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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 12:04:45 PM
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rlj
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Now the Veterans get to share the hospital with thousands more ill soldiers. Instead of waiting 30 min for a doctor now they wait 60 min. Thank you GWB.
With the complete lack of preparation that went into this conflict and everything related to it they should be happy it's only an hour.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 12:28:21 PM
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Is that the topic? I mean just think of things to see the cup half empty instead of half full. I was not talking about these other issues. Be more posative it improves your health overall.  Negative is not healthy. BTW bless our vets, but you know have you ever sat in a normal DRs office? It takes two hours sometimes.
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Well something good about GWB. My pastor ask me to pray yesterday, get this homeland security, has a section for non-profit orgnization, do not understand it, and they are meeting to give our church 2,600 dollars, for our food pantry, which is half of our budget. So the poor will be helped, in our small town, instead of just five thousand, nearly eight. Praise God, and thank you GWB.
Now the Veterans get to share the hospital with thousands more ill soldiers. Instead of waiting 30 min for a doctor now they wait 60 min. Thank you GWB.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 3:50:20 PM
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Has President Bush made mistakes? Yes. And have I disagreed with him on a number of issues (amnesty, government growth)? Yes, I have.
But I also believe he has done what he believed was in the best interests of defending this nation. And for the most part, he has succeeded.
Unfortunately, the sheer unadulterated hatred that the left has for President Bush means that any rational discussion on the issue of his success or failure as a President will remain a distant dream......
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 3:54:57 PM
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lightshineon
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Very well put. And if any lefties want to send there money to lightshineon when distributed in May. Just write my e-mail, and will send you my address. I am sure you will not want to keep it, hurting the country and all, and your convictions. Yea another freedom thinker tafkam.
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Has President Bush made mistakes? Yes. And have I disagreed with him on a number of issues (amnesty, government growth)? Yes, I have.
But I also believe he has done what he believed was in the best interests of defending this nation. And for the most part, he has succeeded.
Unfortunately, the sheer unadulterated hatred that the left has for President Bush means that any rational discussion on the issue of his success or failure as a President will remain a distant dream......
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 4:05:07 PM
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Got my stimulus notice too.
I can hardly wait.
Thank you George Bush!
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 4:08:16 PM
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Could Al Gore have done a better job on 9/11? I seriously doubt it, but to call into question people's thoughts on freedom because of not liking his policies with Iraq? That's over the line, there lightshineon.
The War in Iraq has done nothing to make us safer. It's a created war.
I don't hate the man. I only disagree with his policies. And I am far from the left on conservativism.
Got my stimulus notice as well. Going right into savings. Won't be spent to help the economy caused by predatory lenders and people who borrowed money that they couldn't repay to begin with. Never mind that the gov't is bailing out the lenders and the borrowers with created money.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 4:55:22 PM
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Has President Bush made mistakes? Yes. And have I disagreed with him on a number of issues (amnesty, government growth)? Yes, I have.
But I also believe he has done what he believed was in the best interests of defending this nation. And for the most part, he has succeeded.
Unfortunately, the sheer unadulterated hatred that the left has for President Bush means that any rational discussion on the issue of his success or failure as a President will remain a distant dream......
Well, taf, I admire your courage. All the other long-time Bushies and Hawks have faded away as reality set in. Past his initial response after 9/11 to hit Afghanistan with groups already in place, it has been one blunder after another. Biggest of all is Iraq. The only reason His Excellency changed tactics in Iraq was the butt-kicking the GOP experienced during midterms. The guy is so arrogant and dense he can't process information unless he happens to agree with it. Not a leadership trait.
Nothing can convince me Al Gore could have done a worse controlled demolition of American foreign policy. Nor could he have spent money as fast as His Excellency has.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 5:27:36 PM
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Has President Bush made mistakes? Yes. And have I disagreed with him on a number of issues (amnesty, government growth)? Yes, I have.
But I also believe he has done what he believed was in the best interests of defending this nation. And for the most part, he has succeeded.
Unfortunately, the sheer unadulterated hatred that the left has for President Bush means that any rational discussion on the issue of his success or failure as a President will remain a distant dream......
My contention with this post is that what Al Gore would or would not have done is irrelevant, and it's impossible to prove how solid a leader Gore would have been. Gore was Bill Clinton's VP and he saw Clinton up close as he nearly bombed North Korea in 1994 (which would have triggered Korean War II and resulted in at least dozens of thousands of civilian casualties in South Korea, not to mention serious damage to civilian centers in North Korea and possibly dead Japanese civilians). He also saw Clinton's bombing of Kosovo.
The argument is that Gore would have lacked the spine to be a forceful leader. It is safe to assume that with the public outrage over 9/11, the responsibilities of being President, and the planet's mightiest military at his disposal, that Gore would have at least taken military action vs. the Taliban.
As for rational discussion: a few facts for rational analysis.
- US government reports have said that the invasion of Iraq turned that country into a training ground for terror
- Saddam Hussein's government never conducted any joint operations with al-Qaeda; there was no alliance, no friendship, no common ground - this we now know thanks to the 600,000 captured and translated Baath-era documents the US military occupation reviewed
- Bush removed a secular leader and triggered internecine violence in Iraq, much of it fueled by religious extremists (Shia)
- Bush considered Iran an enemy ('axis of evil' speech) but Iran is now the paramount power in the region sans Israel thanks to the removal of the Baath government
He has not defended our interests - he's not made America safer. His war in Iraq has heightened anti-US sentiment and elevated the standing of Osama Bin Laden even amidst "moderate, moneyed" Muslims as they perceive Americans to be committing aggression in Iraq. And if blowback ever comes, it'll probably hit you or me, but not Bush; Bush will be out of office and have an extensive personal protection detail until the day he dies.
I have no hatred for him as a person. I strongly disagree with his actions.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 5:49:16 PM
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lightshineon
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Again Thanks GWB, Like that commercial ( Thank You Easter Bunny) dont care about five years ago, that was five years ago, this is now. Forget the past. Yes Fritz, I have three children and am happy, you having five, I am sure you are happier than I am.  This is not about the war, isn't there a thread for that? No disespect, but, right now I am not talking about the war. If I wanted to talk about the war, I will go one thread down, and I don't, it is to big for me, and I will just trust our leaders on that one. Why keep the money if it is against your convictions? Just curious. I have never been late on my morgage, and Rich you already own your home at a young age, so I do not see the problem? I am proud of you for that. Thirty something of us that give GWB a good approval rating. Most will not speak up because, the anti-bush, persecute them. I stand by, what I say, or would not say it. Thanks again George.   BTW no offense, but it is George sending me 1,500 dollars, that makes him my new best friend.
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Well just got stimulus package notice in the mail, along with rates lowered on student loans. Yea again for GWB
Wow! Thank you Bush for bring down the rates to double what they were 5 years ago.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 6:14:44 PM
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lightshineon
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Don't you admire my courage too? 
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Has President Bush made mistakes? Yes. And have I disagreed with him on a number of issues (amnesty, government growth)? Yes, I have.
But I also believe he has done what he believed was in the best interests of defending this nation. And for the most part, he has succeeded.
Unfortunately, the sheer unadulterated hatred that the left has for President Bush means that any rational discussion on the issue of his success or failure as a President will remain a distant dream......
Well, taf, I admire your courage. All the other long-time Bushies and Hawks have faded away as reality set in. Past his initial response after 9/11 to hit Afghanistan with groups already in place, it has been one blunder after another. Biggest of all is Iraq. The only reason His Excellency changed tactics in Iraq was the butt-kicking the GOP experienced during midterms. The guy is so arrogant and dense he can't process information unless he happens to agree with it. Not a leadership trait.
Nothing can convince me Al Gore could have done a worse controlled demolition of American foreign policy. Nor could he have spent money as fast as His Excellency has.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 6:21:38 PM
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lightshineon
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Know what, not going to respond, because Jesus say's not too. So bless you Zooey4881. Jesus loves GWB.
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$1500 U.S.? Wow must be enough to buy 15 barrels of oil. That might get a year of gas. Thanks GWB! I'm getting $300 but I don't love GWB for it. Especially since the value of the dollar has dropped 60% in the last 5 years. Companies claim to be making record profits by showing large numbers of dollars. That's only smoke and mirrors. The true value of the company is less than before even when the number of dollars is higher. I guess some people love lies as long as they'er wrapped in a positive thought.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 10:20:27 PM
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lightshineon
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I am serious this is scary, the anger is uncalled for, it is really rage. I like GWB, and love Jesus Christ with all my heart. Jesus loves GWB.
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If Bush is a unitarian and unitarianism is evl don't you think Bush has greatly blasphemed against God by claiming to be a follower of Jesus Christ? Ever since Bush has become president all I see in America is oppression of the poor and false Christianity. Now a lot of Bushtians have become bitter backsliders. They now hate Jesus Christ and Christians. For years people were putting on their mask of outward righteousness and having church gatherings to pray for President Bush. That's probably why America deserves high gas prices, expensive food, and jobs that pay low. If their's one thing the rich hate it's the lack of respect they get from the middle class in America. The rich can't stand that a poor American can eat right, have great health, great education, and live as well or better than the rich. Mozillo(The ex-CEO of countrywide) said it's not about the money, it's about the respect. That's the attitude of the rich. They won't be happy until the middle class are spending 50% of their income on bread, rolling out the red carpet, and bowing down before the rich. All these people with their positive thinking, getting together, raising up the stock market as an idol, sacraficing to their stock market idol, and oppressing the poor has not passed God's attention. Bush will not escape office this year without God fully holding him to account. Bush and all his rich friends will be held to account by God. The majority of those who were in with Bush are right now scrambling to save their own skin. Bush and company have blasphemed Jesus Christ's name long enough. I'll be praying every day that Christ takes retribution.
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 10:29:42 PM
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Ah, the good old arguments about the "evil rich".
Some things never change....(yawn)
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 10:37:15 PM
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lightshineon
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I am not rich are you (lol) middle, middle, upper middle who knows? one of them, but no swiss bank accounts.
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Ah, the good old arguments about the "evil rich".
Some things never change....(yawn)
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 10:41:42 PM
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I will also step forward as a defender of the President. I believe President Bush was the right man for the office at the time. Can you imagine the horrible state we'd be in if Al Gore had won the election and been confronted with 9/11?
Bush Sr, John McCain or Al Gore all had enough strategic sense to know that you don't weaken Al Qaeda by occupying secular Arab states....s
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RE: Bush and the rollback of tyranny: a look back - 3/24/2008 11:37:48 PM
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Coolness I know lots of people now who can take their economic stimulus to their local mortgage bank and get their deed back to their house. The only other thing I have to say about it is "So?".
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