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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/6/2008 6:54:19 AM
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Newine59
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I believe torture in a war situation is allowable and RIGHT. Those terrorists who KILLED our people on 9-11 don't have rights! Certainly not U.S. rights or shouldn't! They took away our citizens rights when they killed them that day and in a war situation and to prevent futher deaths torture may be and IS sometimes nesscary. If you don't have the stomach for it, don't sign up, but be thankful that others do so that you can get on here and protest your little minds about it. I've served my Country in the military and my son is now serving. I also think we're doing a great job in Iraq and don't look forward to the next 4 years and a certain attack on this homeland when whoever gets into office. Thank God He put President Bush in when He did and kept it from happening again for the past 8 years, because attempts HAVE been made and thwarted because of the laws Bush has put into effect while he has been in office. Attempts the general public has not even been aware of.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/6/2008 10:11:55 AM
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Amen to that newine! I am GOSH DARN PROUD God put Godly leaders like President Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, Condi Rice and folks like Carl Rove and Paul Wolfawitz in because they have done worked they're tails off keeping the Moslem terrists away from are shoares. As far as torture is concerned I think they're orta be more of it. I say ever Moslem terrist shoold get they're heads bashed in, eyes gowged out, arms and legs dismemberred, and guts ripped open till them godless heathern killers reelize the USA aint gonna take it no more. THIS HERE IS WAR!!! We caint be mamby pamby about it. Its either kill or be killed!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/6/2008 2:08:46 PM
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Amen to that newine! I am GOSH DARN PROUD God put Godly leaders like President Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, Condi Rice and folks like Carl Rove and Paul Wolfawitz in because they have done worked they're tails off keeping the Moslem terrists away from are shoares. As far as torture is concerned I think they're orta be more of it. I say ever Moslem terrist shoold get they're heads bashed in, eyes gowged out, arms and legs dismemberred, and guts ripped open till them godless heathern killers reelize the USA aint gonna take it no more. THIS HERE IS WAR!!! We caint be mamby pamby about it. Its either kill or be killed!
You can start by apologizing to Japan for the execution of General Yamashita who was put to death for not preventing his troops from torturing American, British and Australian soldiers. You should make it a point to go on a tour of the US explaining to the families of those who took part in the Bataan death march that it was a moral and ok thing the Japanese did because "it was war".
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 5:35:04 AM
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WormHeart
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RLJ - I'm pretty sure darren.beene is a troll trying to make fun of right-wing americans.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 9:58:04 PM
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todd_t
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Wow, a tell-all book trashing a president, written by a disgruntled former staffer........I don't buy tripe like this even if it's bashing somebody I don't like....
Funny how any former administration member who openly disagrees with Bush is cast as "disgruntled," "out to make a buck," "sour grapes," etc.
I don't like how McClellan was so complicit in the White House's spin (AKA: lies) in the run-up to the war, but I admire how he's got the guts to question Bush when so many of the president's circle of yes-men (and women) all but regard him as the Second Coming of Christ.
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Sorry, cow, I'm still not buying it, anymore than I buy into the trashing of the Clintons by Dick Morris.....
Agreed on Morris; he's made a cottage industry of his former ties to the Clintons, and it is laughable how Fox always uses him as their go-to guy regarding anything Bill or Hillary-related, as if no one could possibly have more insight into them than Dick "Prostitute Toe-Sucker" Morris.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 1:24:29 PM
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as if no one could possibly have more insight in them than Dick "Prostitute Toe-Sucker" Morris.
Thanks, Todd, that's a mental image I needed just after lunch.... 
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2008 2:14:30 PM
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My most sincere apologies...
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2008 8:22:25 AM
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I got a chuckle out of this one:
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(SAN FRANCISCO) — A California group submitted a proposal Monday to rename a sewage treatment plant after President Bush, calling the initiative a fitting tribute to the outgoing chief executive and the "mess" he'll leave behind.
The Presidential Memorial Commission of San Francisco wants to switch the name of the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the George W. Bush Sewage Plant.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1820886,00.html
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2008 11:50:03 AM
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“Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn’t fit the media’s neat story line that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003. It’s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. In recent weeks, the U.S. secretly has helped the Iraqi government ship it all to Canada, where it was bought by a Canadian company for further processing into nuclear fuel—thus keeping it from potential use by terrorists or unsavory regimes in the region. This has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Yet, as the AP reported, this marks a ‘significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy.’ Seems to us this should be big news. After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush ‘lied’ about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S. This more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon...Saddam acquired most of his uranium before 1991, but still had it in 2003, when invading U.S. troops found the stuff... That means Saddam held onto it for more than a decade. Why? He hoped to wait out U.N. sanctions on Iraq and start his WMD program anew. This would seem to vindicate Bush’s decision to invade.” —Investor’s Business Daily
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2008 12:36:45 PM
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rlj
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Let me do the readers a favor and post your link:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=300323577877918
This is old news this stuff was there going all the way back to the 80s. This is the link to the AP article referenced by the Investor's Business Daily article:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107ap_iraq_yellowcake_mission.html
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Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.
U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site - surrounded by huge sand berms - following a wave of looting after Saddam's fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.
As pointed out everything was well documented.
I would probably file this down there with the 500 or so old mustard gas shells that everyone used to proclaim "Saddam's WMD's!" with and the White House Responded with "these aren't the WMD's we were looking for". As for this Yellow Cake? Why the silence from the White House? Oh yeah when we completely removed security from Iraq in our brilliant De-baathification project people would just show up and help themselves to this. Even though everyone knew it was there we didn't bother to secure it.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2008 3:36:09 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark
“Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn’t fit the media’s neat story line that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003. It’s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. In recent weeks, the U.S. secretly has helped the Iraqi government ship it all to Canada, where it was bought by a Canadian company for further processing into nuclear fuel—thus keeping it from potential use by terrorists or unsavory regimes in the region. This has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Yet, as the AP reported, this marks a ‘significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy.’ Seems to us this should be big news. After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush ‘lied’ about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S. This more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon...Saddam acquired most of his uranium before 1991, but still had it in 2003, when invading U.S. troops found the stuff... That means Saddam held onto it for more than a decade. Why? He hoped to wait out U.N. sanctions on Iraq and start his WMD program anew. This would seem to vindicate Bush’s decision to invade.” —Investor’s Business Daily
It amply proves that Saddam did not have the capability to do anything with the yellowcake except sit on it. It was not a secret. The secret was the sale and transportation out of the country. With the instability in Iraq, it was actually more likely to fall into bad hands.
Nice try, guys, but no points awarded on this one.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2008 8:18:43 PM
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litfire2000
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gee i dunno that america got lotsa weapons of mass destruction nuclear chemicle biological darn ifn i dont think somebody oughtn go invade them rascals and get rid of all that stuff cause they scaring me that bush fella might jus be crazy enuff to use them things
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 3:12:26 PM
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jkdjr25
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What's so bigoted about quoting a man's middle name?
And given Obama's clearly evident pacifism when it comes to matters of national security, I'm quite sure the terrorists will be throwing parties in the street if he is elected....
I'd been taking a sabbatical from posting here for a bit, but with my return I'll answer your question.
The thing that makes it bigotted is the attempt at implying certain ties that Barak Obama doesn't have. People automatically associate the name Hussein with the now deceased dictator Saddam, or at least that's what people, mostly republican commentators, hope. It's a sad, and fairly transparent attempt at saying Obama's a muslim without coming out and saying it.
It's a straight up manipulation of language to gain a negative response to Obama. Anyone who understands the english language and how emphasis words work can see that.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 9:27:46 AM
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tafkam
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I'm wondering what you thought of Whoopi Goldberg's obscene take on our current president's last name.
Or is that okay because he's a conservative?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 2:19:01 PM
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tafkam
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Well, I liked her in STAR TREK NEXT GEN.....
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 3:05:06 PM
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jkdjr25
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I'm wondering what you thought of Whoopi Goldberg's obscene take on our current president's last name.
Or is that okay because he's a conservative?
It was obscene but it's also two different scenarios.
One is a group of so called "conservatives" deliberately using tactics that are designed to lie about a person, without actually saying the lie. It's set up to play on people's prejudices and preconceived notions about words and they know it. It would be like trying to imply that John McCain was a secret member of the KKK because someone in that organization had his last name.
The scenario you put forward refers to a comedian who is KNOWN for being vulgar on stage. She's an admitted liberal and she at least admits to not liking Bush. Plus she also keeps those kinds of comments limited to her performances, when she speaks to people in interviews she puts forward a different persona. One of calm rationality, I know because I've watch Hannity interview her and she was a completely different person than when she was on stage, but this is true of a lot of stage perfomers.
One tactic is designed to destroy a man's career because they don't like his politics, which is reprehensible in my opinion. It's also race baiting in a way, and I thought conservatives were supposed to be against that kind of thing.
The other is childish name calling desifgned to embarass someone. It's not right either but it's apples and oranges in this case.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 5:02:23 PM
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So you're basically okay with it....thank you...
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 5:45:10 PM
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So you're basically okay with it....thank you...
Did you actually read the entirety of what I wrote? Because it seems like you didn't. So allow me to refresh your spurious memory. In refrence to Whoopi's use of a crude joke about the President's name "It's not right either". There you go, in black and white, that's what I said.
I also said that it's apples and oranges in this case and I think you know it.
The name Hussein has very clear connotations and is connected to one of the worst dictators in human history. So when someone, most notably people like Ann Coulter, put emphasis on that part of Obama's name they are trying to make a psychological connection between the two without actually having to lie about it to do so. It is nowhere close to the same as telling a crude joke.
One is a crude and juvenile joke designed to embarass at the worst. Comedians do that all the time, it's not right (bolded so you can read it easier this time since you clearly didn't get the message last time) but it's not the same as what jerks like Coulter are doing.
They are deliberately trying to destroy a man they don't agree with and using race baiting to do it. I thought Christians were supposed to be against baring false witness? I guess since he's a liberal it's ok though. Anything to win because the ends justify the means right?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2008 9:45:10 AM
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Well, he's notonly a liberal, but a liberal who seems determined that this is a war we will not win. Couple that with the man's middle name and I think anybody would be suspicious.
Of course most of the Democrats are invested in our defeat, but that's another thread...
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2008 2:26:57 PM
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todd_t
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So you're basically okay with it....thank you...
Would you mind letting people speak for themselves instead of you doing it for them?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2008 3:34:12 PM
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jkdjr25
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Well, he's notonly a liberal, but a liberal who seems determined that this is a war we will not win. Couple that with the man's middle name and I think anybody would be suspicious.
Of course most of the Democrats are invested in our defeat, but that's another thread...
The ends, whatever they be, do not justify the means.
These second and third party nitwits need to shut their mouths and actually let the candidates' ideas be measure by which the next President is chosen. Using the man's name to imply things about him that aren't true is baring false witness and that's a violation of God's Law, which we're supposed to be against.
But I forgot, it doesn't count as lying when you're talking about a liberal.
Silly me.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2008 5:01:56 PM
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But I forgot, it doesn't count as lying when you're talking about a liberal.
Silly me.
Correct. It's called the Ann Coldheart Rule of Absolution.
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