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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 1:30:50 AM
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I respect your view that all preachers and believers should be poor while the wicked and evil prosper.
I didn't say that.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 7:02:59 AM
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...it seems as though this thread is not about friendly discussion, but more about how many negative things you can find out on the Internet to post.
I've noticed that. In several places here, I've noticed that if I take up for people that are widely not accepted in the thread, I'm told that I don't know the scriptures, or that I've not studied them, etc. Oy.
The previous post asked for scriptures... Here are a few to think about.
1Chronicles 29:11,12-"Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, O Lord, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all. Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all."If God gives wealth, who does He give it to? The wicked? I would have to ask for scripture to support that. Good luck on finding it.
Psalm 112:2,3-" Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever."Here's another scripture that shows (me at least) that a righteous man (and I hope this would apply to preachers) will be blessed. Remember though that the blessing has to be freely accepted as it is freely given.
Proverbs 4:4-"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth."Okay, this one is not specifically about preachers, but it is a good reminder that the only place in the world where success comes before work is the dictionary. But it is God that blesses the work making it successful.
Proverbs 13:22-"A good man leaves an inheritance for his children's children, but a sinner's wealth is stored up for the righteous."This goes back to my previous post asking about wicked being rich while God's ambassadors (which is what preachers are) remain poor. I just don't see the sense in the idea myself.
Ecclesiastes 5:19-"Moreover, when God gives any man wealth and possessions, and enables him to enjoy them, to accept his lot and be happy in his work--this is a gift of God."So it is a gift of God to give a man wealth so he can be happy in his work. I ask again, who is the recipient of this? The wicked? I don't think so.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 8:38:02 AM
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How is that disparaging him as a person or presenting propaganda? There's lots of rumors floating around about him and his church, like his "name change", the W2 submission to his church, etc. I did him a service by proving those rumors false by finding the actual facts on his website. Now, unless he's lying, which he very well could be, since we've already proven he teaches heretical doctrine, I would say that the information on his website is factual. I wasn't presenting propaganda or disparaging him. I was just showing that his name really is Creflo Dollar (ironically).
Sorry I misunderstood your reasons for posting information from Dollar's church. Given the tone of this thread I just assumed you were presenting it as Dollar's propaganda and not as factual. I apologize. My mistake. 
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 9:29:47 AM
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Prosperity and blessings. Whew, what a conversation you all are having. I'm not too familar with Pastor Dollar and I would have to look into his sermons to decide if I would listen to him or not, but I do believe in the prosperity of us His servants.
Here's a story for you. My pastor had a motorcycle. He loved it and rode it everywhere. Not a big fancy one, and I'm sure he didn't really "need" it. But he enjoyed it. One day the Lord told him to give it to someone. He did not know the person, but God showed him who was to have it. What a point of obedience. He gave the guy the motorcycle. Two weeks later a man came to his church with the mission of giving my pastor a new motorcycle. This man was a stranger to him. This "new" bike is big and fancy.
Where is the sin? Nowhere. This is a story of obedience with a monetary blessing as a reward.
Like I said, I really don't know anything about Pastor Dollar, but I do warn all of us that there could be logs in our eyes. selah
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 10:08:46 AM
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Here's a story for you. My pastor had a motorcycle. He loved it and rode it everywhere. Not a big fancy one, and I'm sure he didn't really "need" it. But he enjoyed it. One day the Lord told him to give it to someone. He did not know the person, but God showed him who was to have it. What a point of obedience. He gave the guy the motorcycle. Two weeks later a man came to his church with the mission of giving my pastor a new motorcycle. This man was a stranger to him. This "new" bike is big and fancy. I'm sure there will be some (just wait for it. It'll happen.) that say it was all a coincidence. He just happened to give away a motorcycle right before he was given a new one. Some would go so far as to say he must have known someone was going to give him a motorcycle before he gave away his old one.  In that thinking there's no room for the miraculous, and that's a shame.quote:
Where is the sin? Nowhere. This is a story of obedience with a monetary blessing as a reward. Excellent point, but please remember that God decides how He will reward us. This doesn't rule out monetary blessings, but it opens the door to a vast array of other blessings. All are good because all come from our Heavenly Father.quote:
Like I said, I really don't know anything about Pastor Dollar, but I do warn all of us that there could be logs in our eyes. selah
You can always go to creflodollarministries.com if you're interested in finding out more. I have seen a few of his sermons, but I'm usually working when the show comes on. I know I don't agree with everything Creflo says, but that is true across the board. I have yet to find a preacher with whom I agree 100%. But then again, we will never learn anything if we only listen to people that say things we agree with will we? After all, we're not right all the time ourselves.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 11:20:53 AM
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I think I said that the point of this particular thread wasn't even to focus on Dollar's prosperity preaching as there is already a thread on prosperity preaching, even though that's part of it. What about his teachings that we are gods, and his denying the divinity of Jesus? He also says Jesus was rich. Thoughts?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 12:28:53 PM
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Haha, you can say that again!
What amazes me is that it's mostly believers who think all preachers should be poor, while they have no problems with porn stars, pimps, and women-degrading rap artists live in multimillion dollar houses, drive the best of cars, and wear $100K of jewelry at a time.
Do you think preachers are supposed to be rich, then? If so, provide Biblical support for it. Both Kat and I have provided Biblical support against Dollar's teachings, because you wouldn't go look up the scriptures yourself. Instead of taking up for Dollar without providing any proof, give us something to go on.
Zildjian, you practically begged us to show you scripturally where Dollar is in error and we took the time and made a special effort to accomodate you and you blow us off??? What's up with that?
Couldn't you, out of respect for us going out of our way to show you the truth, simply address what we presented?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 12:38:06 PM
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Like I said, I really don't know anything about Pastor Dollar, but I do warn all of us that there could be logs in our eyes. selah
You can always go to creflodollarministries.com if you're interested in finding out more.
Yes, and while you're at it, if you really want a complete picture of Dollar, be sure to also hit the many sites that expose him as a false teacher.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 12:39:56 PM
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The Scripture has a lot to say about the prosperity of the righteous, especially in the Old Testament. The New Testament when speaking of prosperity seems to emphasize "spiritual blessings" instead of financial. Also, it appears that both the Old and the New Testaments puts the emphasis on placing ultimate value on all that God is for us in Christ Jesus. What concerns me about those such as Mr. Dollar is the emphasis on attaining prosperity (which means to them financial and material prosperity) for self instead of using the material gain that God may bless us with to the spreading of the fame of His name. If we truly enjoy and value God above all things (including finances) then we will use them to for His glory; spreading His goodness through Christ Jesus. The world that see "Christians" who mass wealth for themselves by "operating in principles of the word of God" ultimately are not impressed, because these "Christians" seem to have the same values as they do. Those who see the ultimate value of Christ and use their finances in a sacrificial way in order to spread the fame of the Name of God for the joy of those who will listen, these the world will see as different. They will wonder why the sacrificial Christian would be willing to joyfully sacrifice what appears to world as being valuable, to help others. These sacrificial Christians will leave a witness of the gospel in the world that the "prosperity Christian" can never leave. Mr. Dollar appears to me to proclaim a selfish gospel that values God for what he can give to us that we really value instead of the Gospel that proclaims God Himself as the ultimate value.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 1:23:10 PM
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For anyone who wants to support Creflo Dollar, give him a pass, or take up with him, you will need to reconcile the following Biblically:
Creflo Dollar: "If Jesus came as God, then why did God have to anoint Him? Jesus came as a man, that’s why it was legal to anoint Him. God didn’t need anointing, He is anointing. Jesus came as a man and at age 30 God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and give us an example of what a man with the anointing can do."
The Bible: Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Luke 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; He is Christ the Lord.
This forum holds to the following statement of faith:
We believe that there is one God, eternally existing in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
We believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, sinless life, miracles, death on the cross to provide for our redemption, bodily resurrection and ascension into heaven, present ministry of intercession for us, and His return to earth in power and glory.
This site also holds to the Nicene Creed which states it this way:
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
According to Crosswalk's Terms of Service, no one's allowed to promote beliefs which are contrary to their statement of faith or the Nicene Creed here. Why? Because the creators of this forum also recognize what the standard of faith for Christianity is and isn't. Christian doctrine isn't a free-for-all of personal ideas and views.
Claiming that Jesus Christ came as a man but was perfected into Sonship at age 30 isn't Biblical Christianity. It's a cultic belief which falls way outside of the Christian faith, and Creflo Dollar's doctrine definitely goes against the standard of faith as confessed by this forum and Christianity at large.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 1:45:40 PM
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I think I said that the point of this particular thread wasn't even to focus on Dollar's prosperity preaching as there is already a thread on prosperity preaching, even though that's part of it. What about his teachings that we are gods, and his denying the divinity of Jesus? He also says Jesus was rich. Thoughts?
Having come out of a WOF/prosp. message church, I can answer your questions posted above.
1) Little gods. In view of being created in His image, it is taught that the Father created man to be His family. Attention is directed to creation verses such as Gen 1:12,21,24 & 25 where it is stated after His kind or after there kind...reproduction does not produce another "kind". A myriad of verses are used to construct and support this doctrine but the one that I used to unravel it when I finally came out from under this false teaching was Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. When I was first taught this, we were instructed to cross out the word angels and write in elohim because that is what is in the original Hebrew...which is true. It was suggested that the King James translaters were too uncomfortable with this thought so they changed it to angels. The big God/little god...Father/son doctrine is rooted here. What was not taught, that I later sought out on my own was that the LXXII translates it angelos as well as the author of the letter to the Hebrews, as well as goes on to state...Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
To become the kinsman redeemer, God was born a man and therefore made a little lower than the angels so that He could suffer death. How then could we be created superior to angels and receive debt paid in full by one lower than angels? Not to mention that in no way will I ever consider myself created higher than my Savior and Lord.
2)Denying the divinity of Jesus. This is in a way connected to #1. If Jesus was merely mortal as are we, than we can, through the power of the Holy Spirit do everything He did...and more, so they say. We are to possess the power (faith) of God through the Holy Spirit and to acts as gods here on earth...speaking things that be not as though they were.
3) Jesus was rich. Remember "We three kings of orient are" the fabled three kings seeking the Messiah we understand were Madgi and most likely more than three but three "gifts" are mentioned. In bringing gifts of gold, frankensence and myrr to honor the King it isn't unreasonable to consider that it may have been a small fortune. What became of it? Who knows. It gets pointed out that Jesus had need of a treasurer (Judas) and that He wore "designer" clothes...the garment woven without seam that the Roman soldiers cast lots for. Interpret that as you wish...
As for helping those who are caught in this deception...I don't know other than prayer. I know from my own experience that I would not listen to critics of this teaching when I was in it...they just could not understand what I knew...they had a poverty spirit.
What I do know is that this doctrine appeals to the flesh, greatly, regardless of how heavenly minded one may be. It makes sense...why should the wicked prosper and entice others into wickedness? Should not the Kings kids be able to act like the Kings kids?
But is this not worldly logic? Does not our Father say that His ways are not our ways? Does He not use the foolish things of this world to confound the wise?
I don't recall Christ telling the rich young ruler to sell all of his things and sow it into good ground...a ministry that is bringing forth much fruit. He said to give it to the poor...Which in the prosperity camp is a poor choice...giving to the poor is considered by God a loan to Him but sowing seed could bring about the hundred fold return...if sown into the right ground that is...
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 2:14:58 PM
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How do we help the people taken in by these people with humbleness, and not driving the victims of this away with agressiveness? Restoration being our mindset.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 2:30:29 PM
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Zildjian,
Dollar is someone that interests me.
A rich Jesus is an Americanized/Capitalistic Jesus.
We have made Jesus in to what we want him to be instead of allowing him to be who is IS.
You aren't going to change my mind about Creflo and OTHERS being complete shams preaching false doctrine and ideas. The reason you won't change my mind is not because I'm hard headed, it's because the Bible is the place that I come to realize that the message he and others preach is false.
So the issue at hand is this. Continue studying your Bible. If you have the Holy Ghost in you he will lead you in finding the deception behind their teachings. Creflo Dollar is NOT responsible for what you believe you are. He will be held responsible for any false doctrine he teaches. You will be held responsible for how much of it you follow.
I highly recommend you read the parable of the weeds in Matthew 13:24-30 and it's explanation in 13:36-43.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 2:57:19 PM
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How do we help the people taken in by these people with humbleness, and not driving the victims of this away with agressiveness? Restoration being our mindset.
I take issue with the word "victims" in that we, as Christians, are all given the charge to "15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2
Regarding your reference to "aggressiveness," sometimes we have to be agressive to get the attention of those who have been duped and lulled to sleep by teachers who are very aggressive in their teaching of false doctrine. 1 "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber" II peter 2
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 4:47:01 PM
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Hi lw9:
How is that denying the real Jesus Christ and teaching a false Christ? Isn't this doctrinal discrepancy on the same level as the belief that believers will live in heaven forever or the belief that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation?
For instance, if I were in Mr. Dollar's church and he gave a altar call and I repented of my sins and opened my heart to Jesus, was I not saved? (seeing as part of his altar call mentioned this discrepency) In other words, was repenting of my sins and now dedicating my life to live by the Holy Bible made null and void?
Could you explain that?
Also, what's wrong with Mr. Dollar teaching practical principles of prosperity? He's pastor, and certainly he wants to see that his congregation is not only spiritually fed, but also taught practical wisdom that the needs of a person as met.
"Name it, and claim it" isn't biblical, beneficial, or feasable as Mr. Dollar and many of his ilk teach it.
It (for lack of a better term) doesn't "work".
Many young Christians who cut their milk teeth on this crud grow disallusioned as soon as they hit a financial snag that can't be prayed away, and subsequently abandon their faith in both the bible and Christ.
That's what's wrong with it.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 4:50:54 PM
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Kat some are victims because, they are new to the faith, not that bright, mentally challenged, or mentally ill. I ment no offense with these words. I see cults Jw, asnd such prey upon the weak all the time. Some yes are victims. Agressivness is needed at times, but, your more likely to get others to listen if you are respectful. I guess it depends. I think the point is not being right but restoration. Agreed?
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How do we help the people taken in by these people with humbleness, and not driving the victims of this away with agressiveness? Restoration being our mindset.
I take issue with the word "victims" in that we, as Christians, are all given the charge to "15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2
Regarding your reference to "aggressiveness," sometimes we have to be agressive to get the attention of those who have been duped and lulled to sleep by teachers who are very aggressive in their teaching of false doctrine. 1 "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber" II peter 2
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 5:21:38 PM
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Many young Christians who cut their milk teeth on this crud grow disallusioned as soon as they hit a financial snag that can't be prayed away, and subsequently abandon their faith in both the bible and Christ.
That's what's wrong with it.
Are you saying that there is a situation (financial or otherwise) that is too tough for God? These "snags" as you called them aren't prayed away. They're left at the throne of grace for my Heavenly Father to handle. Maybe it's a lack of patience that causes people to abandon their faith. Maybe they're not praying in accordance with God's will. There are a lot of possible answers, and not all of them point to the person that walks away. But that also doesn't mean that we automatically point to the person giving a truth simply because we don't like it.
I'm sure by now you know which side of the teaching I stand on. And by the way, it works in His timing. I've been through a lot over the last two years. No job for quite a bit of it, having to find temporary work and doing odd jobs. But God's grace pulled me through.
I prayed for a business of my own. I open my new business on April 1. I prayed for new opportunities to witness. I meet new people every day and have heard, "There's something different about you" on more than one occasion.
To know that God wants to bless me more than I want to be blessed gives me courage. Not courage to "name it and claim it" and sit around waiting on God to drop money in my lap, but courage to stand on His promises that He will take care of me, and that He will give me the desires of my heart provided that He has my heart. The desire of my heart is (now that it is His) to tell everyone I can about His love. I'm not saying this to bring any attention to me, but to give an example of how God desires to bless someone that loves Him. He's our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants what's best for us.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 5:53:29 PM
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Kat some are victims because, they are new to the faith, not that bright, mentally challenged, or mentally ill. I ment no offense with these words. I see cults Jw, asnd such prey upon the weak all the time. Some yes are victims. Agressivness is needed at times, but, your more likely to get others to listen if you are respectful. I guess it depends. I think the point is not being right but restoration. Agreed?
While there may be a few that are mentally challenged or ill, I believe the majority who go for the teaching of people like Dollar do so because they fall into the itching ears category. Also I don't believe anyone in this thread has been disrespectful in their attempts to try and give the Truth to those who are deceived.
Here is what we are commanded by God to do when people have given in to false teaching:
2"Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." II Timothy 4
con·vince:
-to move by argument or evidence to belief, agreement, consent, or a course of action
re·buke:
-to express stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.
ex·hort
-to urge, advise, or caution earnestly; admonish urgently.
Yes, restoration is always the goal.
< Message edited by Kat_D -- 3/17/2007 6:20:08 PM >
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 6:03:27 PM
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brotherbrian
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Many young Christians who cut their milk teeth on this crud grow disallusioned as soon as they hit a financial snag that can't be prayed away, and subsequently abandon their faith in both the bible and Christ.
That's what's wrong with it.
Are you saying that there is a situation (financial or otherwise) that is too tough for God? These "snags" as you called them aren't prayed away. They're left at the throne of grace for my Heavenly Father to handle. Maybe it's a lack of patience that causes people to abandon their faith. Maybe they're not praying in accordance with God's will. There are a lot of possible answers, and not all of them point to the person that walks away. But that also doesn't mean that we automatically point to the person giving a truth simply because we don't like it.
I'm sure by now you know which side of the teaching I stand on. And by the way, it works in His timing. I've been through a lot over the last two years. No job for quite a bit of it, having to find temporary work and doing odd jobs. But God's grace pulled me through.
I prayed for a business of my own. I open my new business on April 1. I prayed for new opportunities to witness. I meet new people every day and have heard, "There's something different about you" on more than one occasion.
To know that God wants to bless me more than I want to be blessed gives me courage. Not courage to "name it and claim it" and sit around waiting on God to drop money in my lap, but courage to stand on His promises that He will take care of me, and that He will give me the desires of my heart provided that He has my heart. The desire of my heart is (now that it is His) to tell everyone I can about His love. I'm not saying this to bring any attention to me, but to give an example of how God desires to bless someone that loves Him. He's our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants what's best for us.
Did you see ANYTHING in my post that would lead you to believe I see God as limited in His ability to "fix" things?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 6:07:05 PM
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I apologize if my words were taken personally. I am not doubting your faith in God, nor am I intending to say that you believe God is limited. I only responded to the words as I read them. Once again I apologize for any misunderstanding.
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