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ljmac -> RE: is it possible for Christians to be pro-abortion? (2/22/2008 1:54:16 PM)
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ORIGINAL: hawkfan428
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The image that you depicted about pro-lifers regarding adoption, abortion-minded women, and single mothers was phony. It served your argument, but was entirely a misrepresentation.
You have obviously had different experencies than I have. Some (not all) pro-lifers I have encountered condemn single mothers for their "loose" morals (but by the same token, appreciated their decision to keep their child). A church that I used to attend would not employ single mothers for that reason. Single mothers could attend the church, but let me tell you, some of the gossipy women of that church would talk so much trash about these single mothers that it was disgusting. And guess what? No abortion-alternative ministry existed at this church! This church was not interested in one. They wanted us to vote Republican. That was their answer to that. What I posted was not some pre-conceived notion. I have seen this with my own eyes, and it disgusted both me and my wife.
While I have seen this with my own eyes, do understand that I'm not saying that all pro-lifers are like that.
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I purposely did not answer your question. I have no obligation to tell you about my charitable activities, but they are various and many.
I asked this because I was trying to gage if you fell into the category that I described above. I think even you would have to admit that it's easier for people to complain and whine about things than to do something about it. I know that there are pro-lifers who do work in these ministries, but others would rather vote Republican and call it good.
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Slavery and abortions are parallel each other in many ways. The exploitation of the weak by the powerful. A sick supreme court siding with exploitation. Republicans on the side of freedom, Democrats on the side of exploitation. Good people fighting the exploitation and the law. Some Christians tolerating or even participating in the exploitation.
Don't be fooled by the Republican party line that they want to truly overturn Roe vs. Wade. In the 2004 election, Bush got 10 million in campaign contributions by the Moral Majority by merely having to say that he opposes abortion. The Republican party is exploiting well-meaning Christians by making empty promises such as overturning Roe vs. Wade. All they care about is your vote. Same goes for Democrats - they want your vote.
Politics is a weird head-game for the voters. The politicians won't let Roe vs. Wade be overturned. The scandal a politician would have if he got his secretary pregnant would be career-ruining. Do you really think they want to eliminate the answer to their scandal troubles? Same goes for a politician whose single daughter gets pregnant. You had better believe that they would want to "take care of the problem".
I also had a friend of mine who's die-hard Republican, ultra-conservative, pro-life, etc. And guess what happened? On 3 separate occasions, he got 3 different girls pregnant. And he coughed up abortion money 3 times because he didn't want to deal with the "hassle" of child support.
Don't rely on politicians to fight a battle for you, that's my point. The line they tow is what big corporation campaign contributors want. That's just the reality of it.
Again, I respect your views on abortion. But trying to get Roe vs. Wade overturned is like spitting on a campfire in the hopes of putting it out. That's why I think churches and ministries need to step up to the plate (which a lot have done already). If we rely on politicians to do it for us, we are merely setting ourselves up.
This will be my last entry here on this thread. I think I have laid out my reasons for not relying on government to take care of this issue, and we will have to agree to disagree on things. Thank you for the spirited debate, and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. God Bless!
Hawk,
Overturning Death Roe is only a piece of the puzzle. Most people do not know that overturning DR would stop few abortions. Some states would continue to have open season on the unborn, abortion crazy places like NY and California. Some would put in modest restrictions on things like post-viability abortions. A few might try to ban abortions. In the end most abortions would continue to be committed.
But overturning Death Roe has other benefits. For one, it says something about who we are as a nation and as a people. Is this a nation that values innocent human life? Or is it a nation that loves abortion more than baby human beings? Right now, abortion is protected, unborn baby human beings are not.
Abortion needs to be fought on multiple fronts, not just in politics. That's why you'll find so many ministries aimed at adoption, crisis pregnancies and abortion minded women run by the same people who expect the legal protection of the unborn.
Voting Republican has never guaranteed that the entire pro-life wish list would be top priority. Republicans have produced many pro-life victories and saved many babies, but they are a big tent party that has many different views. The problem with the other party is that they are nothing if not pro-abortion. So we take our chances with Republicans because we have no chance with Democrats. There are children alive today who would be dead if Al Gore or John Kerry had been elected.
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