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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/16/2007 9:44:25 PM
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Well no, you disagree. Matt 5 has nothing to do with sexual assualt. The fact remains that Bible allows one to defend themself from assualt.
How is the unborn child assualting anyone???
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No, you clearly state what you think the Bible states.
The point is that murder, the most horific thing despised by God which should not go unpunished, etc., etc, is really considered no worse than lying by God.
Eternally yes, but not temporally... The just temporal punishment for murder is death, not for telling a lie...
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Actually that's not so... There are greater sins... Christ told Pilate that those who betrayed Him had a GREATER sin... Read John 19
Proverbs 6 states something entirely different. So I guess the Bible is inconsistant and therefore untrustworthy. What would be your next point?
What is inconsistant is your understanding.... Jesus said that those who turned Him over to Pilate had a greater sin... Whatever is you gleem from Proverbs 6 is for you to deal with it...
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The bible says the just punishment for murder is death... No contradiction, and that hasn't been revoked...
Wow, you just contradicted yourself. According the Matt 5, of which you directed to me earlier, that is not the case.
Matthew 5 isn't speaking to the duty of the civil government, but that of Christians and how we are not to seek personal revenge or taking the law into your own hands...
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If God makes lying and murder an equal abomination, and he does this at the very least, then these sins are not worse or better than the other. We don't put liers to death.
You need to learn the difference between temporal consequences and eternal consequences...
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I need I need. Spend some time in reflection.
I have, and that's where I learned the differance between what
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Christ said in the NT that even though the OT requires an eye for an eye, turn your other cheek.
Christ is speaking of duties of the indivdual not those God ordained to deal with those who do evil, that being the civil government... See Romans 13... Christ never, nor does the bible revoke the punishment for murder that being death by the proper authorities...
Again, you contradict yourself after throwing Matt 5 in my face. Where do we go from here?
No contradiction, I understand that Christ is speaking of duties of the indivdual in Matthew 5 not those God ordained to deal with those who do evil, that being the civil government...
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Yes He did.... Christ said if you hate your brother you have broken the 6th Commandment, He liken hate to murder...
I haven't seen anyone change positions so quickly. I'm wondering if you aren't a pol.
What has changed? What Christ is speaking of in Matthew 5 has nothing to do with the duties of the civil government...
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It's not a GUESS to believe that those killed by abortion don't believe it's over emphisied... 48,000,000 and counting is REAL... So are the 3000 killed today...
Did you speak with any of them?
Don't have to... I have never spoken to any victim of mass murder yet I believe they take issue with it...
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You have to put your Christian Charity in a position to offer these people alternatives.
I have.. So there...
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Condeming in the fashion that I've seen is no different than the folks that presented Christ with the adulterer stating that she should be stoned.
Actually the woman wasn't brought to Jesus for judgment, but as a means to accuse Christ of something... You should find that in the first few verses of John 8 I believe...
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We know of course that Christ picked up a stone and joined with the others to kill this woman (not). Instead, he made a simple comment, "He who is without sin cast the first stone."
He also told the woman to go and sin no more...
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I don't see a huge difference between the those who are looking to "stone" the abortionists and those seeking abortions and those who looked to stone the woman. If you want a positive outcome, you have to create it.
Actually I don't... Doing what is right in the sight of God is really all a person should need and there are options and I have personally given to various groups...
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Now, do you have to pay? Yes. You as a Chrstian are required to give the coat off of your back, to feed the hungery, etc. That shouldn't even be a question a Chrsitian should have to ask.
Charity isn't paying someone off so they don't sin... That's absurd...
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Sorry, not everyone who has an abortion is without options... Half of all abortion are repeats...
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So what?
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So what? Abortion isn't simply about not having options, it is one of the options...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/16/2007 10:02:32 PM
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Well no, you disagree. Matt 5 has nothing to do with sexual assualt. The fact remains that Bible allows one to defend themself from assualt.
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How is the unborn child assualting anyone???
It didn't get there by majic....or are you confused about these things?
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No, you clearly state what you think the Bible states.
The point is that murder, the most horific thing despised by God which should not go unpunished, etc., etc, is really considered no worse than lying by God.
Eternally yes, but not temporally... The just temporal punishment for murder is death, not for telling a lie...
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Actually that's not so... There are greater sins... Christ told Pilate that those who betrayed Him had a GREATER sin... Read John 19
Proverbs 6 states something entirely different. So I guess the Bible is inconsistant and therefore untrustworthy. What would be your next point?
What is inconsistant is your understanding.... Jesus said that those who turned Him over to Pilate had a greater sin... Whatever is you gleem from Proverbs 6 is for you to deal with it...
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The bible says the just punishment for murder is death... No contradiction, and that hasn't been revoked...
Wow, you just contradicted yourself. According the Matt 5, of which you directed to me earlier, that is not the case.
Matthew 5 isn't speaking to the duty of the civil government, but that of Christians and how we are not to seek personal revenge or taking the law into your own hands...
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If God makes lying and murder an equal abomination, and he does this at the very least, then these sins are not worse or better than the other. We don't put liers to death.
You need to learn the difference between temporal consequences and eternal consequences...
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I need I need. Spend some time in reflection.
I have, and that's where I learned the differance between what
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Christ said in the NT that even though the OT requires an eye for an eye, turn your other cheek.
Christ is speaking of duties of the indivdual not those God ordained to deal with those who do evil, that being the civil government... See Romans 13... Christ never, nor does the bible revoke the punishment for murder that being death by the proper authorities...
Again, you contradict yourself after throwing Matt 5 in my face. Where do we go from here?
No contradiction, I understand that Christ is speaking of duties of the indivdual in Matthew 5 not those God ordained to deal with those who do evil, that being the civil government...
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Yes He did.... Christ said if you hate your brother you have broken the 6th Commandment, He liken hate to murder...
I haven't seen anyone change positions so quickly. I'm wondering if you aren't a pol.
What has changed? What Christ is speaking of in Matthew 5 has nothing to do with the duties of the civil government...
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It's not a GUESS to believe that those killed by abortion don't believe it's over emphisied... 48,000,000 and counting is REAL... So are the 3000 killed today...
Did you speak with any of them?
Don't have to... I have never spoken to any victim of mass murder yet I believe they take issue with it...
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You have to put your Christian Charity in a position to offer these people alternatives.
I have.. So there...
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Condeming in the fashion that I've seen is no different than the folks that presented Christ with the adulterer stating that she should be stoned.
Actually the woman wasn't brought to Jesus for judgment, but as a means to accuse Christ of something... You should find that in the first few verses of John 8 I believe...
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We know of course that Christ picked up a stone and joined with the others to kill this woman (not). Instead, he made a simple comment, "He who is without sin cast the first stone."
He also told the woman to go and sin no more...
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I don't see a huge difference between the those who are looking to "stone" the abortionists and those seeking abortions and those who looked to stone the woman. If you want a positive outcome, you have to create it.
Actually I don't... Doing what is right in the sight of God is really all a person should need and there are options and I have personally given to various groups...
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Now, do you have to pay? Yes. You as a Chrstian are required to give the coat off of your back, to feed the hungery, etc. That shouldn't even be a question a Chrsitian should have to ask.
Charity isn't paying someone off so they don't sin... That's absurd...
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Sorry, not everyone who has an abortion is without options... Half of all abortion are repeats...
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So what?
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So what? Abortion isn't simply about not having options, it is one of the options...
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Well, this is going no where for now.
Cheers John,
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/16/2007 11:48:30 PM
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It boggles my mind that there is actually the existance of someone who says they are Christian, but supports abortion. Unbelieveable.
Jesus wasn't kidding when he said that "the love of MOST, will grow cold"
Mat 24: 10-12
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Hmmm...sounds like some of the opinions in this thread...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 4:11:23 PM
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It boggles my mind that there is actually the existance of someone who says they are Christian, but supports abortion. Unbelieveable.
Jesus wasn't kidding when he said that "the love of MOST, will grow cold"
Mat 24: 10-12
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Hmmm...sounds like some of the opinions in this thread...
What amazes me is how easily folks follow anything that might sound like truth or so easily criticize something they really dont understand.
First I am anti-abortion. I've said that several times. However, I've found little reason to be so from the Bible. In every instance and objection raised on this thread concerning a Biblical position concnering abortion has been answered as far as I can tell.
Robert, do you care to try?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 4:54:50 PM
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The basic theme of God's word would tell you that its wrong.
This isn't a case of needing specific scripture.
Here is one anyway.
Luke 1:44
As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
If I was to pray about this to God, and ask if abortion used for birth control was ok in God's eyes, the Holy Spirit in me would slap me silly with conviction.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:04:35 PM
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The basic theme of God's word would tell you that its wrong.
This isn't a case of needing specific scripture.
Here is one anyway.
Luke 1:44
As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
If I was to pray about this to God, and ask if abortion used for birth control was ok in God's eyes, the Holy Spirit in me would slap me silly with conviction.
Robert, what basic theme? Any theme which comes from scripture must have some basis in the writing. The Trinity is never mentioned in scripture, but I can certainly point out scripture from which the teaching is arrived.
I think over time that we have read back into scripture things we wish to be. One of them is the precisousness of life. Though I think life has great value, Im not sure it is exactly what pro-life folks refer to as precious. Just look back through history before the Romantic period or thought started to influence how we perceive things. Even the Old and New Testament life was pretty cheap. Do you see what I mean?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:13:13 PM
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I think over time that we have read back into scripture things we wish to be.
Those are the exact words I hear from unbelievers. Be careful where you tread.
Fact is...those with the Holy Spirit in them know how to interpret the basic principals of the bible.
Ie..needing Jesus and Jesus only for salvation, there really is a heaven and hell, homosexuality is wrong, abortion is wrong...you know, the basic stuff...and yes, Abortion is just basic common sense when it comes to interpreting the bible.
Now, when it comes to interpreting parts of Revelation, and more indepth things that don't have a direct consequence on our salvation, then YES...interpretations can vary, and to a degree, its still a safe situation.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:22:23 PM
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I think over time that we have read back into scripture things we wish to be.
Those are the exact words I hear from unbelievers. Be careful where you tread.
Fact is...those with the Holy Spirit in them know how to interpret the basic principals of the bible.
Ie..needing Jesus and Jesus only for salvation, there really is a heaven and hell, homosexuality is wrong, abortion is wrong...you know, the basic stuff...and yes, Abortion is just basic common sense when it comes to interpreting the bible.
Now, when it comes to interpreting parts of Revelation, and more indepth things that don't have a direct consequence on our salvation, then YES...interpretations can vary, and to a degree, its still a safe situation.
OK, so now I've been equated to an unbeliever. Robert, my salvation is sound with God. I know exactly where I stand with him, so I would really like to keep the discussion aimed at idea here, not me.
If there are specific themes of which you speak, I would really like to hear about them from the Bible. You know sometimes Josephs is refered to as an Arch-Christ, in that he provided salvation to his people as Christ would for His people. That is a recurring theme throughout the Bible.
Please, I would like to hear where this theme of concernign the preciousness of life is arrived.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:27:44 PM
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It boggles my mind that there is actually the existance of someone who says they are Christian, but supports abortion. Unbelieveable.
Jesus wasn't kidding when he said that "the love of MOST, will grow cold"
Mat 24: 10-12
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Hmmm...sounds like some of the opinions in this thread...
What amazes me is how easily folks follow anything that might sound like truth or so easily criticize something they really dont understand.
First I am anti-abortion. I've said that several times. However, I've found little reason to be so from the Bible. In every instance and objection raised on this thread concerning a Biblical position concnering abortion has been answered as far as I can tell.
Robert, do you care to try?
KF
What is the basis for your anti-abortion stance? If abortion isn't wrong according to the bible why are you against it? If bible doesn't put much value on life why do you?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:34:41 PM
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You know sometimes Josephs is refered to as an Arch-Christ, in that he provided salvation to his people as Christ would for His people. That is a recurring theme throughout the Bible.
What on earth are you talking about?
No one can provide salvation except God alone. Where do you get this stuff?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:39:43 PM
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Please, I would like to hear where this theme of concernign the preciousness of life is arrived.
KF
Its as simple as someone who does abortions or a mother who allows one is someone who thinks they can play the role of GOD.
Murder is dictating the end of someones life...and God has said it is wrong starting with his 10 commandments.
"You shall not murder"
How hard is this to understand?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:47:35 PM
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Please, I would like to hear where this theme of concernign the preciousness of life is arrived.
KF
Its as simple as someone who does abortions or a mother who allows one is someone who thinks they can play the role of GOD.
Murder is dictating the end of someones life...and God has said it is wrong starting with his 10 commandments.
"You shall not murder"
How hard is this to understand?
I wonder if the primise is wrong. Simple is not the word I would use when it comes to murder. First killing is done all the time. The question become, "When is is allowed and when is it not allowed." I agree that muder is prohibitted by the Ten Comandments, but when, "Thou shalt not murder" is applied to abortion, the assumption is made that all abortions are murder. Im pretty sure I've demonstrated earlier that not all abortions are murder.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 5:58:25 PM
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Please, I would like to hear where this theme of concernign the preciousness of life is arrived.
KF
Its as simple as someone who does abortions or a mother who allows one is someone who thinks they can play the role of GOD.
Murder is dictating the end of someones life...and God has said it is wrong starting with his 10 commandments.
"You shall not murder"
How hard is this to understand?
I wonder if the primise is wrong. Simple is not the word I would use when it comes to murder. First killing is done all the time. The question become, "When is is allowed and when is it not allowed." I agree that muder is prohibitted by the Ten Comandments, but when, "Thou shalt not murder" is applied to abortion, the assumption is made that all abortions are murder. Im pretty sure I've demonstrated earlier that not all abortions are murder.
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 6:05:22 PM
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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And to add to that, its no different when an abortion is taken place to save the MOM.
Having an abortion for the selfish purpose of birth control is murder, and to argue it is pointless.
God knows what is in your heart, and if you have an abortion, other then to save MOM, then its murder in his eyes.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 6:12:57 PM
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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And to add to that, its no different when an abortion is taken place to save the MOM.
Having an abortion for the selfish purpose of birth control is murder, and to argue it is pointless.
God knows what is in your heart, and if you have an abortion, other then to save MOM, then its murder in his eyes.
Who is arguing that? However, what I am arguing is whether the orginal position concerning life being precious comes from the Bible. So far I haven't heard from you on this point. I think this is rather frustrating for you at this point, if you wish, we can end this discussion?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/17/2007 10:22:19 PM
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You know sometimes Josephs is refered to as an Arch-Christ, in that he provided salvation to his people as Christ would for His people. That is a recurring theme throughout the Bible.
What on earth are you talking about?
No one can provide salvation except God alone. Where do you get this stuff?
When figures are referred to as arch-Christ (or type of Christ) it just means that they are a person who prefigured an aspect, or aspects, of Christ; a type was a hint things to come. Kind of like Old Testaments sacrifices were a pre-curser to Jesus' sacrifice for us. I do not think KF was in any way trying to claim spiritual salvation could come from anyone other than Christ.
KF, as far as finding any specific injuction against abortion in Scriptures, we know we won't find it. However, I think many of us do find many passages that lead us to this conclusion regardless. I know you have already heard them all, but we may always disagree on the extrapolated meaning.
I do agree with you on this point - even though I am adamantly anti-abortion, I do not hold that every woman who has one is a "murderer". I think they are often scared, ignorant or even coerced. That does not mean than they are not responsible for their actions, but that one could see it as the difference b/t manslaughter and murder for instance. However, I cannot so easily excuse medical professionals who participate in abortions (especially in the case of no health risk).
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 7:06:38 AM
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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And to add to that, its no different when an abortion is taken place to save the MOM.
Having an abortion for the selfish purpose of birth control is murder, and to argue it is pointless.
God knows what is in your heart, and if you have an abortion, other then to save MOM, then its murder in his eyes.
Who is arguing that? However, what I am arguing is whether the orginal position concerning life being precious comes from the Bible. So far I haven't heard from you on this point. I think this is rather frustrating for you at this point, if you wish, we can end this discussion?
KF
Taking life unjustly is wrong enough in God eyes they the just punishment for it is death... It may not speak directly to idea that life is precious, but it's rather clear that God takes great issue with those who take life without just cause...
Btw.... How can you be anti-abortion when you believe a woman is defending herself from being sexually assualted by having an abortion?
How is KILLING the child defending against the sexual assualt?
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Me: A person's right to defend themselves has what to do with abortion?
KF: Sure. If someone is sexually assualted abortion is defending yourself from that person and what they did to you.
Me: By killing someone else?
KF: Yes, it is called "self defense" and allowed by the Bible.
Btw... self-defense has to be done to stop what is being done, in this case the rape itself, not the aftermath... It's not self-defense to deal with things after the fact, that's called vengence and it's a sin... For a woman to MURDER the child because she was raped is personal vengenace on a innocent party... Further, even if she sought to kill the man who raped her after the fact it would be murder. If she killed him to stop him from raping her that is self-defense...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 2:48:48 PM
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Btw... self-defense has to be done to stop what is being done, in this case the rape itself, not the aftermath... It's not self-defense to deal with things after the fact, that's called vengence and it's a sin... For a woman to MURDER the child because she was raped is personal vengenace on a innocent party... Further, even if she sought to kill the man who raped her after the fact it would be murder. If she killed him to stop him from raping her that is self-defense...
I see your point, but do not agree completely. I agree that killing a rapist after the fact could be described as vengeance, however I don't see aborting the child resulting as vengeance (nor as self-defense). Rather, it seems an attempt to escape the painful consequences of a horrible experience. Unfortunately, aborting the child does not result in an escape from the emotional turmoil, but rather adds to it in most cases.
Of course we know that the number of abortions that occur as a result of rape or incest are very, very few.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 4:55:45 PM
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Of course we know that the number of abortions that occur as a result of rape or incest are very, very few.
Indeed. And as a pragmatic choice I would like to see the Pro-Life movement not address such sticking points at this time. Let's take care of the bigger problem of abortion on demand as a birth control. And we have to start by changing the public's mind on this which is hindered by focusing on rape/incest and when the mother's life is in danger.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 5:31:46 PM
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I see your point, but do not agree completely. I agree that killing a rapist after the fact could be described as vengeance, however I don't see aborting the child resulting as vengeance (nor as self-defense). Rather, it seems an attempt to escape the painful consequences of a horrible experience. Unfortunately, aborting the child does not result in an escape from the emotional turmoil, but rather adds to it in most cases.
Christ said talking the law into our own hands is vengence... I can understand it would be done to escape the painful consequences of a horrible experience(so would killing the rapist after the fact to some degree), yet that doesn't change the fact that the woman has no right to do so, and that it ends up being an act of vengence on the child, who is innocent of any crime worthy of death. Even a child that is a product of rape is a gift of God...
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Of course we know that the number of abortions that occur as a result of rape or incest are very, very few.
True, yet one can't honestly claim to be anti-abortion and say a woman has the right to judge and take the life of child because they were raped... That is classic, "eye for an eye" and in that case the person who didn't commit the offense is being punished, so it's actually worse...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 5:34:16 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Of course we know that the number of abortions that occur as a result of rape or incest are very, very few.
Indeed. And as a pragmatic choice I would like to see the Pro-Life movement not address such sticking points at this time. Let's take care of the bigger problem of abortion on demand as a birth control. And we have to start by changing the public's mind on this which is hindered by focusing on rape/incest and when the mother's life is in danger.
Dealing with the most common reason for abortion should be the man focus, yet there is something to be said for being consistent...
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 6:24:44 PM
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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I've seen you argue in favor of capital punishment on biblical grounds as well.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 6:32:56 PM
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To be fair there is a difference between the state taking a life and a Christian taking a life. I would assume that he also sees killing in warfare as justified, but he may call that self-defense.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 9:32:03 PM
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