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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/23/2005 10:08:01 PM
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jgarden
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Not to mention the answer has been given before. But when faced with logic and reaons why their arguments are idiotic, liberals always fall back on bashing.
To answer your question jgarden, if you even do the slightest reserch into the facts you quickly will come to your own answer. But running under the assumption that either A) you are too lazy to look for your self, or B) you are afraid you will be shown as wrong. Let me tell you.
President Bush was infact assigned to the Texas National Guard for the first 4 years of his duty. From 1968 to 1972. During this time he was considered an top rated pilot acumilating more than required amounts of points. In 1972 Bush requested transfer to the Alabama National guard so he may be involved with a Senate campain for one Winton Blount. During this time Bush stopped flying, but still attended the required drill exersizes. In late 1973 President Bush requested a discharge from the military to attend Harvard. He was given a honorable discharge after serving 5 months 4 months and 5 days of his original 6 year commitment.
So again if you cared to look you would see that everything was perfectly straight and Bush did NOTHING wrong in his time in the Guard.
But again, by saying Bush was wrong to join the Gurad because he wanted to avoid service in Vietnam is two things. First it shows pure ignorance to the fact that Guard Units could be and were called up for the Vietnam war. A COWARD is one who went to Canada or England to avoid getting drafted. Second, you are slamming every solder, airman, marine and sailor that has ever served as a Gurads man or in the Reserves. You are saying they too are cowards because they did not wish to join the full military. And frankly that makes you a few words that i can not say on this board. And dont give me the line about "Im not disrespecting the Guard" because you are, even if you dont realize it.
After I was enlightened by your charming post describing my patriotic shortcomings and GWB's fine record protecting Texas and Alabama from those nasty Viet Cong, something caught my attention.
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In 1972 Bush requested transfer to the Alabama National guard so he may be involved with a Senate campaign for one Winton Blount. During this time Bush stopped flying, but still attended the required drill exercises.
1. Is it common practice in the National Guard to allow one of its prized pilots to switch to another state as a campaign worker?
2. Since the military is supposedly free from political influence, can we assume that neither Blount or Bush Sr. used any of their considerable political influence with respect to this guardsman's transfer?
3. How can a pilot in the National Guard not only switch states, but also be exempt from his primary assignment - flying ? What was the purpose of attending "drill exercises" but stay on the ground where he could campaign for the Senator?
4. If Bush's squadron had been transfered how could he have accompanied them when his priority had been developing his campaigning skills at the expense of his flying skills?
5. Perhaps all the pilots in the Alabama National Guard should have also worked on Blount's Senate campaign, stop flying but attend the drill exercises? A whole state with pilots who don't fly.
6. The nation can sleep at night knowing that they are sending a squadron of highly trained campaign workers into harms way - makes one proud to be an American.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/23/2005 10:10:27 PM
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haldir
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Okay, I have stayed out of here until now.
What frosted me on Bush for all time was earlier this year when Mr. Bush personally and publicly responded to a terrible incident in my neck of the woods.
In the town of Libby, MT there has been a tremendous amount of documented medical cases of a deadly degree of asbestos contamination wrought by the irresponsible activites of a virmiculite mining company that filed for bankruptcy in 2001. A class-action lawsuit was filed on behalf of workers and their families who were unwittingly exposed to toxic levels of tremolite asbestos.
In his state of the union speech, just days after the lawsuit was filed, President Bush insulted the suffering populace of Libby by saying, "Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims"- this in the same speech in which he declared, "one of the deepest values of our country is compassion"!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050202-11.html
This article is a good summation of the severity of the situation in Libby, and points out the scandalous evasiveness by W.R. Grace & Co. who owned and operated the mine, yet enjoyed the sympathy and attempted amnesty of the Bush administration:
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21270/
Here Mr. Bush and his conservative elite have demonstrated in spades the degree of their callused cupidity by trivializing the very real suffering of the people of Libby, MT and impuging what is left of their dignity.
I have been resolutely anti-Bush ever since, not that I was a huge fan before.
Where in the article does it say that those people are not receiving the help they need? Also, the class action suit is still on-going. It's a pretty loose claim that President Bush was referring to that particular class action suit in his Feb. 2005 address. Strange that there is several years difference. Frankly, it's all conjecture without proof. BTW, if the charges are true, I hope that company is put out of business and funds go to those families.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/23/2005 10:25:57 PM
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haldir
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In 1972 Bush requested transfer to the Alabama National guard so he may be involved with a Senate campaign for one Winton Blount. During this time Bush stopped flying, but still attended the required drill exercises.
1. Is it common practice in the National Guard to allow one of its prize pilots to switch to another state as a campaign worker?
2. Since the military is supposedly free free political influence, can we assume that neither Blount or Bush Sr. used absolutely none of their considerable political influence with respect to this guardsman's transfer?
3. How can a pilot in the National Guard not only switch states but be exempt from his primary assignment - flying. What was the purpose of attending "drill exercises" but stay on the ground where he could campaign for the Senator?
4. If Bush's squadron had been transfered is priority had been developing his campaigning skills instead of his flying skills?
5. Perhaps all the pilots in the Alabama National Guard could have worked on Blount's Senate campaign, stop flying but attend the drill exercises?
6. The nation can sleep at night knowing that they are sending a squadron of highly trained campaign workers into harms way - makes one proud to be an American.
Read these jgarden:
http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110956,00.html
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/23/2005 11:30:37 PM
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Jhud
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You've just disqualified yourself from even commenting on her. This is an admission to gossip: you have no evidence, so you speculate (or worse yet, you make something up.)
If it's too hard to find quotes that illustrate the charges you're making, then don't make charges.
Oh for heaven sake, if you are going to nag me about it, it's not like I sit around with pen in one hand and remote in the other, waiting to cite some quote to satisfy your bizarre focus on citations. None the less, here is the quote:
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Keith (Oberman, of MSNBC fame): “It’s pure politics, the nature of the media coverage you’re getting now…From the perspective of your protest there, in a way isn’t it really better if President Bush doesn’t meet with you?”
Sheehan: “I would think so, yeah.. I think it’s great. If he were to come out right now, I think it would diffuse the momentum, but I don’t want to give them any hints. And, I think that’s something they’ve probably already thought about. But, we’re here, we’re committed and we’re staying. In fact, we’re staying here the whole month of August…..”
See the video for yourself, just in case I am, you know, 'making up the quote'. Of course, I am sure you will find some other reason to dismiss this, because, as I said before, it's not about the facts for the left; it's all about the show...
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 1:07:03 AM
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Stephanos
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First the national guard is apart of the United States Military. It is NOT a state run institution. What guard units alow are for those who wish to serve in the military part time and hold a full time job at a location of their choice. As such, it is infact COMMON for people to change guard units when they move as a result of work changes. Bush did not get any "special" treatment, but rather as a result of a change in location of where he was going to work he was allowed to transfer to a diffrent guard unit. If he were to get "special" treatment and "skip out on vietnam" he would request a discharge of his duty. If he was getting "special" treatment he would be free of his obligations, but no rather President Bush stayed in the service rather than finding a way out.
Again, as i said to pthalomarie, your words critisizing Bush's guard service and your attacks on the Alabama National Guard itself is a pure insult to all men and women who have ever served as a guardsman. Again, you may not believe you were trying to do that, but that is infact what you have done.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 1:13:03 AM
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First the national guard is apart of the United States Military. It is NOT a state run institution. What guard units alow are for those who wish to serve in the military part time and hold a full time job at a location of their choice. As such, it is infact COMMON for people to change guard units when they move as a result of work changes. Bush did not get any "special" treatment, but rather as a result of a change in location of where he was going to work he was allowed to transfer to a diffrent guard unit. If he were to get "special" treatment and "skip out on vietnam" he would request a discharge of his duty. If he was getting "special" treatment he would be free of his obligations, but no rather President Bush stayed in the service rather than finding a way out.
Again, as i said to pthalomarie, your words critisizing Bush's guard service and your attacks on the Alabama National Guard itself is a pure insult to all men and women who have ever served as a guardsman. Again, you may not believe you were trying to do that, but that is infact what you have done.
And before someone brings it up, it's also not that unusual for the military to grant someone who has performed their duties well an early discharge. I went to Bible institute with a fellow who was able to get discharged 3 months early so that he could start classes at our B.I. on time, and my own father was discharged a couple of months early from the USAF so that he could start his civilian job on the understanding that he would register for inactive reserve with the NH ANG for the last months of his hitch.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 1:27:38 AM
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Again pthalomarie by saying president Bush is the same as Clinton by joining the National Guard, you are putting the same negative immage on all service members who served as Guardsmen. And for that i condem you!
Is "I condemn you!" supposed to be like "No Soup For You!"?
Anyhow, thank you for those kind words. They was very amusing; sort like getting yelled at by a Mini-Mart clerk doing his best Soup Nazi riff.
And you know, you're cute when you're angry. 
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By extension, pthalomarie, jgarden, and others like them are also condemning servicemen in the Air Force and Navy who also joined up because they didn't want to get drafted. (btw, John Kerry joined the Navy for the same reasons... getting sent to Vietnam was just bad luck).
You'll have to provide evidence that the Navy and Air Force were used in such a manner.
Every bio of Kerry I've ever read agrees that he signed up with the intent to serve in the war (and given how close his tour of duty began after his enlistment, it's unlikely that your scenario is true.)
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A lot of young men during that time used the loop-holes in the draft rules to avoid getting drafted, but they still served, rather than taking a cowardly or treasonous alternative.
I don't see how using loopholes isn't cowardly.
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Oh for heaven sake, if you are going to nag me about it, it's not like I sit around with pen in one hand and remote in the other, waiting to cite some quote to satisfy your bizarre focus on citations.
Ethically speaking, people shouldn't make a habit of putting words into the mouths of public figures, or paraphrasing or distorting their words with the intent to skew opinion one way or another. That's gossip.
And anyone who's managed 2,982 posts has time to look up a quote.
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None the less, here is the quote:
Keith (Oberman, of MSNBC fame): “It’s pure politics, the nature of the media coverage you’re getting now…From the perspective of your protest there, in a way isn’t it really better if President Bush doesn’t meet with you?”
Sheehan: “I would think so, yeah.. I think it’s great. If he were to come out right now, I think it would diffuse the momentum, but I don’t want to give them any hints. And, I think that’s something they’ve probably already thought about. But, we’re here, we’re committed and we’re staying. In fact, we’re staying here the whole month of August…..”
Was that so hard to do?
And don't you feel better, now that you'r relying on evidence instead of speculation?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 2:42:29 AM
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Stephanos
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I see you would rather make a joke about me then either face up to or apoligize for your views on the National Guard. But then again they are after all cowards in your eyes so why not make fun of the people who are truly sickened by your adidtude to men and women who are heros for commiting to serve this country.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 8:52:25 AM
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Where in the article does it say that those people are not receiving the help they need?
It said right in the beginning that the people of Libby won their suit. But in the eyes of President Bush, this only proves that "Justice is distorted". Those were his exact words.
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Also, the class action suit is still on-going.
No, actually it all pretty much summed up by last May. There were a lot of happy Montanans, not just in Libby. What irked me the most was that the local papers made no mention of Bush's "frivolous" accusations while reporting the case.
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It's a pretty loose claim that President Bush was referring to that particular class action suit in his Feb. 2005 address.
It was the major asbestos case at the time, and it was just days after Libby's class action suit was filed.
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Strange that there is several years difference.
No, just days difference.
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Frankly, it's all conjecture without proof.
No, it is all fact which you haved ignored apparently in order to preserve your illusions about the "goodness" and "morality" of conservativism and Mr. Bush. But this case is where the rubber truly meets the road.
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BTW, if the charges are true, I hope that company is put out of business and funds go to those families.
The company filed for bankruptcy in 2001 crying that "a flood of frivolous lawsuits" (other prior suits) were driving them out of business, and the Bush administration offered their shoulder to cry on.
Like I said, the charges were true, the lawsuits were won this year, but the Bush administration made good and sure that their tort deform limited how much that the people could get while W. R. Grace & Co. did the old shell game and kept their assets in flux in order to not get it taken away either by lawsuit or by bankruptcy.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 9:08:05 AM
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How much money did the most affected get? How much of the settlement did the lawyers get? The lawyers get 40% and all of the expenses, including all taxes of the litigation are taken from the 60%, then what's left is distributed to the many plaintiff's, it's not a whole lot of money by that time. That is where the tort reform is needed. The only one's getting anything are the trial attorneys.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 9:13:15 AM
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haldir
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It said right in the beginning that the people of Libby won their suit. But in the eyes of President Bush, this only proves that "Justice is distorted". Those were his exact words.
Again show proof that President Bush was talking about that specific lawsuit. You are making an assumption. Also the article does not say that the suit was won.
"Sometimes the ironic timing of events in our public life is so striking as to cause one to wonder if the Great Scriptwriter in the Sky isn't trying to make a point. Thus, the word that the U.S. Senate voted for tort deform last week came just a few days after the news that seven executives of W.R. Grace and Co. were indicted on criminal charges for knowingly exposing their workers and the public to asbestos ore."
The company has been indicted. No where in the article does it say it has been won.
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It was the major asbestos case at the time, and it was just days after Libby's class action suit was filed.
Again an assumption on your part.
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No, it is all fact which you haved ignored apparently in order to preserve your illusions about the "goodness" and "morality" of conservativism and Mr. Bush. But this case is where the rubber truly meets the road.
You need to reread the article, which has an obivious slant, for proof. It is mostly conjecture on the Author's part.
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The company filed for bankruptcy in 2001 crying that "a flood of frivolous lawsuits" (other prior suits) were driving them out of business, and the Bush administration offered their shoulder to cry on.
Like I said, the charges were true, the lawsuits were won this year, but the Bush administration made good and sure that their tort deform limited how much that the people could get while W. R. Grace & Co. did the old shell game and kept their assets in flux in order to not get it taken away either by lawsuit or by bankruptcy.
Please reread the article.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 9:57:26 AM
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Ethically speaking, people shouldn't make a habit of putting words into the mouths of public figures, or paraphrasing or distorting their words with the intent to skew opinion one way or another. That's gossip.
I didn't put words in her mouth; I just didn't cite them. And it's not 'gossip'; she said it on national television for heaven's sake
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And anyone who's managed 2,982 posts has time to look up a quote.
And those with only 243 posts don't have all that much room to criticize; some of us have real jobs.
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Was that so hard to do?
And don't you feel better, now that you'r relying on evidence instead of speculation?
Actually it was always based on evidence, you were the one speculating that it wasn't.
None the less, apology accepted.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 1:30:11 PM
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Genuflect
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Again show proof that President Bush was talking about that specific lawsuit. You are making an assumption.
He did not say "Libby, MT", but he did specify "frivolous asbestos claims" which is precisely what the Libby suit is about. Is there any reason why Libby should consider themselves excluded from Mr. Bush's comments?
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Also the article does not say that the suit was won.
You are right; my mistake. However, I live about a two-hour drive from Libby which, in context of the geographical size of Montana, makes us neighbors. I do know for a fact that the case was won because it was all over the front pages of western Montana newspapers, television, and radio.
And I have friends there as well.
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You need to reread the article, which has an obivious slant, for proof. It is mostly conjecture on the Author's part.
As I have just pointed out, the article is not my primary source of information. I do know what I am talking about.
Why are you trying to deny the reality of this case and Mr. Bush's comments?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2005 1:51:18 PM
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I am not denying the reality of the lawsuit or President Bush's speech, only that there is evidence of a connection between the two.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 1:02:31 AM
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Boston Globe
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/7562.html
"It was not until the Vietnam era that the Guard became a route to avoid combat. State militias and state-organized volunteers were the primary sources of combat soldiers from Colonial days ..........
President Lyndon Johnson decided not to use the Guard more in Vietnam, for fear it would signal an escalation of the war, and that caused the Guard "to become an escape route" from combat, said Thomas Alan Schwartz, a history professor at Vanderbilt University and author of "Lyndon Johnson and Europe: In the Shadow of Vietnam."
"The National Football League tried to get its players into the Guard. The National Guard during Vietnam was a privilege," Schwartz said.
Historians point out that privileged men have always found ways out of combat...........
Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 at 7:41 PM"
This is not an attack against the National Guard, but those few with the wealth and political influence to exploit it for their own purposes. To criticize the few should not be confused as an attack on the many.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 3:15:30 AM
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PPI | Front & Center | October 18, 2004
Bush vs. Clinton: An Economic Performance Index
By Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several important economic indicators shows they're right. In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data, these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly negative change during President George W. Bush's administration, compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's administration. Presidents obviously do not control everything that happens on their watch. But it is fair -- and entirely appropriate -- to judge how they play the economic hands they are dealt. Bush's economic policies have diverged dramatically from Clinton's, and PPI believes the disparities in economic outcomes under each administration are attributable at least in part to those policy choices.
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=107&subsecID=295&contentID=252964 Link for the full story and the chart.
Republicans gather to bash Bush
By Gary Gerhardt, Rocky Mountain News
October 26, 2004
A number of lifelong Republicans gathered at Kerry-Edwards headquarters in Denver on Monday to endorse Democrats this year.
Members of the group said they had soured for various reasons on President Bush's policies and would not support his re-elect
At the same rally, Mayor John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, formally endorsed John Kerry and John Edwards, saying he had studied promises, pledges and records of both parties and believed Kerry is the better choice for president.
"My decision wasn't based on partisanship," he said. It was based on the number of manufacturing jobs that have been lost, the number of households filing for bankruptcy, the rising cost of insurance and the loss of wages during the Bush tenure, Hickenlooper said.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3281373,00.html
Census data released Thursday, August 26 show that the number and percentage of Americans living below the poverty line increased for the third consecutive year in 2003, and the number and percentage of people without health insurance also climbed for the third straight year, leaving 45 million Americans uninsured in 2003 — the largest number on record, with the data going back to 1987.
http://www.cbpp.org/8-26-04pov.htm
What Ownership Society?
What Ownership Society?
George W. Bush will talk about his idea of an "ownership society" tonight. Here's what his plans really mean.
By Robert B. Reich
Web Exclusive: 09.02.04
You haven't heard much at the Republican Convention about jobs and wages, because job growth has stalled and wages are stagnant. But you will hear about something Republicans are now calling the "Ownership Society." The notion is to expand private ownership through more tax cuts on capital investments, tax credits for saving, and privatized Social Security.
Sounds nice, but here's the problem: The Republican rhetoric assumes most Americans can save and invest. The reality is, most Americans are deep in debt. Before they can join the "Ownership Society" they've got to pay their credit card bills, their rising variable-rate mortgages, and their auto loans. After that, there's no money left because jobs are in short supply and wages are stuck in the mud.
The Commerce Department reported this week that personal incomes rose a measily one-tenth of one percent in July, the lowest rise in almost two years. And -- given rising prices for food, fuel, and health insurance -- consumers spent more than they earned. So last month, Americans went even deeper into debt. The result: Less ownership, not more.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8447
Economy added only 32,000 jobs last month http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5621394/ Fed still expected to raise interest rates Tuesday
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 4:34:56 AM
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Can any “ Bush lover” give me list of 10 things Bush did right in last six years? If I see the list may be I will change my mind about him.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 4:59:20 AM
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1. Instituted tax cuts for ALL Americans. Despite what the liberals lead you to believe the rich already have a unfair portion of the tax burden. The wealthest 5% of americans pay over 50% of the taxes in this country. So ofcourse if you cut everyone's taxes by 1% (not what happend but use a figure) then ofcourse the "rich" will get back more money, since they paid more in the begining. Add to this that by giving the "rich" some money back many of them can put that money into their companies thus creating more jobs.
2. Went after and crippled the Talaban/Al Queda. IF we look back since 1992 AQ attacked us at the 93 WTC bombings, the African Embacy bombings, and the USS Cole. Finaly in 2001 they attacked and took down the WTC. Under Clinton we did nothing and AQ attacked us harder. Under Bush we did something, and AQ has not been as much a problem since.
3. Took out a evil man named Saddam. Anyone who thinks Iraqi's are better off under a man who gassed his own country men, and raped tortured and killed those who opposed him; then they are under the new leadership that is emerging is darn right stupid.
4. Kept us out of Kyoto. All this treaty was for was to destroy america. Saddly the worlds fastest growing industrial nation China, was not effected by this treaty. Does it not make sence to regulate them now, instead of wating? Unless ofcourse you dont care about China, and your aim is to attack america.
5. Appoint Condi Rice as Sec of State. What is the best thing you can do when you are fighting a people who believe that a woman's place is at home covered and basicly your proporty? Apoint a woman as your chief diplomat. What is even better is that Condi is basicly one of if not the smartest woman on earth, and a exseptional forgein policy expert.
6. Signed the Partial Birth Abortion bill. While this was not a complete ban on abortions, it definatly was a step in the right direction.
7. Stopped federal funding on all embrionic stem cell reserch lines. For those of us who believe that by destroying those embryos is paramount to murder (just like abortion) this was wonderful news that our money was not going to support this.
8. Has not had "sex" with an intern. Morality of the president goes along way in my book. After 8 years of a adulturer in the Oval Office it is good to have a family man in there to "clense" the place.
9. Made ultimadums to the UN/ kept us out of the International Court. These two go hand in hand and i count them as one. First Bush basicly said to the UN to shape up or risk becoming useless (to late). and on the second point he kept us out of a Court that would be bias against America and seek to undermind America at all points.
10. Advocated Social Security Reform. Im sorry, but mathimaticly it is imposible that SS can last that much longer. As long as cost of living goes up, there is no way what grandma paid 60 years ago, can support her today. It just is not mathamaticly possible.
You said ten right....no more? aww..
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:50:47 AM
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haldir
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Soblessed why are you quoting articles that are over 6 months old concerning the National Economy??? Anything that old is no longer valid as the state of the National Economy has changed during the time those articles were published. Try looking for something more recent.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 11:17:45 AM
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Thank you, Stephanos!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 2:35:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: haldir
Soblessed why are you quoting articles that are over 6 months old concerning the National Economy??? Anything that old is no longer valid as the state of the National Economy has changed during the time those articles were published. Try looking for something more recent.
Ok, here you go! http://dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/archived/0508update.html
National Update
August 2005
Nation Holds Steady at Midyear
Christine Rowlette and Raghav Virmani review recent economic conditions in the United States.
The U.S. economy posted stable growth during the first half of 2005. Continued job growth, controlled inflation levels and modest output growth have set the stage for further economic stability in the second half of the year.
Employment Gains Steady
U.S. job growth remained steady, with total nonfarm payrolls adding another 207,000 jobs in July. So far this year, the economy has added over 1.3 million jobs. June proved a landmark month for the economy as total private employment surpassed its prerecession peak for the first time (Chart 1). (you can call lousy,service,minimum-wage jobs with which no one can support a family "GROWTH" if you want to)!
No Pickup in Consumer Price Inflation
Core (excluding food and energy) PCE inflation remained calm in June. The 12-month core inflation rate has held steady between 1.9 and 2.2 percent throughout the first half of 2005. Trimmed mean PCE inflation, an alternative measure of core inflation developed by economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, has also held steady at about 0.2 percentage points higher than core PCE inflation (Chart 2). Long-term inflation expectations continue to hover around levels seen over the first half of the year; the median Michigan 5- to 10-year expectation is at 2.9 percent, while that measured by the 10–year TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities) spread remains slightly lower at 2.3 percent.
Little Wage Pressure, Little Pricing Power
Average hourly earnings grew 2.7 percent in the 12 months through June, while the PCE price index grew at 2.2 percent. Barring June, these growth rates have moved together and have remained relatively close throughout the first half of 2005. Because neither average hourly earnings nor the PCE price index has risen or fallen considerably relative to the other, growth of real hourly earnings has been close to zero this year. This suggests that, for the time being, workers have very little “pricing power” (Chart 3). Let's see growth ZERO,THIS YEAR!
And here we go- Bush’s $10 Trillion Borrowing Binge: An Update
... his tax cuts, with the lousy economy responsible for most of the ... Outlay Projections Under Bush Policies $-trillion Deficits Cost ... kept up with economy 2005 GDP-adjusted $-billions 2001 2004 2005 ...
www.ctj.org/pdf/bush0105.pdf Cached page PDF file
< Message edited by soblessed53 -- 8/25/2005 2:51:28 PM >
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