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soblessed53 -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/19/2005 11:07:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tensparks

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Did I miss the posts saying we should get out of Iraq?


If memory serves we were discussing Cindy Sheehan. She did call for the immediate withdrawl of troops.






But as far as pthalomarie and my remarks went the posts were about Bush's callousness to her,nothing more. It was just certain men who wanted to make a case for Bush and attack Cindy,which had nothing at all to do with the point we were saying,and if you re-read our posts we do not say a thing about getting out of Iraq.



Jhud -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 12:24:06 AM)

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Perhaps Casey should have been better served if he had emulating the president who performed his patriotic duty by sitting out a previous war with the Alabama National Guard. Unfortunately the death of one's son or daughter creates a "bad attitude" by the parents directed towards the Administration.


Perhaps he would be better served if his mother weren't making a mockery of his service, along with her left-wing supporters.



Jhud -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 12:26:31 AM)

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It was just certain men who wanted to make a case for Bush and attack Cindy,which had nothing at all to do with the point we were saying,and if you re-read our posts we do not say a thing about getting out of Iraq.


Bush hasn't been the least bit callous to Cindy Sheehan; and no one is attacking her; just because we aren't joining her in her ill-concieved vigil doesn't mean she is being 'attacked'.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 12:36:49 AM)

[/quote] But as far as pthalomarie and my remarks went the posts were about Bush's callousness to her,nothing more. It was just certain men who wanted to make a case for Bush and attack Cindy,which had nothing at all to do with the point we were saying,and if you re-read our posts we do not say a thing about getting out of Iraq.
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Uhhh..I was responding to this: "I think it's interesting that people here aren't talking about Cindy Sheehan."



soblessed53 -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 12:40:20 AM)

I am curious,what is the reason that you and Jhud are even on a brush "CRITIQUE" thread? Do you thirst for debate so much? As for me I am through with it.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 1:13:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: soblessed53
I am curious,what is the reason that you and Jhud are even on a brush "CRITIQUE" thread? Do you thirst for debate so much? As for me I am through with it.


Well, here's my "CRITIQUE" of Bush in regards to Cindy Sheehan: He showed compassion when he had met with her and Casey's other family members.

I also feel that he is doing an excellent job of not bowing to the demands of peaceniks.



soblessed53 -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 1:20:51 AM)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary






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critique[1,noun]critique[2,transitive verb]

Main Entry: 1cri·tique
Pronunciation: kr&-'tEk, kri-
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of 2critic
[size=2]: an act of criticizing; especially : a critical estimate or discussion


It really is pathetic how some people just troll,seeking to start an arguement.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 1:52:12 AM)

Fritz, is this thread only for negative criticizm?



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 2:24:08 AM)

I just read the first post, your post, and it seems that it's only for negative stuff about Bush. Why not a one stop thread for the good, the bad and the ugly?



jgarden -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 5:29:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tensparks.......... ~Your life is not President Bush's fault.~ "


Perhaps not - but Casey Sheehan made a commitment and paid the ultimate sacrifice, a choice that the present Commander and Chief chose to avoid by not volunteering for active duty in Vietnam. If America's young were to follow their president's glorious example, they would all be members of the Alabama National Guard. Then nobody would be left to go tand die in Iraq.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 7:13:39 PM)

Hey, jgarden,

Excellent job of stomping on the graves of those who served in the National Guard.[:'(] You should be ashamed of yourself.



pthalomarie -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 8:34:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephanos

Since this is the "Bush thread" i want to tackle the whole idea of "Bush is always on vacation." First, may i remind you that for the 8 years prior to Bush, we had Clinton who had no place of his own. Prior to president he was gov of Arkansas and lived in the governors home. When he did take a vacation he went to Camp David. But let me go back in history and compair.

Bush 41 took nearly 543 days of vacation at Camp David and his home in Kennebunkport Maine.

Reagan spent 335 days at his ranch at Santa Barbara, California.


Good point. It's work noting that Carter took vacation 79 days, and Clinton took 166 days of vacation. So it's not an issue of Bush's laziness; it's an issue of Republican laziness, which is at its most extreme with the Bush family.

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All these complaints about Bush being on "vacation" to much is pure hogwash.

FIRST, i think the President of a country such as America DESERVES a vacation from what he goes through all day. He deserves a chance to get away from Washington.


There's a difference between deserving vacation, and abusing it. Most of us have worked with such people at some point; inevitably, everyone regards the person taking all the vacations as less concerned or committed to their job, because it's an accurate assessment.

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Second, its not like President Bush does nothing when he is on vacation. He still does EVERYTHING he does in Washington there at Crawford.


No, he doesn't. He fishes, he tends to his property, he has cook outs. That's not what he does in Washington.

(Although someone pointed out on Bill Maher's show that Bush's habitual vacationing may be a blessing, given what he does to the nation and world when he's not on vacation.)

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Shoot, he even brings heads of state to Crawford.


For vacation time. Not for a summit.

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Personaly i think many of them would rather visit in rural Texas, rather than going into the city of DC.


Yes, Crawford is such a hot tourist town. No one visits the sights in Washington anymore, right?



pthalomarie -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 8:52:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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And why is it ill-concieved,and what is the harm in meeting with her a second time?


Because, she is putting on a left-wing media circus; meeting with her would would serve no purpose whatsoever.


Use common sense. If Bush announces that he'll meet with Sheehan, he'd snuff out the protests. Most of the folks are there to make the point that Bush is unconcerned about the lives of soldiers, or their families. If he shows concern, even if it's just for show, that would be the end of all of this.

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Actually, I heard her basically say in an interview that she hopes he doesn't meet with her, because the publicity is better if he doesn't.


I don't expect you to back up your claim, but it would be fair to actually quote people instead of saying that they sorta/kinda said something close to what you remember.

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ORIGINAL: tensparks

The peacniks need to realize that old vietnam tactics will not work.


What exactly are "old Vietnam tactics"? Conservative and liberals both protest in pretty much the same way - picket signs, sit-ins, vigils, etc. From a distance, it's impossible to discern the political leanings of a protest based on how they're demonstrating their displeasure.

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This is an all volunteer military which by the way, has extremely high reenlistment. There's no draft and no children being "sent" to war.


There's a deceptive flaw in your claim. There is no draft, because the administration keeps extending peoples' tour of duties well beyond the length they had agreed to when they enlisted. Soldiers in Iraq serve far longer tours than Vietnam soldiers did.

The high re-enlistment rates are attributed to the cash bonuses offered, which range from from $1,000 to $150,000.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 9:10:35 PM)

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There's a deceptive flaw in your claim. There is no draft, because the administration keeps extending peoples' tour of duties well beyond the length they had agreed to when they enlisted. Soldiers in Iraq serve far longer tours than Vietnam soldiers did.

The high re-enlistment rates are attributed to the cash bonuses offered, which range from from $1,000 to $150,000.


First off, there is a stop loss clause in their contract. So your statement is false. It *is part of what they agreed to.

Secondly, not everyone who is reenlisting qualifies for a bonus. As a matter of fact, quite a few don't.



welvet -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 10:18:40 PM)

pthalomarie,

I want to say that no matter what the reason people are reenlisting...they are doing it. As adults. It's their choice. Just like it was Casey choice and his choice to volunteer for a dangerous mission.

I'm thankful that we have a CIC that refuses to allow "mothers against -------- (fill in)" to dictate foreign policy.



Jhud -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 11:29:13 PM)

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Good point. It's work noting that Carter took vacation 79 days, and Clinton took 166 days of vacation. So it's not an issue of Bush's laziness; it's an issue of Republican laziness, which is at its most extreme with the Bush family.


Laziness? Who are you comparing them to, Clinton? Heaven forbid that they should be as busy as him.

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There's a difference between deserving vacation, and abusing it. Most of us have worked with such people at some point; inevitably, everyone regards the person taking all the vacations as less concerned or committed to their job, because it's an accurate assessment.


How is he abusing it? I wish more politicians would take really long vacations.

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For vacation time. Not for a summit.


Yeah, cause heavens knows when he's hanging with Tony Blair their jus' eatin' dem' rinds.



Jhud -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/20/2005 11:37:04 PM)

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Use common sense. If Bush announces that he'll meet with Sheehan, he'd snuff out the protests. Most of the folks are there to make the point that Bush is unconcerned about the lives of soldiers, or their families. If he shows concern, even if it's just for show, that would be the end of all of this.


What; you are saying the left would just pack up and go home? Meet with her! Meet with her!

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I don't expect you to back up your claim, but it would be fair to actually quote people instead of saying that they sorta/kinda said something close to what you remember.


Yeah, I admit I can't cite the source in this (the women has said some ten trillion words over the course of the last few weeks, most of which are meaningless rants) but even if I did cite a source, when has the left ever cared about facts?



soblessed53 -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 8:54:10 AM)

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Yeah, I admit I can't cite the source in this (the women has said some ten trillion words over the course of the last few weeks, most of which are meaningless rants) but even if I did cite a source, when has the left ever cared about facts?



And everyone knows how" careful" Jerry Falwell's,and Bush's people are with the "facts"now don't we,ROTFL![sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif][sm=Llol.gif]



Jhud -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 9:08:52 AM)

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And everyone knows how" careful" Jerry Falwell's,and Bush's people are with the "facts"now don't we,ROTFL!


Who are you comparing them to, Micheal Moore?



soblessed53 -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 2:10:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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And everyone knows how" careful" Jerry Falwell's,and Bush's people are with the "facts"now don't we,ROTFL!


Who are you comparing them to, Micheal Moore?



Why sure,why not? With as little credibility as the fanatical religious right and Bush and his side have,ROTFL?


joke-A politician was running for re-election and was talking at a campaign stop to his constituents.

"My opponent has called me a liar. Rest assured, I have never lied to you. The only problem I have is that the facts don't always match up with what I believe."

Wonder if Bush ever said this?



bassplayer4God -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 2:29:06 PM)

Bush is losing it. He has become stagnant and the Iraq thing isn't turning out so well. Oil prices are straining us and making other prices go up as well. Bush has stopped being a leader and has become a politician.
Im sick of both the Republicans and Democrats. That is why I registered as a Constitutionalist. Bush isn't as hard lined as he claimed to be after 911. He too worries about the politically correct crowd. Im sick of it all!



jgarden -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 3:09:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tensparks

Hey, jgarden,

Excellent job of stomping on the graves of those who served in the National Guard.[:'(] You should be ashamed of yourself.

Perhaps you would care to explain Bush's decision to stay stateside with the Alabama National Guard rather than follow his father's example and see active combat. As someone from a privileged class, you might expect him to lead by example.

Its interesting how he puts others in harm's way - but chose to avoid it himself. Its Bush who exploited the Guard so he could follow other "pursuits."



musikman -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 3:24:47 PM)

You're conveniently forgetting that Bush's squadron could have been called up at any time. For whatever reason, they were not.

Are we then to assume that the other men in Bush's squadron were also too cowardly to "see active combat"



jgarden -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 3:39:13 PM)

His squadron "could" have been called up for active duty, but if he had followed the Bush "tradition" he would have volunteered for active duty. Instead of "could," he "would" have seen active duty. Dan Quayle, Bush Sr.'s choice for VP also went the National Guard route.



Stephanos -> RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread (8/21/2005 10:31:24 PM)

By saying that it is "cowardly" for Bush not to have volenteered for duty in Vietnam, you ARE putting down all the men and women who have EVER served in the Reserves and Gurad units. If you are to nieve to see that then there is no use in discusting this issue further with you and your down right idiotic statements.

But to go on what is more cowardly? To actualy serve in the military during Vietnam? Or to run to Britian like the former President Clinton did? Or run to Canada like hundreds of liberal hypies did. Where was your critisim of Clinton when he sent American service members into Bosnia? Why did you not say HE did not have the guts to do what he was asking our solders to do?

Or are you saying military service should be a requirement for being President? Since only a former military man could possibly respect sending solders into war.

No, you did not critisize Clintion, and you dont think military service should be required for President. All you are doing is biasly attacking our President for hatefilled and sinful reasons.

BTW may i ask YOU if you have ever served? What makes you an expert on what our solders are thinking and feeling? You think you know the average military man better than our President?



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