL HE SHALL HE HONOUR
(Ok folks, what does this tell you about this Middle Eastern God? How could this Man whom Daniel speaks about Honor this god which his fathers did not know? Did the Early Arabs Know Mohammad or Allah? Nope. Was Ismael a Muslim? Nope. So what Kind of God came after the early Middle Eastern Countries within the Arab Nations? You got it folks! Islam) with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Now continue to Verse 39 of Chapter 9
Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Does this sound Familiar, is Israel Not Divided? Who is this strange god that he acknowledges and increase with glory? Why is Allah Consider the MOST merciful, if he is supposed to be the One true God. Why would he have an adjective describing him being 1st of Many, if he's the Only One? Why Not Allah the Merciful, or Allah the Great, but no, Allah the GREATEST. What has Islam gained since it's time, most of the Middle East, Rapid conversions in the Eastern Parts of Asia, the Pacific Islands, Europe, Many withing the Black Community. See where I'm headed.
This Man that gives glory to his God, the MAHDI, or the Muslim Messiah. Also in the Bible called the Man of Perdition, THE ANTI-CHRIST. Because this man, who will lead Islam to Conquer Jerusalem, has denied YESHUA(JESUS), and blasphemed against God, saying his Torah and New Testament are Corrupt, and has waged war against God's Saints and Israel.
This Mahdi or Islamic Messiah sounds like the Anti-Christ LOOk
A Summary Of Comparisons Between The Islamic And Biblical Narrative Of The End-Times
So in summary we conclude this section with a final review of the many startling similarities that exist between the biblical narrative of the last-days and the Islamic narrative of the same period.
· Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.
· Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.
[Edited by moderator - copyright violation. Please see link for the rest of the list of comparisons.]
Courtesy of http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch18_a_summary_of_comparisons.htm
I tend to lean toward this in my belief of where the Antichrist will rise and be from.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/21/2006 10:53:03 PM
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Cephyr 13 I commend thee, and I agree with you. I must up on my Bible Quoting. But the man, yes indeed with make one universal Religion. I think it is one Single Man. God Bless and I hope more and More people understand this.
Hey, thanks. Revelation talks about the false prophet riding on the back of this one world government beast. Also Revelation says that the false prophet causes the world to worship the antichrist (the beast). I know I'm going to offend some people, so I apologize up front...but here goes. The false prophet will be the pope at the time the antichrist comes to power. Catholics actually should not be upset at this statement, but because they do not know their own Catholic prophecies, they get bent out of shape.
Look up St. Malachy on Wikipedia and you can read about the pope prophecies. This Catholic, St. Malachy, was a catholic prophet that declared an evil pope was coming, and that he would be the 111th pope. The story goes, though, that the original prophecy was given in the 1100's, but it was not known about or published until the 1500's, because it was kept under lock and key. When it was published, it was different, though. It said the 112th pope would be the evil pope. So, to this day, no one knows if it's the 111th or 112th pope that is to be the evil pope or (aka false prophet). We are currently on our 111th pope today.
I am not one to believe prophecies other than what is in the Bible. I am keeping an eye on this prophecy, though. I DO NOT use this prophecy as the reasoning for the view that the pope will be the false prophet. There is a prophecy that talks about the Holy Roman Empire, and describes it coming back again in the end. The Holy Roman Empire always consisted of a spiritual leader and a political leader. This was always the Pope and the current Casear in power. It lasted for approximately 1000 years the first time. The next time it will not last more than about 3 1/2 years according to the Bible, unless it comes to power before the great tribulation, but who knows? I would suspect it starts the 3 1/2 years with its developement at the abomination of desolation. I can't say for sure, though. We'll see when we get there, I guess. :)
- Brian
I tend to lean towards this also it could be Ben----- or the jewish cardnal which would be my guess to be the next pope.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 2:55:38 AM
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@ Cephyr13 I glad we agree, cause many tend not to notice, rather they go with the flow with the majority of what goes on TV. There are a few Christians, or my a associate of mine whom I call :H: are known as the followers of the Way, which Seems like a great title. That's why my name is unorthodox, because as the majority of the church leans to think that the antichrist is the from Rome, I tend to believe against it.
@Judah, I'm glad you see this, and I hope more and more brothers and sisters are able to understand as well.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 2:10:46 PM
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I believe I may know the identity of the AC and he is from the revived Roman Empire (the EU).
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 2:23:27 PM
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Let me make a guess, is it EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana?
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 3:22:52 PM
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That's where I would hedge my bets (if I were betting). Everything I've read about the man makes him prime suspect #1.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 3:36:52 PM
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Well I would agree that Javier Solana would be one to watch but my bet is still on the AC coming out of the old USSR and primarily from Russia itself. Guess we just need to wait and watch, he will appear.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 3:49:37 PM
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Well I would agree that Javier Solana would be one to watch but my bet is still on the AC coming out of the old USSR and primarily from Russia itself. Guess we just need to wait and watch, he will appear.
Bob
Here's something of interest... even more prophecy
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His number is six hundred threescore and six (666 - Revelation 13:18)
In 1999, Javier Solana was appointed the High Representative for Europe's Common, Foreign and Security Policy. His position is linked in two places with the number 666 in official EU documents.
The first document issued in 1998 by the European commission was called Article 666, and which called for the immediate election of a High Representative for the EU Common Foreign and Security Policy who would have a "strong political profile", and be backed by "credible operational capabilities".
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: "666. In December the Vienna European Council expressed the opinion that the Secretary-General of the Council and High Representative for the CFSP should be appointed as soon as possible and be a personality with a strong political profile. It invited the Council to prepare common strategies on Russia, Ukraine, the Mediterranean region and the western Balkans, on the understanding that the first would be on Russia. Welcoming the new impetus given to the debate on a common European policy on security and defence, the European Council also noted that the CFSP should be backed by credible operational capabilities
The second document, called "Recommendation 666", which was drafted by Javier Solana himself in 2000, called for special powers to be given to the High Representative, enabling him to take control of European political and military councils in the event of an emergency.
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: "12) Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC (Political and Security Committee) and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency;
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 3:58:09 PM
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Refering to this?
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His arm shall be withered and he shall be blind in his right eye (Zechariah 11:15-17)
Yes that is interesting!!
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 4:10:58 PM
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Refering to this?
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His arm shall be withered and he shall be blind in his right eye (Zechariah 11:15-17)
Yes that is interesting!!
Bob
Not sure what you're asking (or implying here) Bob.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/22/2006 4:15:27 PM
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I thought that you were pointing me to Zec 11, as a description of he AC.
Zec 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
If Zec 11:16 is talking of the AC, then I find the verses below interesting.
Dan 7:8 "As I was contemplating the horns, another horn — a small one — came up between them, and three of the former horns were torn out by the roots to make room for it.22 This horn had eyes resembling human eyes and a mouth speaking arrogant23 things.
Zec 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/23/2006 9:47:30 AM
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SonClad,
Thanks for posting the stuff about Javier Salana. I've been looking for that information. I've been hedging my bet on either Javier Salana or Mikhail Gorbachev. Javier Salana has fulfilled the 666 prophecy in a manner of speaking, and he is in the correct position for obtaining ultimate power worldwide. The UN Secretary General is just a pawn of the EU, for the most part. The US will eventually split from the EU according to prophecy. And wouldn't you know it, the UN reported a year or so ago that they were looking at moving to Jerusalem because it's an International City established by the UN. They claimed they were looking at buying property on the "Hill of Evil Council." Now how weird is THAT? lol Pretty funny. They're not hiding anything are they? lol
The reason I say Gorbachev is because he fulfilled a few antichrist prophecies himself. The Bible says he'll have teeth of iron in one prophecy. Also, the Bible says he'll have horns like a lamb, but speak like a dragon. So, that means he'll "look" like a lamb, but speak like a dragon. And the dragon always symbolizes Satan. Gorbachev was on the cover of Time Magazine back in 1990 I believe, and the headline said, "He's got a nice smile, but he has teeth of Iron." Ever since then, he has been known as "the man with iron teeth." He is the only leader in history to be known by this name.
Also, Gorbachev has written MANY books about world peace and how to achieve it. He is the leader in the world on world peace currently. He helped author the Earth Charter, which is what the UN adopted as their guidelines for how the UN will approach peace and global spirituality. Yeah, pretty weird. Gorbachev brought down the Berlin wall and was given the Nobel Peace Prize that year. Go to his website and read his plans for uniting and controlling the world. It is VERY disturbing, and the UN is eating it up. They love him. Here's his website:
www.gci.ch
Now, mind you, I looked up all of the internet extentions like .com, .org, .net, .us, .ca, .uk...No where did I find .ch. I thought it might be China. I was wrong. If .ch stand for church, that's just going to be weird! But I don't know about this one yet.
Anyway, it's called Green Cross International (GCI). Notice the mixture of the cross and "green" for the environment. Nature and God mixed. They even have an ark of the covenant that they've constructed, but I don't remember what they call it. Yeah...I'm not kidding. Pretty strange. They even have a 10 commandments of the new world order, I think it's called. You can see them when you cross over the boarder of Georgia from Alabama I think? I forget. But they're on these HUGE stones beside the highway. Yep...they're totally copying God.
Gorbachev is, as I said, the leader in the peace advocates of the world, and seems to have the most elaborate plans (notice how they want to control the water all over the world...THAT is power). The Bible says the antichrist will come to power on a platform of peace. Gorbachev's pulling this one off pretty well so far. It would be interesting is Gorbachev is a puppet for Salana, or Salana is a puppet for Gorbachev. I'll be very interested to see how this plays out, because it seems that at the time of the seven year covenant with Israel, it won't be clear who confirmed it and therefore no one will know for sure who the antichrist is till 3 1/2 years later. I wonder if this is what throws everyone off?
Did you hear? Israel has been in secret peace talks with Syria and Saudi Arabia, and the world just found out about it 2 days ago. That's big! They went about it on their own, and didn't involve the Quartet (the UN, EU, US & Germany). The Quartet is the entity put together to achieve peace in the Middle East. This is getting very close to a peace resolution very soon. When Israel takes it upon herself to have secret peace talks, you know something big is going down. They've NEVER done this in history thus far. Should get very interesting very soon. Keep an eye on the news.
Oh, and the United Religions has the same ideology as Green Cross International. They have close ties and most likely Gorbachev and Maurice Strong had a major role in the forming of the United Religions which is not a sister organization to the UN.
- Brian
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/23/2006 10:42:02 AM
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That's where I would hedge my bets (if I were betting). Everything I've read about the man makes him prime suspect #1.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Does this guy you bet is the antichrist line up with what John describes antichrist to be?
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/23/2006 11:27:45 AM
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That's where I would hedge my bets (if I were betting). Everything I've read about the man makes him prime suspect #1.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Does this guy you bet is the antichrist line up with what John describes antichrist to be?
That's a bit vague. There are something like 100 prophecies about the antichrist and you pick this vague one? That's a little bit narrow on the view. No offense, but I would think the more specific prophecies would be the indicative ones to use.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/23/2006 12:16:24 PM
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1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Does this guy you bet is the antichrist line up with what John describes antichrist to be?
That's a bit vague. There are something like 100 prophecies about the antichrist and you pick this vague one? That's a little bit narrow on the view. No offense, but I would think the more specific prophecies would be the indicative ones to use.
"Antichristos" is only found 4 times in the Bible. Here they are:
1 John2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the [spirit] of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Are you saying the traits described here by John do not count as descriptions of 'the antichrist' some of you say will be coming out of the EU?
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/27/2006 3:49:58 PM
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That's where I would hedge my bets (if I were betting). Everything I've read about the man makes him prime suspect #1.
joefen: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Does this guy you bet is the antichrist line up with what John describes antichrist to be?
I don't know about the vague reference to the AC that you provided, but yes, I believe Solana matches up with other prophecies written about the AC/Son of Perdition - see evenmore link for details.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 12/29/2006 12:07:01 PM
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SonClad
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Thanks for the info Grateful - Read Ez 38 & 39 and you'll see how Iran fits into the puzzle. Their nuclear capability and anti-semitism will bring about this attack on Israel with the help of Russia and other Muslim nations in the area.
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 1/6/2007 9:05:34 PM
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thanks Sonclad for the scriptures
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RE: The Anti-Christ is From The Middle East - 1/7/2007 2:53:05 PM
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All I'll say about it is it's getting close friends.
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