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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 9:45:13 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Self-defense is the only biblical grounds for a Christian to take life... Defending oneself against someone who intends to harm you is just...
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I've seen you argue in favor of capital punishment on biblical grounds as well.
Yes... I didn't believe I had to mention God ordained the civil government to justly deal with those who do evil, even to the point of putting some death when I made my statement....
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 2/18/2007 9:46:19 PM
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one can't honestly claim to be anti-abortion and say a woman has the right to judge and take the life of child because they were raped...
I assume you are not referring to me b/c I've never made such a statement.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/30/2007 9:35:44 AM
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Although I recognize that as a male I really cannot understand what goes on for a woman that has been victimized, there are some things I can know. I know, personally, that Gods love is boundless, limitless, cannot be measured. I know that He knows the plans He has for me. I know that whatever satan means for evil, God can affect for good. Always and Forever...!!!!!!! No, a believer in this King of kings and Lord of lords cannot tolerate compromise in any quarter! There is only surrender to Him, not surrender to the conflicts of life.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/30/2007 9:51:35 AM
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I know for a fact that you can be pro-choice and a Christian.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/30/2007 11:50:07 AM
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I know for a fact that you can be pro-choice and a Christian.
Do Christians prefer dismemberment, disembowlment, decapitation, salt poisoning or chemical execution?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/30/2007 12:55:43 PM
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I know for a fact that killing a human being because it is inconvenient is very, very wrong.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/30/2007 1:56:39 PM
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So far, I as a woman do NOT want women to go back to the days of alleys and coat hangers. Wanting it to remain safe and legal and respecting a womans right to choose does NOT, again I repeat, does NOT mean we advocate and support the act itself. You can agree to disagree at this point.
The old "coat hanger" defence.
The problem with it is that it carries implicit the notion that there would be thousands or even millions of these "back alley deaths" as it was falsly reported by the National Abortion Rights Action League. The founder (who is now pro-life) admitted to fabricating these numbers to get abortion legalized.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Vital Statistics, there were a mere 39 women who died from illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v. Wade.
Momfree I don't think you will get many people to agree using this sort of "crocodile tear" compasison. Especially when you use such innocuous terminology like "not pleasing" to describe a baby being ripped apart in the mother's womb.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/31/2007 12:58:09 PM
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i know that there are many who will argue a woman's right to choose because she was either raped or a victim of insest. While as a rape survivor, I can understand that in theory but as a dedicated Christian I also know that all life regardless of how it was conceived is a life that God created with a plan. No life is ever a mistake to God. He sometimes allows us the consequences of our choices and may create a child with a plan that someone else should raise it, but still who are we to take something from God that He created for a purpose.
The abortion industry is driven by money, not out of a need to provide women with a choice. The fetal tissue is sold to research and development companies so these doctors are making a fortune providing such services all in the name of choice.
I have seen Christians with compromising ideals support or agree with abortion but I wonder if face to face with God, if they would reconsider their viewpoint. Too many try to justify these deaths due to how a child was conceived, the age of the parents, timing, etc. But my thought is if God created a life, then He created it for a purpose. I remember reading how a woman was pregnant and diagnosed with cancer. She chose not to abort and delay cancer treatment. She died only a month after her child was born. She stated before her death that her faith in God and her determination to follow his decrees gave her no choice but to allow her child to live even if it cost her life. That was part of being a faithful Christian and a mother. Most of us moms would gladly give our lives for our children, what does age have to do with anything. Whether gestational age or chronilogical age.
Point blank: Having pro-choice or pro-abortion ideals doesn't align with Biblical teaching. IMO Christians should support pro-life legisaltion.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/31/2007 5:26:46 PM
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I think it's important for Christians to avoid judging each other in matters pertaining to Salvation. What we have to realize is that all believers are in different places regarding their journey in the search for Truth. We can't expect everybody to come to all the same conclusions immediately. I personally, as a Christian, cannot support abortion; this is in fact, my main disagreement with the majority of Libertarians. I cannot, however, call into question a person's Salvation because of their belief in abortion. We must allow people time to grow spiritually and mature, we must be careful not to stigmatize them because this, in the end, hinders the process of their salvation and that is a grave transgression indeed.
That being said, my answer to the question "is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion?" is yes, it is possible, just as it is possible for Christians to hold any incorrect belief.
Also, the inevitable question will arise "What about capital punishment?". I do believe that a government is within it's Biblical rights in administrating capital punishment. This is not a contradictory belief because capital punishment is a deterrent to people that would commit terrible crimes, it punishes evil. I do believe that capital punishment should be administered with wisdom and only in specific situations, but I do not believe it is wrong.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 10/31/2007 8:26:10 PM
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Doesn't this topic technically violate the TOS?
"Attacking the character or motives of someone who differs with your view or denying that he or she is a Christian is unacceptable."
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I'm new here, but I really cant stand the "tree-hugging liberal" or "money-grubbing right wing whacko" name calling that I've seen here so far. Exactly what is the purpose of these kinds of sweeping generalizations? If someone comes here and says "Yes, I am a tree-hugging liberal" then sure, you can define them as such, but I havent seen anyone here do that. And I think stereotypes dehumanize people and makes it easy to demonize people. And when it comes to searching for solutions OR trying to get a better understanding of the issues, stereotyping and generalizing are not very productive...
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I think it's important for Christians to avoid judging each other in matters pertaining to Salvation. What we have to realize is that all believers are in different places regarding their journey in the search for Truth........] .
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WHAT CONSTRUCTIVE PURPOSE DOES THIS THREAD SERVE IN A CHRISTIAN (OR ANY OTHER) FORUM ?????
IT CERTAINLY SENDS THE MESSAGE THAT LIBERALS ARE NOT WELCOME IN THIS FORUM (CURRENT EVENTS) !!!!!iew or denying that he or she is a Christian is unacceptable."
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 11/1/2007 10:03:15 AM
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I know for a fact that you can be pro-choice and a Christian.
Do Christians prefer dismemberment, disembowlment, decapitation, salt poisoning or chemical execution?
Maybe, I don't know every christian.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 11/1/2007 11:17:24 AM
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I know for a fact that you can be pro-choice and a Christian.
Sure you can. Being a Christian does not mean you will never sin nor be deceived.
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So far, I as a woman do NOT want women to go back to the days of alleys and coat hangers. Wanting it to remain safe and legal and respecting a womans right to choose does NOT, again I repeat, does NOT mean we advocate and support the act itself. You can agree to disagree at this point.
The old "coat hanger" defence.
The problem with it is that it carries implicit the notion that there would be thousands or even millions of these "back alley deaths" as it was falsly reported by the National Abortion Rights Action League. The founder (who is now pro-life) admitted to fabricating these numbers to get abortion legalized.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Vital Statistics, there were a mere 39 women who died from illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v. Wade.
Momfree I don't think you will get many people to agree using this sort of "crocodile tear" compasison. Especially when you use such innocuous terminology like "not pleasing" to describe a baby being ripped apart in the mother's womb.
I agree that this is a false and rather illogical argument. Why don't we make all drug use legal so people aren't forced to risk infections with dirty needles or getting an impure drug that may kill them? Wouldn't it be safer for drug abusers if we just made it legal so they could get their drugs from pharmaceutical companies instead of the street? If we could get insurance to cover crack, meth, heroin and whatever else there might be less crime too. No more armed robbery - get a month's worth of your drug of choice for a measly co-pay of $10. 
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 11/27/2007 9:40:46 PM
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I know some who are, in cases of rape or incest...but I can't agree with them.
Cases of rape or incest are often cited as a justification for abortion. I can't agree with that position either. A rape which results in pregnancy has two victims - the woman and the child. In our society, we don't condone punishing the victims of crime. To sentence one of the victims (the unborn child) to the death penalty would be a travesty of justice.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/5/2008 5:03:08 PM
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I don't know if this has been addressed. But what about birth control?
ALL oral contraceptives available in the U.S. work in two ways:
1) prevent the egg and sperm from joining
2) prevent the fertilized egg (i.e. baby if you beleive life begins at conception) from implanting in the uterus
how can you be truly pro-life and use the pill?? just something to ponder.........i guess it just depends your idea of when life begins
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/5/2008 5:30:08 PM
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I don't know if this has been addressed. But what about birth control?
ALL oral contraceptives available in the U.S. work in two ways:
1) prevent the egg and sperm from joining
2) prevent the fertilized egg (i.e. baby if you beleive life begins at conception) from implanting in the uterus
how can you be truly pro-life and use the pill?? just something to ponder.........i guess it just depends your idea of when life begins
Technically, the primary purpose of standard birth control pills is to prevent ovulation, which you haven't listed.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/5/2008 7:42:08 PM
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the point that i was trying to make is that the back-up method that the pill uses is to prevent the fertilized egg from implanting, it really doesn't matter what else it does to prevent pregnancy (in my opinion).
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/5/2008 7:47:15 PM
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I know some who are, in cases of rape or incest...but I can't agree with them.
I think it's possible to know the Lord and hold this view. It could be indicative of them not being of the Lord but not necessarily.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/7/2008 11:36:42 AM
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the point that i was trying to make is that the back-up method that the pill uses is to prevent the fertilized egg from implanting, it really doesn't matter what else it does to prevent pregnancy (in my opinion).
That's like saying that aspirin causes Reye's syndrome in children and intestinal bleeding, without mentioning that it's supposed to cure headaches.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/7/2008 5:56:25 PM
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the point that i was trying to make is that the back-up method that the pill uses is to prevent the fertilized egg from implanting, it really doesn't matter what else it does to prevent pregnancy (in my opinion).
That's like saying that aspirin causes Reye's syndrome in children and intestinal bleeding, without mentioning that it's supposed to cure headaches.
The purpose of the birth control pill is to prevent pregnancy. To do this it has different mechanisms of action, one of them being that of preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. If life begins at fertilization/conception, as I and many other Christian believe, then that means the birth control pill can cause abortions.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/7/2008 8:13:21 PM
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The purpose of the birth control pill is to prevent pregnancy. To do this it has different mechanisms of action, one of them being that of preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. If life begins at fertilization/conception, as I and many other Christian believe, then that means the birth control pill can cause abortions.
This isn't true in a molar pregnancy.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/8/2008 10:31:40 AM
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The purpose of the birth control pill is to prevent pregnancy. To do this it has different mechanisms of action, one of them being that of preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. If life begins at fertilization/conception, as I and many other Christian believe, then that means the birth control pill can cause abortions.
This isn't true in a molar pregnancy.
I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. What are you saying is not true in the case of a molar pregnancy and how is that relevant to the discussion at hand?
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/8/2008 4:31:57 PM
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I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. What are you saying is not true in the case of a molar pregnancy and how is that relevant to the discussion at hand?
When a sperm fertilizes an egg with a dead nucleus it can implant and grow in the womb. This isn't a living anything. Did I use the wrong term? It is relevant at hand when one says that life begins at conception. When sperm fertilize a dead egg there isn't a living anything.
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RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? - 1/8/2008 4:34:14 PM
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I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. What are you saying is not true in the case of a molar pregnancy and how is that relevant to the discussion at hand?
When a sperm fertilizes an egg with a dead nucleus it can implant and grow in the womb. This isn't a living anything. Did I use the wrong term? It is relevant at hand when one says that life begins at conception. When sperm fertilize a dead egg there isn't a living anything.
Someone want to explain to me how this is possible??? Dead things don't "grow"!!!!
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