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A point I've made in the Iraq war thread, but which is relevant here as this thread is about critiques of Bush, is that the fallout of the war in Iraq has made Iran the strongest power in the region. If the Bush administration considered Iran an "axis of evil" state, then logic would have dictated that doing anything that would have turned Iran into a regional power would have been contrary to US national security interests.

I've argued that removing Saddam Hussein's Baath regime, which had long been a buffer against Shiite Iran (don't take my word for it - ask secular Sunni Arabs from Egypt or Jordan), catapulted Tehran into a position of power and influence. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent visit to Baghdad is perhaps the clearest example.

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Well something good about GWB. My pastor ask me to pray yesterday, get this homeland security, has a section for non-profit orgnization, do not understand it, and they are meeting to give our church 2,600 dollars, for our food pantry, which is half of our budget. So the poor will be helped, in our small town, instead of just five thousand, nearly eight. Praise God, and thank you GWB.

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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Well something good about GWB. My pastor ask me to pray yesterday, get this homeland security, has a section for non-profit orgnization, do not understand it, and they are meeting to give our church 2,600 dollars, for our food pantry, which is half of our budget. So the poor will be helped, in our small town, instead of just five thousand, nearly eight. Praise God, and thank you GWB.

That's cool. Part of the faith based initiative thing? I bag groceries from time to time for ours but I have no clue how it all works, lol.

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ORIGINAL: zooey4881

Maybe the Arabs raised oil prices because Bush said America needs to stop buying their oil.

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I have mentioned the BO saying about many paths to heaven, no one has commented. Wrong as it was for GWB to say what he said about God, but, you know he was under pressure to say this to be PC, not making it right, but BO just says it,because he believes it.

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ORIGINAL: wing2000

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I have mentioned the BO saying about many paths to heaven, no one has commented. Wrong as it was for GWB to say what he said about God, but, you know he was under pressure to say this to be PC, not making it right, but BO just says it,because he believes it.

I beg your pardon? ...under pressure to be PC?

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This past Thursday, Bush lied about Iran. Look at this piece in The Washington Post. Bush says that the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran "...declared they want to have a nuclear weapon to destroy people." This is NOT true. The Iranian government has never declared it intends to build nuclear weapons.

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From 2000-2006 loving Bush was the popular thing to do.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

But the problem is that George W. Bush's actions vis-a-vis foreign policy have caused far more harm than good. We are a few men away from 4000 dead US troops, dozens of thousands injured (many of whom will require intensive attention/care until they die, not to mention those who are paralyzed or vegetables). Let's not talk about the trillions this war will cost, the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and the 4 million Iraqi refugees. And then we have the terrorists who now see Iraq as a training ground (something which was not happening before Bush invaded), not to mention Iran being the victor in this whole thing.

Bush made terrible mistakes and there are way too many American and Iraqi lives which no longer exist thanks to him. Between the Lord and us? yes, that is true - and Bush will most certainly have to answer to God one day for his decision to invade Iraq (and its consequences).

But my dear sister Lightshineon, none of us here has been in a position to commit hundreds of thousands of troops, missiles, and airpower on a foreign state, and none of us has been in charge of the military occupation of a large, complex, and difficult-to-understand foreign country. As horrible as some of the sins we've committed are, I doubt that we've generated deaths on a scale as Bush's actions (and yes, he isn't alone; the neocons are to blame as well, but he was and IS commander-in-chief) have.

And I am a freethinker too - I did not follow the crowd who thought invading Iraq was right, who believed Saddam H. was involved w/ 9/11, etc., and I did not waver as I was accused of being a leftist, liberal, America-hating, Hussein-defending member of the rotten "ilk" (yes, "ILK" - some here have used this epithet to describe people who oppose the war).

God bless you on this wonderful Easter Sunday. I'm off to church.

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

And so we, as well Rich.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

But the problem is that George W. Bush's actions vis-a-vis foreign policy have caused far more harm than good. We are a few men away from 4000 dead US troops, dozens of thousands injured (many of whom will require intensive attention/care until they die, not to mention those who are paralyzed or vegetables). Let's not talk about the trillions this war will cost, the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and the 4 million Iraqi refugees. And then we have the terrorists who now see Iraq as a training ground (something which was not happening before Bush invaded), not to mention Iran being the victor in this whole thing.

Bush made terrible mistakes and there are way too many American and Iraqi lives which no longer exist thanks to him. Between the Lord and us? yes, that is true - and Bush will most certainly have to answer to God one day for his decision to invade Iraq (and its consequences).

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

But my dear sister Lightshineon, none of us here has been in a position to commit hundreds of thousands of troops, missiles, and airpower on a foreign state, and none of us has been in charge of the military occupation of a large, complex, and difficult-to-understand foreign country. As horrible as some of the sins we've committed are, I doubt that we've generated deaths on a scale as Bush's actions (and yes, he isn't alone; the neocons are to blame as well, but he was and IS commander-in-chief) have.

And I am a freethinker too - I did not follow the crowd who thought invading Iraq was right, who believed Saddam H. was involved w/ 9/11, etc., and I did not waver as I was accused of being a leftist, liberal, America-hating, Hussein-defending member of the rotten "ilk" (yes, "ILK" - some here have used this epithet to describe people who oppose the war).

God bless you on this wonderful Easter Sunday. I'm off to church.

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

And so we, as well Rich.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

But the problem is that George W. Bush's actions vis-a-vis foreign policy have caused far more harm than good. We are a few men away from 4000 dead US troops, dozens of thousands injured (many of whom will require intensive attention/care until they die, not to mention those who are paralyzed or vegetables). Let's not talk about the trillions this war will cost, the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and the 4 million Iraqi refugees. And then we have the terrorists who now see Iraq as a training ground (something which was not happening before Bush invaded), not to mention Iran being the victor in this whole thing.

Bush made terrible mistakes and there are way too many American and Iraqi lives which no longer exist thanks to him. Between the Lord and us? yes, that is true - and Bush will most certainly have to answer to God one day for his decision to invade Iraq (and its consequences).

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ORIGINAL: zooey4881

I was once a Bushtian. From 2001-2003 I thought Bush was ok. Then I started to see Bush was putting America on the wrong track. We never found WMD in Iraq. Now about 4000 deaths later were in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda? America is in recession while international companies profit off the middle class and poor of America. I think Bush claimed to be a unitarian too. I guess I'm a bitter backslider as so many others have become. Bushtianity no longer has any appeal for bettering my life or the lives of others. Even the tax cuts and the entire Bushtian dogma has failed Americans.