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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 10/21/2007 5:52:26 AM
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Doveflight
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Am up early having a not so hot cup of tea. Sorry no crispy wings this early in the
day, they seem to be a bit limp.
My husband has injured his knee, possibly ACL, along with his rotercup that still
hasn't been repaired from June. Right shoulder, left knee. Not sure what God is
doing with these handicaps: Husband has a storage shed about half built, we still
have moving to finish now that the new house is completely redone. Good word
is that with all this renovation, our oldest son doesn't seem to be having any
allergy problems with the new house and the stinky smoke from the previous
occupants is finally gone. What a job.
My kindergarden son has been accepted in the elementary strings program and
daughter is learning the cello. What a great opportunity. They both read music
from previous instruction and receive private lessons as well. I am so pleased
that music is a part of their lives. I think our busyness that removes the fine
arts from our every day lifestyle is a great loss.
Enough of me. Nice to pop in. Take care, all.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 10/22/2007 8:50:44 AM
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cajunhillbilly
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It has been two years since my beloved wife, Christy, died. I still wear my wedding ring. When is it right to remove it? I hope some day to remarry, but I feel like removing it is like saying Goodbye to her forever and she is still in my heart. What do you all think? I would like to remarry.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 10/22/2007 10:23:56 AM
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doinkdom
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belated good early morning to you dove...how exciting about the kids and their music! The cello is one of my favorite instruments!
Cajunhillbilly - you wear your wedding ring as long as you want, there is no formula for grief and there is no time limit on love. Use your own discernment when it is time for you to meet someone.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 10/22/2007 3:04:12 PM
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TheoJunkie
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she is still in my heart. ... I would like to remarry
Cajun,
You asked... so I'll say... but of course I know nothing about your situation.
It seems like your two statements are in conflict with each other. If she is in your heart such that the thought of removing your ring causes you anguish... then is it really true that you "would like" to remarry?
I would suggest that until you get to the point that you are comfortable removing your ring, that perhaps you aren't "wanting" truly to remarry at this time.
Just a thought...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 10/25/2007 9:48:48 AM
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cajunhillbilly
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check this out
http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_2805839/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2808594
dispensationaism at work again.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/13/2007 11:32:25 AM
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ShallbeRebuilt
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It has been two years since my beloved wife, Christy, died. I still wear my wedding ring. When is it right to remove it? I hope some day to remarry, but I feel like removing it is like saying Goodbye to her forever and she is still in my heart. What do you all think? I would like to remarry.
Hey, cajunhillbilly;
I'm new here, but your question intrigued me. I don't think there are any formulas. My husband was killed 9 years ago. I never wore my own wedding rings much because they bothered me, but I ceased wearing them for good pretty much as soon as he died. But for a long time I wore his cross necklace, which had his wedding ring on it, daily. Eventually it came the day that I realized I was interested in someday marrying again, and I realized that having that visible could give the wrong impression. I took the ring off of it. It hurt a little, of course. But my Mom says something wise that will perhaps bring you comfort: "missin' is part of lovin'".
I no longer wear it daily...once every so often life will feel so hard that I need the encouragement of it and I will wear it. But his ring and mine are in my jewelry box.
Hope this encourages you. Do what feels right to you.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/28/2007 3:37:41 PM
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Wow -- Y'all are still here! Talk about the 'P' of TULIP!
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/28/2007 8:00:11 PM
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TheoJunkie
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Hi Doug...
I don't know if I'm really here or not, personally. I'm not subscribed to anything but this thread anymore...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/28/2007 10:42:38 PM
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I've decided I have to chat with you guys. As some of you know, I attend a Wesleyan church, but I'm not Arminian. I go there so I can attend church with my husband and keep him happy. I ran across this article online, and I have to say that I can't agree with it at all:
In contrast to common evangelical teaching on assurance of salvation, often associated with teachings on “eternal security,” Wesleyans believe that assurance of salvation is an assurance of present salvation and not final salvation. Christians can know they are presently saved, but because final salvation is contingent upon continued faith and cooperation with divine grace, there can not be any confidence about final salvation. Wesleyans believe that people can experience progress in the way of salvation by cooperating with divine grace; likewise, people can regress in the way of salvation through refusing to cooperate with divine grace. Therefore, while people can know that they are presently Christians, if they do not continue to cooperate with divine grace, they may find themselves in a place where they no longer have faith and are no longer Christians.
http://cbounds.blogspot.com/2006/09/brief-commentary-on-wesleyan-churchs_12.html
This makes it sound like man helps God save him. I can't understand that. Those who walk away from God's grace were not Christians. So that kind of bugs me.
1 John 2
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/29/2007 1:14:51 PM
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Hey there Ephesians4_32
Ya know, for me...it gets real simple.
God is sovereign, yes?
He is sovereign. He is in charge. We are His people - an annoying and sinful people? Absolutely, but God does not bounce us around, He holds us tightly so that no one may snatch us from His hand. No one.
Any other thinking always makes me wonder if someone really believes they are more powerful than the God of the universe to be able to resist or foil His plans.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/30/2007 4:26:48 AM
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Ephesians4_32
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Hey there Ephesians4_32
Ya know, for me...it gets real simple.
God is sovereign, yes?
He is sovereign. He is in charge. We are His people - an annoying and sinful people? Absolutely, but God does not bounce us around, He holds us tightly so that no one may snatch us from His hand. No one.
Any other thinking always makes me wonder if someone really believes they are more powerful than the God of the universe to be able to resist or foil His plans.
My daughter who tends to believe that God will eventually save everyone ("...who desires all men to be saved..."), asked me to explain my belief that God has chosen some to be saved. She asked, "Why would he do that?" I started to explain my speculation about it when my Arminian husband jumped in and it would have turned into an unhappy argument. So I told her that we'd talk some other time. I don't really think she'll bring it up very soon. And it will never do to send her a link.
To me, it is obvious that God allows men to not believe even though he desires that they do believe.
1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/30/2007 4:30:08 AM
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Ephesians4_32
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Today I finished my last 5 1/2 hour stint on the chemo machine and will go to a shorter, less potent drug next month. Hopefully I'll regain some vim and vigor along with some more hair again. My counts are back down to 4 and humming along, now to keep them there.
God bless!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 11/30/2007 4:45:34 AM
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Ephesians4_32
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Wow -- Y'all are still here! Talk about the 'P' of TULIP!
I believe the "P" ... if I chose to believe in Christ, how did I generate that faith? If I generated my own faith, what would be the point of my discarding it?
John 3
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
I've asked myself so many times, "Why do my siblings not believe?" The Bible says because their deeds were evil. Oh no! How can I say that an unbeliever's deeds are evil? They aren't murderers or child abusers. What constitutes evil and who is evil?
1 John 5
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
The whole world? People don't want to believe that. They want to point out the charitable acts of unbelievers and compare those unbelievers to someone like Adolph Hitler.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/2/2007 12:34:55 PM
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Doveflight
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Wow -- Y'all are still here! Talk about the 'P' of TULIP!
Hey Doug, hello hello. Gosh it has been ages. I like, Theo, don't spend much time here
anymore. Only one other subscription besides this one. How else do I keep up with my
friends here, it's like the old general store. If you check in often enough your likely to
find someone sitting playing checkers or sipping a sasparilla.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/3/2007 1:14:00 AM
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They want to point out the charitable acts of unbelievers and compare those unbelievers to someone like Adolph Hitler.
Indeed. When we compare our "goodness" relative to one another, the spectrum seems artificially large (with Hitler at or very near the bottom). Yet if we compare our goodness to God's, which is the true benchmark, Hitler comes uncomfortably close to us. God, meanwhile, maintains a safe, infinite distance.
In Him,
~Aphobos
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/4/2007 11:15:46 AM
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DougHorton
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If you check in often enough your likely to find someone sitting playing checkers or sipping a sasparilla.
Now that might be sitting at the MacDonald's in Walmart. But as Reformed, wouldn't we be smoking pipes and sipping something a little stronger than sasparilla?
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/5/2007 9:51:23 AM
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Doveflight
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Well, don't smoke and never have, Doug, but with the cerebral influence of Reformed
thinking, I can see the stereotype. I do tend to sip on wine more frequently than
sasparrilla as I meditate on the good fruits the Lord has bestowed on us.
What have you been up to in your long absence? How is are your wife and children?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/5/2007 10:10:55 AM
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I'm still at the same job - analyzing data - but now the company has been bought by IBM.
We've had some family struggles, but overall things are well. To brag a little, last year our oldest son became an Eagle Scout, was voted "most likely to succeed", the school's Star Student (highest SAT score) and valedictorian of his class. He's now at Ga Tech.
My wife has gone back to school! This is probably the best thing to happen to her in years.
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/6/2007 1:26:50 PM
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TheoJunkie
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I ran across this article online, and I have to say that I can't agree with it at all:
In contrast to common evangelical teaching on assurance of salvation, often associated with teachings on “eternal security,” Wesleyans believe that assurance of salvation is an assurance of present salvation and not final salvation. Christians can know they are presently saved, but because final salvation is contingent upon continued faith and cooperation with divine grace, there can not be any confidence about final salvation. Wesleyans believe that people can experience progress in the way of salvation by cooperating with divine grace; likewise, people can regress in the way of salvation through refusing to cooperate with divine grace. Therefore, while people can know that they are presently Christians, if they do not continue to cooperate with divine grace, they may find themselves in a place where they no longer have faith and are no longer Christians.
http://cbounds.blogspot.com/2006/09/brief-commentary-on-wesleyan-churchs_12.html
This makes it sound like man helps God save him. I can't understand that. Those who walk away from God's grace were not Christians. So that kind of bugs me.
Eph,
I'm not trying to be inflammatory when I say this... but this is basically Roman Catholic soteriology (sans purgatory). It's rather depressing to me, really, and fuels my cynical tendencies... Sometimes I think the only difference between the Wesleyans and the Catholics, are that the Wesleyans don't pray to saints, don't venerate Mary, don't believe in transubstantiation, don't go to purgatory, and don't have priests or a pope.
... which means all of the similarities are in their version of the Gospel.
... and the Gospel-- Evangelion-- is where the Reformation started, and where the term Evangelical came from.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 12/6/2007 7:24:38 PM
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YoelNatan
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I'm reformed, and will call myself Calvinist, though I'm pretty sure there are things that Calvin taught that I don't agree with.
you know I have heard that elsewhere..that they hold to TULIP but not to clavin because of his use of icons and sacraments very interesting stuff huh?
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