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RE: Godmen - 4/6/2007 10:50:45 AM
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notmycity
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Can anyone please show me in God’s Word where the “GodMen” movement is Scripturally sound doctrine?
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RE: Godmen - 4/6/2007 11:11:32 AM
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The overall message is pretty much don't be ashamed of the Gospel and don't be afraid to stand up to the "friendly fire" of other Christians.
They really encouraged us to be supportive of one another. They shied away from the term "accountability partner" and encouraged all of us to look for a "guardian" that we could talk with about our struggles. Overall I think they were trying to let everyone know "you know that thing you deal with that you think no one else has to deal with, well they do." It's not the "He Man Woman Haters Club" it's been made out to be. And we didn't but a bone in our ear and dance around a campfire either.
Folksinger, what you say above is why I support things like Godmen and PK. They are a starting point to get men to begin to grow in Christ in an individual basis and to build up and equip each other. While I am supportive of movements such as this, I still find myself frustrated at how the fire is soon extinguished after men return home. I think there are many reasons for this. We all live busy lives and the "busyness" of life consumes us. We turn back to what we know, taking comfort in the familiar, instead of plugging in to the Word and allowing God to grow us into what He wants us to be.
I have also learned to dislike the term accoutability partner. At the same time, I have come to realize that, as men, we really need a small group of other men in our lives who have the courage to confront, to live with integrity and to require integrity of others. For five years I supervised a caseload of sex offenders. Part of the job required me to sit in and participate in sex offender treatment. SO treatment is not like AA or NA or single issue therapy. It's about addressing the thought life and where those thoughts come from. The model we use has me, as the PO, actively involved in the treatment process and holding the men accountable in the community. Correcting thinking errors when hearing a thought expressed that is leading a man down an unrighteous path. What the men in SO treatment are learning is very counter cultural. Many of them express great frustration that they are, in essence, being held to a different standard than others in the culture. All of the messages these men hear on the TV, the radio, in the magazines, on the billboards, etc., are telling them that they need to express their urges. Yet, it was the expression of these urges that brought them before the court that ordered them into SO treatment.
At the same time that I was holding offenders accountable, it occurred to me that I had no one holding me accountable. I had some good freinds that I could talk with about anything and everything, but if I wanted to, I could hide anything from anyone. When I was struggling with some things in life, the men I sought out were there, but they were not there. I found that most of these men were afraid to dig too deep. Digging that deep requires vulnerability and our culture teaches us not to become vulnerable because we'll get emotionally raped.
As a military man, I know I need a ranger buddy. It's tough to find one where I live. I know that God will bring a ranger buddy into my life. It's going to take individual men to trust God, take courage and live for Him whereever He places them in life. Godmen, like PK, is a great way to ignite passion for God in the souls of individual men and connect them to encourage and equip one another.
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RE: Godmen - 4/6/2007 12:52:10 PM
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zamdad,
I'm not such a fan of PK, but I don't have to be.
Your comment about "the fire going out" is something that aggravates me (not you).
Before Godmen I was excited (not because Godmen, because of God), after Godmen I am still excited. The thing that I do notice is that it seems like I'm the only one that remembers it.
I'm kinda "down and out" this week. I got let go from a job that I really wanted. I started two weeks ago. The job required an abundant amount of memorization. I would study till late in the evening, then get up at 5:30am spend time in a devotional and prayer then study some more before my job/training. We were given a "semifinal" exam and I didn't pass it. I failed it, not because I didn't study, I just couldn't submit all of those codes etc. to memory. I'm by no means dumb as a rock. Now I'm out of work. I still get up every morning and spend time with God, just as I have for quite a while now.
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Eldredge, defense of - 4/6/2007 1:29:53 PM
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what is PDL?
"Purpose Driven Life".
“Godmen” endorses heresy such as the writings of John Eldredge, and other such experiential teachings. It appears to be just another form of repackaged revisionism under the guise of truth.
If you want to know what it means to be a real man, start with the teachings of Jesus and the apostles in the Bible and then read the accounts of godly men in the OT.
Ps 119:9
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
John Eldredge is heretical? I must disagree. I am open to your proof.
Again, this link provides a good synopsis: http://www.ccwonline.org/wild2.html
Ok, I went to the link. The link is a review of Wild At Heart. The author of the review is Daryl Wingerd. I have to disagree with the review. Wingerd starts by criticizing Eldredge's interpretation of Proverbs 20:5. I went to my NIV Bible and came up with a similar interpretation to Eldredge, not Wingerd, where the HEART is the subject of this proverb, not COUNSEL, like Wingerd states.
Wingerd then starts an analysis of Luke 8, 26-33. I read the NIV and TNIV versions, and I can not agree with Wingerd. As for claiming Eldredge is a humanist, I have to wonder thru what colored lens he read the book.
I have read several of Eldredge's books - Epic, Wild At Heart, The Way of The Wild Heart, and Waking of The Dead. I have not found any humanism in his works.
Here are some quotes -
All we have has been given to us as a gift from God… we remember this and pray that all our dealings with people, whether they be for us or against us, would be marked by genuine humility, love, and forgiveness.
We are a message-centered ministry. That message is about the restoration of the heart--walking with God, from a ransomed heart, in the Larger Story as men and women.
Heavenly Father, thank you for loving me and choosing me before you made the world[3]. You are my true Father--my Creator, my Redeemer, my Sustainer, and the true end of all things, including my life. I love you, I trust you, I worship you. Thank you for proving your love for me by sending your only Son, Jesus, to be my substitute and representative
Is it coincidence that PK, Eldredge and Irwin McMannus all came out with very similar messages at about the same time? No! I believe it was spirit led.
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RE: Eldredge, defense of - 4/6/2007 2:12:05 PM
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Is it coincidence that PK, Eldredge and Irwin McMannus all came out with very similar messages at about the same time? No! I believe it was spirit led.
Same spirit? Agree and very good point, but of what spirit?
II Th 2:1-11
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
We believe we have started to witness the coming of the “strong delusion”.
Question: Ever see a counterfeit three-dollar bill? Of course not. If you want to create something counterfeit you make it resemble the “real thing”, do you not?
Satan has been counterfeiting Christianity ever since the first century.
2 Tim 3:12-13
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Godmen - 4/6/2007 4:23:28 PM
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zamdad,
I'm not such a fan of PK, but I don't have to be.
I think when this thread began I posted about my disappointment in PK. I think it began as a very good thing, but as it has grown, it has become a victim of its own success. While I support Godmen, my fear is that it too will go the direction of PK when the bottom line begins to look more toward the almighty dollar than the Almighty Lord. Hopefully, prayerfully, this will not happen. I think this happens with a lot of ministries when program becomes more importnat than relationship.
Sorry to hear about your job situation. As cliche as it may sound, God uses these things for His purposes. I'll be praying you sense His peace.
He's taking me through a similar journey right now. I did some schooling in the past year for a possible career change. He led me through some turbulent times during the past year and I felt like their was no way this career change was going to take place. At the present time I wrestle with remaining where I am for the sense of earthly security or taking a leap of faith. I wrestle with, is it my voice or God's calling that is pulling me?
So, hang in there, my friend. You're prayed for.
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RE: Godmen - 4/6/2007 6:53:15 PM
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Thanks zamdad,
The prayer isn't only appreciated, it's what we're called to do for one another.
As far as the PK and Godmen flame, it's not up to either of them to keep the fire lit. In my opinion it's up to us to keep our eyes on God so our flame will burn heartily. (I shouldn't be a fan of Godmen, I should be encouraged by Godmen, kinda like going to church).
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RE: Eldredge, defense of - 4/6/2007 10:36:20 PM
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Is it coincidence that PK, Eldredge and Irwin McMannus all came out with very similar messages at about the same time? No! I believe it was spirit led.
Same spirit? Agree and very good point, but of what spirit?
That is my point. I do not believe these are Satanic influences in the church (as body of Christ).
These are wake-up calls to men to get moving! Get going! Wake-up! Reliance on God is stressed in these messages, not reliance on self.
I will say this: If these movements, which I have been involved in to some extent, are demonic, then Christendom is in a sad, sad state. So many men have prayed about this BEFORE getting involved. They have researched what is said to make sure it is biblical. Can they all be deceived? Our church is very involved in these messages. Some members actually left because of them. Our pastors - men who have walked with God for most of their adult lives - have prayed about them and tested them before bringing them into the church. To deceive that many men with good hearts, it just does not seem possible. Add to this that I was involved in meditation, self-help and occult activities prior to my salvation, I feel I know their signs when I see them.
Then there is this from Matthew 7 -
True and False Prophets
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
And I do not see any thorns or bad fruit from Eldredge.
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RE: Godmen - 4/7/2007 7:52:06 AM
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Thanks zamdad,
The prayer isn't only appreciated, it's what we're called to do for one another.
As far as the PK and Godmen flame, it's not up to either of them to keep the fire lit. In my opinion it's up to us to keep our eyes on God so our flame will burn heartily. (I shouldn't be a fan of Godmen, I should be encouraged by Godmen, kinda like going to church).
FolkSingerBlues,
Sorry to hear about your dissappointment. We stand alongside you, shield-to-shield. One of my favorite movies is "Its a Wonderful Life". Right in the beginning...
FRANKLIN'S VOICE: Joseph, send for Clarence.
A small star flies in from left of screen and stops. It twinkles as Clarence speaks:
CLARENCE'S VOICE: You sent for me, sir?
FRANKLIN'S VOICE: Yes, Clarence. A man down on earth needs our help.
CLARENCE'S VOICE: Splendid! Is he sick?
FRANKLIN'S VOICE: No, worse. He's discouraged.
To me this brief exchange was always very powerful. We cannot allow the whisperings and machinations of The Enemy discourage us.
Side note, ever read The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis...good read (still working it myself).
I look forward to the Oct event.
De profundis clamo ad te domine.
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RE: Godmen - 4/7/2007 8:45:47 AM
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I LOVE the Screwtape Letters!
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RE: Godmen - 4/9/2007 1:50:07 PM
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Can anyone please show me in God’s Word where the “GodMen” movement is Scripturally sound doctrine?
notmycity, forgive me for the lapse on my response to this. I was really trying to seek out your point Biblically. While in that process I began to think about something closely related. Our churches are totally unbiblical. We build buildings to meet and worship in when Paul clearly stated that God isn't in buildings made by man (Acts 17:24). I also was led to thinking about the "Fellowship of the Believers" that is recorded in Acts 2:42-47. Some of it we do, some of it we don't. They were meeting in the temple courts. (I may add that Godmen RENTS a space for their event, seems pretty Biblical in that light).
It seems like that I've found more bullets to shoot at our churches than at Godmen when I was encouraged think and study on. I also thought about all of the different people there, we weren't all from the same "denomination" for that day we were united. The bible quite clearly speaks of unity, especially in Corinthians, not to mention that Jesus himself prayed for unity.
If we're going to throw Godmen out the window because it's so unbiblical, maybe we should consider a lot of other things we do that are traditional, not Biblical.
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RE: Godmen - 4/10/2007 11:05:48 AM
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Thanks FSB,
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.... Our churches are totally unbiblical. We build buildings to meet and worship in when Paul clearly stated that God isn't in buildings made by man (Acts 17:24). I also was led to thinking about the "Fellowship of the Believers" that is recorded in Acts 2:42-47. Some of it we do, some of it we don't. They were meeting in the temple courts. (I may add that Godmen RENTS a space for their event, seems pretty Biblical in that light).
Agreed and amen.
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.....It seems like that I've found more bullets to shoot at our churches....
While I wouldn’t phrase it like that, suffice it to say that we’ve found most “churches” to be doctrinally unsound for a multitude of reasons, including some you had mentioned.
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....I also thought about all of the different people there, we weren't all from the same "denomination" for that day we were united. The bible quite clearly speaks of unity, especially in Corinthians, not to mention that Jesus himself prayed for unity......
You’re absolutely right in that divisions are carnal according to Scripture. Jesus did pray for ONENESS amongst His followers, and He also prayed in the very same prayer “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth (John 17:17). Oneness cannot be had without agreeing on God’s truth via His word.
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If we're going to throw Godmen out the window because it's so unbiblical, maybe we should consider a lot of other things we do that are traditional, not Biblical.
You were right to point out the problem of denominationalism. GodMen is just another manifestation of: “I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas...” (1 Cor 1:12)
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Godmen - 4/10/2007 4:34:49 PM
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You were right to point out the problem of denominationalism. GodMen is just another manifestation of: “I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas...” (1 Cor 1:12)
Brad Stine, Paul Coughlin etc aren't starting a "new church". Think of it as a pep rally for Jesus attended by men.
Although I don't remember finding "pep rally" in my Bible, come to think of it I can't find "bologna and cheese". I suppose I should cut my diet to nuts, berries and seeds.
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RE: Godmen - 4/11/2007 2:58:26 PM
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You were right to point out the problem of denominationalism. GodMen is just another manifestation of: “I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas...” (1 Cor 1:12)
Brad Stine, Paul Coughlin etc aren't starting a "new church". Think of it as a pep rally for Jesus attended by men.
Although I don't remember finding "pep rally" in my Bible, come to think of it I can't find "bologna and cheese". I suppose I should cut my diet to nuts, berries and seeds.
The point was/is on the mindset behind the movement as being exactly the same as “I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas...” (1 Cor 1:12)
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Godmen - 4/15/2007 1:29:34 AM
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You were right to point out the problem of denominationalism. GodMen is just another manifestation of: “I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas...” (1 Cor 1:12)
Brad Stine, Paul Coughlin etc aren't starting a "new church". Think of it as a pep rally for Jesus attended by men.
Although I don't remember finding "pep rally" in my Bible, come to think of it I can't find "bologna and cheese". I suppose I should cut my diet to nuts, berries and seeds.
You will not find nice, either!
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RE: Godmen - 4/15/2007 6:42:46 AM
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You will not find nice, either! - Draexo.
Please explain.
Thanks.
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RE: Godmen - 4/15/2007 10:49:08 PM
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Explain to us notmycity,
what is your spin of Jesus assaulting people in the temple with a whip while driving them out of the temple.
That certainly wasn't the "pushover" Jesus that is discussed in Sunday schools on Sunday morning.
Nor do I think the it means Jesus expects us to use force in everything we do.
I am interested in hearing the spin you put on that event
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RE: Godmen - 4/17/2007 11:42:43 AM
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Explain to us notmycity,
what is your spin of Jesus assaulting people in the temple with a whip while driving them out of the temple.
That certainly wasn't the "pushover" Jesus that is discussed in Sunday schools on Sunday morning.
No “spin” required. 
“Gentle Jesus meek and mild....” Ever hear that one? That describes an effeminate Jesus to me.
Let’s look at the account, shall we:
John 2:12-17
12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Those who preach an effeminate Jesus typically avoid this passage or at very least they discount it. Let’s look at another:
Matt 11:29
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
(KJV)
Another translation says:
Matt 11:29
29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
(NKJ)
Jesus Himself said He was meek, and yet this same Jesus tossed tables, whipped people and I can also see Him being quite loud.
To us this clearly indicates a severe misunderstanding of meekness by the effeminate preachers.
Look again at how Christ blasted the pharisees:
Matt 23:14-33
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
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Jesus loved that pharisees (John 3:16), so how do the effeminate reconcile the above with a Jesus of love? They can’t because God’s love is at times SEVERE. Severe to the point of the cross.
Follow me so far?
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Godmen - 4/17/2007 1:24:21 PM
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God will do what it takes to clear His temple of anything not within His will. Beware of things you allow into His temple... your heart, because He will clear it out. And it hurts alot. I can look back and smile but you have to learn to live with the pain of many scars that are left on you by the trimming away the world that occurs. God is the author of war... He knows every way to wage it and the exact tactic it will require to free you. So, as we build our defenses His plan is unleashed upon the walls of our stronholds. Who can stand before God. none. His victory is secure in your heart because His Spirit is already within... a secret agent that will thwart the defenses of the world within you. And once the territory He has claimed within you is large enough to outweigh the darkness you let in... Then the voice of the Spirit will be clear because the light shines on the land and the peace leaves the air open for you to hear. Beware of thinking your flesh is secure, darkness hides in the corners of the land of your heart and you must be rdy to ride to step to battle every day to keep your borders safe and to prevent insurgency to your heart.
Not really where I intended to go but I guess this comment will work... lol, amazing what happens sometimes when you just let it roll out of you. God's peace be with you!
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RE: Godmen - 4/17/2007 11:12:02 PM
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notmycity,
I think you have more in common with the focus of Godmen than you think.
I am learning a bit about you in all of these posts and it sounds like you're just skeptical of these types of "clubs". We have that in common.
Be well.
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Proof texting is a very dangerous thing...If we were given the Scriptures it was to humble us into realizing God is right and the rest of us are just guessing.
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RE: Godmen - 4/18/2007 9:21:52 AM
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draexo
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quote:
ORIGINAL: TheCleric
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You will not find nice, either! - Draexo.
Please explain.
Thanks.
De profundis clamo ad te domine.
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Many churches hold men to the standard of being a nice guy. But nice is not a word found in the bible. There is more to following the Lord Jesus than being nice. We were not given the Great Commission of niceness. This fits with Godmen, or PK, or any of those organizations or ministries that are currently attempting to revitalize the male spirit of the church. Sure, be nice, be pleasant, but that is not our mission.
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RE: Godmen - 4/18/2007 10:48:05 AM
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notmycity
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ORIGINAL: FolkSingerBlues
notmycity,
I think you have more in common with the focus of Godmen than you think.
I am learning a bit about you in all of these posts and it sounds like you're just skeptical of these types of "clubs". We have that in common.
Be well.
FSB,
Scripture teaches any divisions as bing carnal and outside the will of God.
I do however fully agree with the ever increasing effeminate nature of Christendom under the guise of “the church”. Current “church” practices, when held to the light of Scripture alone are shown to be increasingly flaccid and anemic.
Is there a need for godly men to step up? You betcha! Do these godly men need a “club” to do so? Scripture says not.
No disrespect against you or anyone else. Just firm Biblical conviction.
Thanks again.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
and..
"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Godmen - 4/18/2007 6:04:54 PM
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FolkSingerBlues
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notmycity,
no disrespect taken.
On one hand I think it's pathetic that a rally needs to take place. On the other I feel like it's time to wake up a bunch of complacent Christians.
I don't need the "club" either. The passion it takes to follow Christ can't be synthesized.
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Proof texting is a very dangerous thing...If we were given the Scriptures it was to humble us into realizing God is right and the rest of us are just guessing.
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RE: Godmen - 4/19/2007 3:04:49 PM
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notmycity
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ORIGINAL: FolkSingerBlues
notmycity,
no disrespect taken.
On one hand I think it's pathetic that a rally needs to take place. On the other I feel like it's time to wake up a bunch of complacent Christians.
I don't need the "club" either. The passion it takes to follow Christ can't be synthesized.
FSB,
I COMPLETELY agree with you in that “it's time to wake up a bunch of complacent Christians”, especially the men!
Where we need to exercise extreme caution is continually ask ourselves is this:
“Is this of God according to the truth of Scripture, or according to traditions of men?”
Take heart Brother. I know of godly, strong men who are being risen up by God in these last days, but please consider this: If it’s popular, it more than likely is of the flesh....
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
and..
"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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