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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 1:09:50 PM
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Qtman
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Let me throw this question out there:
Outside of Southern Gospel circles, just how often do you have to talk to someone to consider them a friend?
In my case, if I have a lot in common with someone--say we've been through a memorable event (i.e., tough political campaign) together, or we used to attend church with them for years--then I don't have to talk to them every day to consider them a friend.
Not a mere acquaintance, a friend.
I probably have 150-200 people I consider friends (counting all the members of big families!), and another 400-500 people I recognize and consider acquaintances.
And this isn't counting Southern Gospel artists. (By the way, there are 5 or fewer SG artists that I consider friends--not close friends/best friends, but still friends.)
According to Merriam Webster you are acquaintances.
Main Entry: ac·quain·tance
Pronunciation: &-'kwAn-t&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 a : the state of being acquainted b : personal knowledge : FAMILIARITY
2 a : the persons with whom one is acquainted <should auld acquaintance be forgot -- Robert Burns> b : a person whom one knows but who is not a particularly close friend <a casual acquaintance>
There has been so much in the way of defining "acquaintance." To me, that is such a cold, almost unhappy word. I use it for someone who I know who is not a friend.
But you know what? Nobody has bothered to pull out the dictionary and define "friend." According to the Random House dictionary:
Main entry: Friend
1. a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.
2. a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter: friends of the Boston Symphony.
3. a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile: Who goes there? Friend or foe?
4. a member of the same nation, party, etc.
5. (initial capital letter) a member of the Religious Society of Friends; a Quaker.
And under definitions 1 through 4, I call several artists friends. The artists I call friends know my name, recognize me at concerts, and like me / do not dislike me.  There are a few who know my phone number and give me a call from time to time. I initiate emails; I let them initiate calls, even though I know their phone number. And I know several who do, both local and national artists.
I think under any of the definitions except #5, for the Quakers, I am justified in calling these artists friends.
As I stated earlier "friend" is defined by the heart. And there are many levels of friendship.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 1:10:45 PM
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LissaJo
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[quote=danielmount]There has been so much in the way of defining "acquaintance." To me, that is such a cold, almost unhappy word. I use it for someone who I know who is not a friend. [/quote]
Me too, Daniel! And it usually isn't about people I enjoy being around!
[quote=qtman]It is hard to stand up there and sing with a smile when sweat is running down your face and stinging your eyes. I rather see the hanky. And as far the little hop the beloved Glen Payne perfected it and noone complained. [/quote]
You are so right! I, too, would much rather see the hanky!!!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 2:39:58 PM
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This is another shining example of why Southern Gospel is at its lowest point in history for quality. If anyone offers and opinion that isn't full of rainbows and sunshine, they are attacked. While I do not agree that we should ever attack an artist, it is justified to point out where the industry as a whole should improve. I have been a Perry's fan for awhile. I went to see them right after they brought Joseph to lead. Joseph is a good singer. He is not a great singer. His stage presence is extremlly rehearsed. Due to the status of the group, his ego is a little inflated right now. Here's what we need to remember. He is in his early twenties. He will come into his own in all of these areas as he matures. The job of the industry is to point these issues out and mentor young artists so that they do mature.
Now heres where I make people mad. Im sorry. Most southern gospel fans are not trained in vocal quality. Thats why you have so many groups that cant even sing on pitch but still sell cds. The industry is far below par in quality of singers. Most SG artists would never make it in any other genre. Why is it wrong to point out that some people are not as talented as others? That type of objective listening will help to make the whole Sg world better. I love this music but it is embarrasing to turn on the radio and hear what is being produced. I cant sing so I dont get on stage.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 3:24:49 PM
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Goldcityquartetfan it almost sounds like you're using this reasoning:
-Joseph has been promoted to a very prominent spot in SG
-Joseph is not timid onstage
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-Joseph's ego must be inflated
This strikes a nerve because I've had a very conservative-minded woman question my humility because I moved from one side of the stage to the other when I was relaying the song "I Believe" to the audience. It really hurt because the only reason I did that was to bring out the song in a fuller, more exciting way. I was the least thing from being prideful, and it seemed like she made assumptions based on my stage movement alone...
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 3:30:41 PM
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Goldcityquartetfan it almost sounds like you're using this reasoning:
-Joseph has been promoted to a very prominent spot in SG
-Joseph is not timid onstage
Therefore,
-Joseph's ego must be inflated
This strikes a nerve because I've had a very conservative-minded woman question my humility because I moved from one side of the stage to the other when I was relaying the song "I Believe" to the audience. It really hurt because the only reason I did that was to bring out the song in a fuller, more exciting way. I was the least thing from being prideful, and it seemed like she made assumptions based on my stage movement alone...
Ohmygoodness. She'd better not watch Signature Sound! She's liable to have a stroke!!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 3:51:57 PM
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This is another shining example of why Southern Gospel is at its lowest point in history for quality. If anyone offers and opinion that isn't full of rainbows and sunshine, they are attacked. While I do not agree that we should ever attack an artist, it is justified to point out where the industry as a whole should improve. I have been a Perry's fan for awhile. I went to see them right after they brought Joseph to lead. Joseph is a good singer. He is not a great singer. His stage presence is extremlly rehearsed. Due to the status of the group, his ego is a little inflated right now. Here's what we need to remember. He is in his early twenties. He will come into his own in all of these areas as he matures. The job of the industry is to point these issues out and mentor young artists so that they do mature.
Now heres where I make people mad. Im sorry. Most southern gospel fans are not trained in vocal quality. Thats why you have so many groups that cant even sing on pitch but still sell cds. The industry is far below par in quality of singers. Most SG artists would never make it in any other genre. Why is it wrong to point out that some people are not as talented as others? That type of objective listening will help to make the whole Sg world better. I love this music but it is embarrasing to turn on the radio and hear what is being produced. I cant sing so I dont get on stage.
You have made the BEST, yes I said the BEST comments I have read in a long time. What you have said is the reason the top groups have a much harder time making it than in the past. So many people will hear these groups that should be in the audence because like you said of yourself, "They can't sing". They come for whatever they get in the baskets which makes it EXTREMELY hard for the tops groups to get a decent flat.
People have been introduced to SGM as being what that "SHOULD BE IN THE AUDIENCE" group sounds like, whereas QUALITY SGM is not that at all.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 3:55:42 PM
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mm80
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Goldcityquartetfan it almost sounds like you're using this reasoning:
-Joseph has been promoted to a very prominent spot in SG
-Joseph is not timid onstage
Therefore,
-Joseph's ego must be inflated
This strikes a nerve because I've had a very conservative-minded woman question my humility because I moved from one side of the stage to the other when I was relaying the song "I Believe" to the audience. It really hurt because the only reason I did that was to bring out the song in a fuller, more exciting way. I was the least thing from being prideful, and it seemed like she made assumptions based on my stage movement alone...
You need to re read their post again as they did not say it was wrong to move, only that JH's seemed too rehearsed.
You owe Goldcityquartetfan a HUGE apology.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 3:56:30 PM
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Qtman
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This is another shining example of why Southern Gospel is at its lowest point in history for quality. If anyone offers and opinion that isn't full of rainbows and sunshine, they are attacked. While I do not agree that we should ever attack an artist, it is justified to point out where the industry as a whole should improve. I have been a Perry's fan for awhile. I went to see them right after they brought Joseph to lead. Joseph is a good singer. He is not a great singer. His stage presence is extremlly rehearsed. Due to the status of the group, his ego is a little inflated right now. Here's what we need to remember. He is in his early twenties. He will come into his own in all of these areas as he matures. The job of the industry is to point these issues out and mentor young artists so that they do mature.
Now heres where I make people mad. Im sorry. Most southern gospel fans are not trained in vocal quality. Thats why you have so many groups that cant even sing on pitch but still sell cds. The industry is far below par in quality of singers. Most SG artists would never make it in any other genre. Why is it wrong to point out that some people are not as talented as others? That type of objective listening will help to make the whole Sg world better. I love this music but it is embarrasing to turn on the radio and hear what is being produced. I cant sing so I dont get on stage.
I can't fly a jet airplane either but I dont criticize those that do. Lets just eliminate all the SG artist you don't like, all those I don't like and any others don't like and maybe there will be one left to carry on the SG tradition. But I doubt it.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 4:00:03 PM
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Gerald Wolfe has a hanky, but he only pulls it out of his pocket to wipe his forehead/face when needed then he slips it back in. Now Joseph carrying a hanky is not his problem, it is mine. I will just have to deal with it. 
Excuse me but Gerald more often than not keeps his hankerchief out most of the time.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 4:19:25 PM
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I wonder how many posting in this thread have had a chance to read the Rules for the SG folder?
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To be clear, this forum is not intended for critique of the Southern Gospel music industry. Constructive criticism composed in love with the intent to help and improve is welcome, however mean-spirited criticism is not acceptable and may result in being banned from the Forum in accordance with the Terms of Service.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/14/2007 5:50:24 PM
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Thank you all for your comments good or bad. We're just reminded that we are blessed to
be a part of Gospel music. I am reminded in the bible that Jesus Christ himself was not
accepted by many of His own people, they even cried CRUCIFY HIM! Are we any better than our Savior? NO! We are in no way comparing ourselves to the Lord, but understand that when you do
a work for the Lord, not everyone is gonna like it. The devil will try to destroy and tear down, but we will continue to tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love in song. We will continue to do it in the
manner that we have been doing it and that is with respect to OUR Lord. Our prayer on our bus is
for God to make us invisable, so all the people see is HIM and not us. When you see HIM high and
lifted up, You've seen the greatest of ALL!!
Now with that being said, there's a lost world out there that needs someone to show and tell them
about Jesus Christ and what he can do for them, will YOU take the time to tell them about HIM? For in the end none of this blog stuff or people's opinion is gonna matter. What about the lost souls that are dying and going to hell while we waste time with all this other stuff?
Under Grace!!!
Libbi Perry Stuffle
The Perrys
Romans 8:18
God bless you Libbi and the rest of the Perrys! You said it very well!
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 8/25/2007 8:45:19 AM
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... I love this music but it is embarrasing to turn on the radio and hear what is being produced....
I know I read this back in May and because I am such a Perry's and Josheph fan maybe I didn't see this statement clearly. But I do agree. Sometimes I blame the local radio management for the low quality/compilation CD/constant same each day request/telling jokes/country western artist/Gaither choir cut, ... bad DJ play. When number 79 on the chart who is an artist I have never heard of whose singing is average at best and there are songs on the top twenty I never hear...that is a bad DJ. But how does an artist that I have never heard of whose singing is average at best get to number 79 on the chart?!?!
Let me be clear. The Perry's are a group that as soon as a new project comes out I buy it, no question, and Joseph is one of the reasons along with Tracy and Libbie. I don't know Nick yet. Since I am in Texas I have only been able to see them live once in the past couple of years so the hanky if it was used was not an issue.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 8/28/2007 1:43:02 AM
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It's funny that I just saw this forum on Joseph. I was just commenting to my dad a couple of days ago on how much I love this guy's voice. I have never heard the Perry's live as they never come to my area it seems, but I am itching to go see them as soon as I can.
With that said, I have never read averyfineline's blogs. Never had the time I guess. I guess I don't hear the bad stuff in Joseph's voice that some of you do. I personally think he sounds like an early Gold City's Ivan Parker. As a matter of fact I think that the song "He Forgot" sounds like a 90's Gold City style song. It sounds like something Jay, Jonathan, Mark, and Tim would sing. I think it is a great radio choice personally.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 8/28/2007 6:16:31 AM
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I am of the opinion that all doubters about Joseph's voice--except for the ones who are being contrary just to be contrary--will doubt no further when they hear Look No Further.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/15/2008 4:57:52 PM
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I could get on here and post my feelings about averyfineline but would only get moderated right out the door, and probably a good dose of heart felt conviction from the Lord (spanking), as well.
Haven't read that blog in a long time. I forgot it even existed.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/15/2008 7:51:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: goldcityquartetfan
This is another shining example of why Southern Gospel is at its lowest point in history for quality. If anyone offers and opinion that isn't full of rainbows and sunshine, they are attacked. While I do not agree that we should ever attack an artist, it is justified to point out where the industry as a whole should improve. I have been a Perry's fan for awhile. I went to see them right after they brought Joseph to lead. Joseph is a good singer. He is not a great singer. His stage presence is extremlly rehearsed. Due to the status of the group, his ego is a little inflated right now. Here's what we need to remember. He is in his early twenties. He will come into his own in all of these areas as he matures. The job of the industry is to point these issues out and mentor young artists so that they do mature.
Now heres where I make people mad. Im sorry. Most southern gospel fans are not trained in vocal quality. Thats why you have so many groups that cant even sing on pitch but still sell cds. The industry is far below par in quality of singers. Most SG artists would never make it in any other genre. Why is it wrong to point out that some people are not as talented as others? That type of objective listening will help to make the whole Sg world better. I love this music but it is embarrasing to turn on the radio and hear what is being produced. I cant sing so I dont get on stage.
Hmmm? Kinda sounds like.......uh....wait....It's on the tip of my tongue........Oh YEAH! Roy(uhhuh IN MY OPINION) Pauley! Cmon on people lighten up with the pitch and professionalism schitck. If it doesn't give glory to God I don't care how on pitch and professional you are. BTW Seen Joe back in Feburary thought he was as good as Loren not better but just as good. Most people want to hear music that uplift HIS name and can deal with everything yall are talking about. All this talk about professionalism and proper sound gets in Gods way folks. Aint but one(yeah I said aint) perfect singer His name is Jesus. So lets just sing to Him and about Him.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/16/2008 9:07:01 AM
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Amen, Amen and Amen.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/29/2008 11:16:29 AM
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Amen! We need to concern ourselves with uplifting each other -- even if someone stumbles -- Jesus never condoned stoning.
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RE: Joseph Habedank - 5/29/2008 7:41:39 PM
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I know Joseph and have shared the stage with him many times. Joseph is one of the best (if not the best) young singers to come through Gospel Music in along time and is really a nice guy. He is a confident person in what he does and I guess some folks see that in a differant way. Great singer, great writer, and one who will be around for along time.
JOE
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