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RE: calvin me wonderful - 5/8/2005 9:30:49 PM
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Dove,
When you start to feel a little more comfortable with the basics I would encourage you to read some of the earlier reformed thinkers like Spurgeon and Jonathon Edwards. The passion they wrote with was what really began my journey. It opened up a whole new view of the sovereignty of God for me. I began to see and worship God in a totally different, more satisfying way.
Unlike alot of people, I have never been really emotionally invested in the idea of free will so perhaps the change was a bit easier for me, but I can tell you that letting go of that idea was really life changing for me. It was so freeing and has made it so much easier to give things over to God.
Bless you and your quest for truth, wherever it leads.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/8/2005 10:10:12 PM
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Eutychus
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oddly enough Dr. George had come up in our discusion, as one of our number had spent some time under his tutalage at Beason. I was unaware he had actualy completed an alternate acrostic. Far be it from me to disagree, but I find his acrostic somewhat wanting, besides, TUPIP grows on you.
Dr. George is trying to reach out to SBC members who do not understand Reformed Theology or have received misinformation. There are a number of rabid anti-Calvinists within the SBC and, almost without exception, ignorantly think anyone holding to TULIP is a hyper-Calvinist. The SBC being very evangelistic, some people jump onboard any train that condemns a group within the convention as anti-evangelism.
So Dr. George is dealing with a different set of circumstances to a denomination that is firmly Reformed. He's not trying to dumb down anything, he is trying to reach those in the dark. I read his Amazing Grace and, rather than confrontational, it whet my appetite enough to buy his Theology of the Reformers which is much weightier and more thorough. The "bait" of his ROSES approach was attractive enough to get me to seek and read further.
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RE: calvin me wonderful - 5/8/2005 10:21:12 PM
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Doveflight
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Dove,
When you start to feel a little more comfortable with the basics I would encourage you to read some of the earlier reformed thinkers like Spurgeon and Jonathon Edwards. The passion they wrote with was what really began my journey. It opened up a whole new view of the sovereignty of God for me. I began to see and worship God in a totally different, more satisfying way.
Unlike alot of people, I have never been really emotionally invested in the idea of free will so perhaps the change was a bit easier for me, but I can tell you that letting go of that idea was really life changing for me. It was so freeing and has made it so much easier to give things over to God.
Bless you and your quest for truth, wherever it leads.
Thanks for the suggestion. I have downloaded a few of Jonathon Edwards after reading his biography and that of David Branerd last fall. I also picked up a copy of 'Sinners in the hands of an Angry God' this weekend. Haven't read any Spurgeon yet except for short excerpts.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/9/2005 5:58:20 PM
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DougHorton
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who walks around in everyday conversation using 'limited atonement' or 'commutative property of addition' anyway.
Sometimes I do -- But I always get thes blank looks. maybe because the people i work with are totally depraved.
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On another subject, I've been investigating a different translation of the Bible and have heard many recommend ESV. This weekend I found a Reformation Bible (ESV) with notes by Packer and Sproul. Are their advantages to having these comments immediately referenced in study from the reformed perspective for a novice in reformed thinking. I've always used KJV and NKJV.
My wife uses the ESV. It is good. I also enjoy the Reformation Study Bible in NKJV, which is popular in my church. The only gripe I have about it is that it is NOT in my favorite translation -- NAS.
BTW -- there is also a "Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible". But who would trust Reformation theology to Zondervan? Especially when it is published in the Neutered Irreverent Version?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/9/2005 6:06:55 PM
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DougHorton
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White Horse Inn which can be found at www.oneplace.com is also excellent.
White Horse Inn can also be found at http://whitehorseinn.org/ where they have additional resources.
You can either read or listen to a reading of Spurgeon's sermaons at http://www.mountzion.org/spurgeon.html
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/9/2005 11:24:54 PM
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Imagioday
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Dr. George is trying to reach out to SBC members who do not understand Reformed Theology or have received misinformation. There are a number of rabid anti-Calvinists within the SBC and, almost without exception, ignorantly think anyone holding to TULIP is a hyper-Calvinist. The SBC being very evangelistic, some people jump onboard any train that condemns a group within the convention as anti-evangelism.
So Dr. George is dealing with a different set of circumstances to a denomination that is firmly Reformed. He's not trying to dumb down anything, he is trying to reach those in the dark. I read his Amazing Grace and, rather than confrontational, it whet my appetite enough to buy his Theology of the Reformers which is much weightier and more thorough. The "bait" of his ROSES approach was attractive enough to get me to seek and read further.
Thats thuroughly intresting, I had no Idea that segments of the SBC would be strugling with that as much as you say. My intent was not at all to demean Dr. George, who's writing I greatly respect. I do see your point. It is a problem in all walks, false information about good doctrine.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/10/2005 12:26:08 PM
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Eutychus
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I first ran across rabid TULIP haters within the SBC at BaptistFire.com, a site I just stumbled across one day. If you look down the home page you will start getting an idea. They also have a forum there, which I've never joined, only looked around. I found the following from a thread by the BF webmaster:
In recent days we've had numerous Calvinists post their theology on BaptistFire community. Then after we delete their postings they get upset with us. The rules are very clear -- postings which promote five-point Calvinist theology are not permitted. Occasionally something will slip by but that's the exception, not the rule. So take note. If you are looking for a debate with a five-pointer this is not the place to be. Thanks.
The BaptistFire Community forum exists as a safe haven for Bible-believing Baptists who are largely in agreement with us theologically. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to determine what we believe. Our masthead on the main page spells it out. If that isn't clear enough our featured sermons, book reviews, and the rest should clear up any doubt.
As rough as things might get on CW, I haven't run across anything like that officially condemning posting a POV on the Doctrines of Grace. In fact, their webmaster would be more likely to get the boot here than any 5 Pointer.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/10/2005 2:42:56 PM
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Doveflight
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who walks around in everyday conversation using 'limited atonement' or 'commutative property of addition' anyway.
Sometimes I do -- But I always get thes blank looks. maybe because the people i work with are totally depraved.
No offense intended, Doug. I just think it is clumsy to be speaking in explicit terminilogy in informal conversations. My first experience with CW required a dictionary in one hand to understand everyone's classification for each other. I still fumble the ball at times and must stop and think "now what did they mean by that word".
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My wife uses the ESV. It is good. I also enjoy the Reformation Study Bible in NKJV, which is popular in my church. The only gripe I have about it is that it is NOT in my favorite translation -- NAS.
BTW -- there is also a "Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible". But who would trust Reformation theology to Zondervan? Especially when it is published in the Neutered Irreverent Version?
Checked my discount sites. Found only ESV and KJ/NKJ and NIV in the Reformation Bible I think, no NAS. Why is NAS more difficult to find?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/10/2005 4:40:42 PM
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I want to share the lyrics of this song that just captured me the other day. I ordered the CD right away, and it's amazing. The artist is Bebo Norman, and the song's name is "I Have Nothing Without You."
Take these hands and lift them up
For I have not the strength to praise You near enough
I have nothing, I have nothing without You
And take my voice and pour it out
Let it sing the songs of mercy I have found
For I have nothing, I have nothing without You
All my soul needs
Is all Your love to cover me
So all the world will see
That I have nothing without You
Take my body and build it up
May it be broken as an offering of love
For I have nothing, I have nothing without You
But I love You
With all my heart
With all my soul
With all my mind
And all the strength that I can find
Take my time here on this earth
And let it glory all that You are worth
For I am nothing, I am nothing without You
He is the substance of our moral strength, and I think this is the concept that those that do not understand our view of grace are missing. His Spirit is the essence of who we are in Christ. He is everything we are that should not be burned away.
Anyway, try to hear this song. It's a real tear-jerker.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/10/2005 9:13:20 PM
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Doveflight
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Thanks for the sharing your find, Eddie. My son brought it up on line for me to listen. I liked Norman's music. Someone I had not heard before.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 8:14:22 AM
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Akira329
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I need some understanding:
What is Calvinism?
What is Reformed Theology?
What is Free Will?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 8:42:11 AM
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I need some understanding:
What is Calvinism?
What is Reformed Theology?
What is Free Will?
Well this should open some interesting stuph
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 8:51:00 AM
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Doveflight
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I need some understanding:
What is Calvinism?
What is Reformed Theology?
What is Free Will?
Hello Akira, let me shake your hand. I'm here for much the same reason besides the fact that this is one of the friendliest threads on CW. On behalf of those who have received me, welcome to a kinder, gentler world and let's learn together. It might be helpful to scan back a few pages and see the references already given for further info.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 12:32:56 PM
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Doveflight
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That idea is only safe, Eddie, if only reformed contribution be offered is stipulated up front otherwise poor Akira's heart will be torn to shreds before even a glimmer of insight creeps in. It is very very hard to understand and appreciate reformed theology in most other threads without being chewed up and spit back out in the process.
You may not be aware that Akira has already been directed here from the huckleberry thread. It's a shame to turn someone away a second time.
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If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I am made for another world. C.S. Lewis
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 3:52:42 PM
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DougHorton
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I need some understanding:
What is Calvinism?
What is Reformed Theology?
What is Free Will?
Hey, Akira329. Could you start a new thread to discuss this? This thread is just for light-hearted chatter. 
Actually I invited Akira here to ask those questions because anywhere else, as Doveflight stated, the discussion will turn into a debate.
This thread is moving much slower than it used to, so I don't think it would hurt to answer a few questions.
On the other hand, if one of you with more time than me would like to start a non-debate, thread for teaching and questions only, I'm sure that would be appreciated, also.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 4:04:11 PM
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DougHorton
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Welcome Chemdude77. Your handle looks familiar, have you been on other boards, or is it a coincidence?
Akira, as Doveflight mentioned, look back a few pages where there have been some links posted. One of the best for explaining things clearly, in my opinion is monergism.com .
From my profile, I can be contacted through email, and Ican be IMed through most of the business day through AIM, MSN and Yahoo (if I remember to turn it on.) So even off the forums, I'd be glad to field questions as I have time.
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/11/2005 4:54:22 PM
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SantaHoss
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On the other hand, if one of you with more time than me would like to start a non-debate, thread for teaching and questions only, I'm sure that would be appreciated, also.
Hmmm. I had a similar thread b4 the forum merger (Hmm Before Forum Merge... BFM) Course it was comming from the other direction. worked well. Go fer It!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/12/2005 12:14:03 AM
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Hi! My name is Lori. I go a Bible church in town whose pastors come from mainly Dallas Theological Seminary. I love the teaching I am getting at my church through my pastors or from the profs from the seminary. I didn't realize until last year that the teaching was actually called Calvinism as my church was studying T U L I P. I have come to see here that Calvinism is quite heavily debated among other denominations. The only belief I knew that was hot was "once saved always saved" as my father was always argued against it, from an independent Christian Church, to his Southern Baptist friend.
So I am glad to meet you, I already have met Euty, my captain!
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