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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 4:22:36 PM  1 votes
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1. Instituted tax cuts for ALL Americans. Despite what the liberals lead you to believe the rich already have a unfair portion of the tax burden. The wealthest 5% of americans pay over 50% of the taxes in this country. So ofcourse if you cut everyone's taxes by 1% (not what happend but use a figure) then ofcourse the "rich" will get back more money, since they paid more in the begining. Add to this that by giving the "rich" some money back many of them can put that money into their companies thus creating more jobs.

Did you even see the federal deficit today? May be you should take a look again!

2. Went after and crippled the Talaban/Al Queda. IF we look back since 1992 AQ attacked us at the 93 WTC bombings, the African Embacy bombings, and the USS Cole. Finaly in 2001 they attacked and took down the WTC. Under Clinton we did nothing and AQ attacked us harder. Under Bush we did something, and AQ has not been as much a problem since.

Yea we did something. AQ is still attacking us. Not even 2 weeks ago he fired missal against US ship. And the Man himself ( Osama) still preaching and planning attack against US. Only thing we did in Afghanistan is remove extremist government and made that country the largest poppy field in the world!

3. Took out a evil man named Saddam. Anyone who thinks Iraqi's are better off under a man who gassed his own country men, and raped tortured and killed those who opposed him; then they are under the new leadership that is emerging is darn right stupid.

Is that why we went to war? To take out an evil man ? Gee , I must have been sleeping last 4 years. Because in my dream I saw it was WMD in Iraq which are going to kill us. But thanks for letting me know I was sleeping!

4. Kept us out of Kyoto. All this treaty was for was to destroy america. Saddly the worlds fastest growing industrial nation China, was not effected by this treaty. Does it not make sence to regulate them now, instead of wating? Unless ofcourse you dont care about China, and your aim is to attack america.

Doesn’t make any difference!

5. Appoint Condi Rice as Sec of State. What is the best thing you can do when you are fighting a people who believe that a woman's place is at home covered and basicly your proporty? Apoint a woman as your chief diplomat. What is even better is that Condi is basicly one of if not the smartest woman on earth, and a exseptional forgein policy expert.

I respect Dr. Rice very much. But interesting Bush can’t tolerate difference of opinion and that is why he removed Powel and put Rice in his position. So much so about his preaching about democracy and tolerance. By the way, my be you should read some foreign media and see that despite anti-Americanism around the world, everyone respected Sec. Powel. Removing him was another idiotic decision of Bush administration just like putting Bolton in UN.

6. Signed the Partial Birth Abortion bill. While this was not a complete ban on abortions, it definatly was a step in the right direction.

Yea this one is good. Agree!

7. Stopped federal funding on all embrionic stem cell reserch lines. For those of us who believe that by destroying those embryos is paramount to murder (just like abortion) this was wonderful news that our money was not going to support this.

Good! Agree!

8. Has not had "sex" with an intern. Morality of the president goes along way in my book. After 8 years of a adulturer in the Oval Office it is good to have a family man in there to "clense" the place.

Aha, so he didn’t have sex, but with his idiotic policy he is sending our man and woman to get slaughter, and also murder innocent people around the world. I guess as long as he doesn’t commit adult he is O.K with God. I forgot, we removed “ thou shall not kill” from ten commandments.

9. Made ultimadums to the UN/ kept us out of the International Court. These two go hand in hand and i count them as one. First Bush basicly said to the UN to shape up or risk becoming useless (to late). and on the second point he kept us out of a Court that would be bias against America and seek to undermind America at all points.

Why is Bush afraid to be part of International court if he is so righteous? You sending 200K American men and women to remove an “evil man” from power all the way to tigress river, in the name of preaching “ democracy” but you don’t want to be accountable to any one?

10. Advocated Social Security Reform. Im sorry, but mathimaticly it is imposible that SS can last that much longer. As long as cost of living goes up, there is no way what grandma paid 60 years ago, can support her today. It just is not mathamaticly possible.

You know I agree SS is a mass. There is no Solution. No one wants to touch that issue. I do admire that at least Bush has the courage to fix the problem. But knowing what bush did past 5 years, I can see he is gona destroy whatever left of SS.

You said ten right....no more? aww..


All I am gona say about him, he is one fake Christian who fooled us all. Even I was fooled in 2000 by his “ I have morel conviction” speech.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 4:38:36 PM  1 votes
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6. Signed the Partial Birth Abortion bill. While this was not a complete ban on abortions, it definatly was a step in the right direction.

Yea this one is good. Agree!


Frankly, I don't think this one counts. Bush signed it, but it's been hung up in the courts ever since and has never gone into effect. Three appeals court justices have ruled against it (including one appointed by Dubya's dad), because it specifically goes against the Supreme Court's ruling on what limitations on abortion procedures must recognize in terms of women's health. This one will never go into effect, and the legislators who wrote it KNEW it never would. They just wanted something to take back to their constituents to say, "hey, we tried", when they knew perfectly well how to write better legislation.

So count that one, if empty gestures matter to you.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:06:42 PM   
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Frankly, I don't think this one counts. Bush signed it, but it's been hung up in the courts ever since and has never gone into effect. Three appeals court justices have ruled against it (including one appointed by Dubya's dad), because it specifically goes against the Supreme Court's ruling on what limitations on abortion procedures must recognize in terms of women's health. This one will never go into effect, and the legislators who wrote it KNEW it never would. They just wanted something to take back to their constituents to say, "hey, we tried", when they knew perfectly well how to write better legislation.

So count that one, if empty gestures matter to you.


Please. "Better legislation" as concerns the abortion in the parlance of the left means "that which doesn't restrict abortion in any descernable manner".

Plus, he further established his efforts here by appointing Judge Roberts.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:09:31 PM   
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All I am gona say about him, he is one fake Christian who fooled us all. Even I was fooled in 2000 by his “ I have morel conviction” speech.


Well, we can at least be thankful that's all you're 'gona' say about him.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:35:04 PM   
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"Better legislation" as concerns the abortion in the parlance of the left means "that which doesn't restrict abortion in any descernable manner".


That may be; I was using it in the sense of legislation that would hold up and have a chance of being put into effect. I am cynical enough to think the legislators never intended that it should.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:36:44 PM   
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That may be; I was using it in the sense of legislation that would hold up and have a chance of being put into effect. I am cynical enough to think the legislators never intended that it should.


Yes, cynical indeed.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:37:23 PM   
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Seems to me this thread is nothing but a nasty trap! The original OP makes it sound like a thread for Bush non-supporters to come and vent,but all that has happened here if those of us who do not support Bush have had everthing we have posted ridiculed,irregardless of the support for our stance/beliefs. Anyone else feel like we've(non-supporters) been AMBUSHED?
I ask you what did the OP make you think this thread would be like? [/quote<<

I'm certain Bush was holding a gun to Fritz's head when he created this horrible nasty trap!

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:39:17 PM   
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Yes, cynical indeed.


You don't live in Washington as long as I have, and work on the Hill like I have, without seeing how it's done.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:41:33 PM   
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>>I don't see any difference between what Bush did, and running of to Canada or England. The difference is that the people ran off to Canada had to take more drastic measures, because mommy and daddy had no connections to protect them.<<

Speaking of cowards.... I would l-o-v-e to see you make this statement in front of a Guard Unit.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 5:42:00 PM   
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You don't live in Washington as long as I have, and work on the Hill like I have, without seeing how it's done.


I spent some time working in Washington, and worked with a number of politicians; compromises happen, but there are plenty of sincere people there.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 8:47:32 PM   
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Most Livable Countries: UN Human Development Index, 2004

The Human Development Index (HDI), published annually by the UN, ranks nations according to their citizens' quality of life rather than strictly by a nation's traditional economic figures. The criteria for calculating rankings include life expectancy, educational attainment, and adjusted real income.

“Most Livable” Countries, 2004
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland

QUESTION - How can the richest, most powerful nation in the world rank only 8th in terms of quality of life?

ANSWER - Iceland doesn't have George Bush!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 9:26:27 PM   
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Interesting that a lot of those above the US are liberal-leaning nations.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:05:37 PM   
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Interesting how the poll was done by liberal leaning thinkers.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:09:47 PM   
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Yep...very interesting...

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:16:27 PM   
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QUESTION - How can the richest, most powerful nation in the world rank only 8th in terms of quality of life?


Well, the 'richest most powerful nation' actually has a worthwhile military, a population bigger than all those other nations put together, and bears the burden of millions each year who desperately want to reach her shores, that's how.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:34:34 PM   
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Interesting how the poll was done by liberal leaning thinkers.

Show me a similar poll that the "right leaning" thinkers (oxymoron) have done so I can dismiss it!

The problem is that most of the "civilized world" is liberal leaning by Republican standards.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2005 10:46:16 PM   
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The problem is that most of the "civilized world" is liberal leaning by Republican standards.


Actually, most of the world is much more than liberal leaning by any standards; especially considering one of the largest nations in the world is overtly communist.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 12:33:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jgarden

Most Livable Countries: UN Human Development Index, 2004

The Human Development Index (HDI), published annually by the UN, ranks nations according to their citizens' quality of life rather than strictly by a nation's traditional economic figures. The criteria for calculating rankings include life expectancy, educational attainment, and adjusted real income.

“Most Livable” Countries, 2004
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland

QUESTION - How can the richest, most powerful nation in the world rank only 8th in terms of quality of life?

ANSWER - Iceland doesn't have George Bush!


In the last couple of decades, how many millions of dirt poor immigrants have flocked into the top 7 countries from bordering third-world nations?

I think that a more appropriate answer to your question would be "Iceland doesn't have a Mexico".
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 12:29:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jgarden
"right leaning" thinkers (oxymoron)


Why do I feel persecuted today?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 2:01:28 PM   
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tensparks
Speaking of cowards.... I would l-o-v-e to see you make this statement in front of a Guard Unit.


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ORIGINAL: Stephnos
Interesting how the poll was done by liberal leaning thinkers.



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Flojpt:Why do I feel persecuted today?


QUESTION - What do these characteristics describe?
1. unreasonable
2. distrustful
3. very suspicious
4. persecution complex
5. common among right wing coservatives

ANSWER - paranoid

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 2:09:01 PM   
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I say we cange paranoid to BIG TEETH and KICK BUTT. When the liberals whine to stop the war and bring the troops home, I says we send more and knock the insurgents teeth out! Maybe that's what Bush is doing.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 8:53:16 PM   
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I say we cange paranoid to BIG TEETH and KICK BUTT. When the liberals whine to stop the war and bring the troops home, I says we send more and knock the insurgents teeth out! Maybe that's what Bush is doing.


The following Vietnam War Statistics showed what happened when the military "sent more and knock the insurgent's teeth out." Also notice the negligable contribution of the National Guard which made it an attractive choice. When all was said and done, the US evacuated its troops and North Vietnam was successful in conquering the South. All those casualties were for nothing.

Peak troop strength in Vietnam was 543,482, on 30 April 1969.

Nation Guard - 6 140 served, 101 killed (0.00173%)

Overall - Hostile deaths: 47,359

Total: 58,156 (including men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez
casualties).

Wounded In Action: 303,704

Severely disabled: 75,000, 23,214 were classified 100% disabled.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2005 10:36:21 PM   
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The following Vietnam War Statistics showed what happened when the military "sent more and knock the insurgent's teeth out." Also notice the negligable contribution of the National Guard which made it an attractive choice. When all was said and done, the US evacuated its troops and North Vietnam was successful in conquering the South. All those casualties were for nothing.


Yes, this was the victory of the American left.

Iraq isn't Vietnam. There is no popular upraising, the insurgents don't control the north, or the south, or any significant portion of Iraq. They don't have a standing army. We aren't bogged down with low moral troops, or massive opposition to the war (the anemic left-wing opposition doesn't count).

Iraq simply isn't Vietnam except in the minds of those who desperately want it to be.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2005 8:37:39 PM   
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With all due respect, the "anemic left-wing opposition" is simply exercising its 1st Ammendment Rights. By "gagging" this opposition during the Vietnam War, America may have won the war but lost one its most fundamental rights that separate it from 99% of the world.

In 2004, GWB was re-elected because he received the majority of the votes. Now the majority of Americans polled, as was the case in Vietnam, are opposed to the war. It would appear that Republicans are only interested in the "will" of the people when it suits their purposes and picks "scapegoats" when it doesn't. That may be good politics, but morally repugnant.

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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2005 11:06:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jhud

Iraq isn't Vietnam. There is no popular upraising, the insurgents don't control the north, or the south, or any significant portion of Iraq. They don't have a standing army. We aren't bogged down with low moral troops, or massive opposition to the war (the anemic left-wing opposition doesn't count).

Iraq simply isn't Vietnam except in the minds of those who desperately want it to be.


Iraq is probably more analogous to the 1954-1962 French Algerian War.
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