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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 2:16:39 PM
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Israeli Textbook Admits Jewish State a Tragedy for Palestinians
JERUSALEM — Israel's Education Ministry announced it was offering a new textbook for Arab third-graders acknowledging for the first time that the creation of the Jewish state was a tragedy for Palestinians.
The statement remains explosive six decades after the country was founded.
The textbooks for the upcoming school year give the Jewish narrative of the events of 1948 and 1949 when Israel's creation drew an invasion by Arab armies in a conflict that displaced some 700,000 Palestinians. They point out Jews' historical connection to the Holy Land and their need for a state because of persecution in Europe, said Dalia Fenig, an Education Ministry inspector.
But for the first time, the book also explains why the war was a tragedy from the Palestinian perspective, referring to the Arab defeat as "al-Naqba," Arabic for catastrophe and the common Arab term for the war.
"The new approach says, why should you hide anything? That won't make it disappear and ... the issues can be debated," Fenig said.
However, she said the Education Ministry has no plans to introduce the Arab narrative into textbooks for Jewish students.
Good for Israel to start teaching the truth to their children.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 2:20:31 PM
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Hezbollah: Rockets Can Reach All Israel
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Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday his group possesses an arsenal of rockets that can reach all of Israel, including Tel Aviv.
"We could absolutely reach any corner and any point in occupied Palestine," Nasrallah said in excerpts of an interview with Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 2:46:58 PM
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Israeli Textbook Admits Jewish State a Tragedy for Palestinians
JERUSALEM — Israel's Education Ministry announced it was offering a new textbook for Arab third-graders acknowledging for the first time that the creation of the Jewish state was a tragedy for Palestinians.
The statement remains explosive six decades after the country was founded.
The textbooks for the upcoming school year give the Jewish narrative of the events of 1948 and 1949 when Israel's creation drew an invasion by Arab armies in a conflict that displaced some 700,000 Palestinians. They point out Jews' historical connection to the Holy Land and their need for a state because of persecution in Europe, said Dalia Fenig, an Education Ministry inspector.
But for the first time, the book also explains why the war was a tragedy from the Palestinian perspective, referring to the Arab defeat as "al-Naqba," Arabic for catastrophe and the common Arab term for the war.
"The new approach says, why should you hide anything? That won't make it disappear and ... the issues can be debated," Fenig said.
However, she said the Education Ministry has no plans to introduce the Arab narrative into textbooks for Jewish students.
Good for Israel to start teaching the truth to their children.
What the article actually says is that THE WAR was a tragedy for the Palestinians not the STATE. I wholeheartedly agree that the war was a tragedy because the surrounding Arab nations used the Palestinians to goad a war then when they lost they left the Palestinians in shambles to fend for themselves. If you want to point blame for the plight of the Palestinians because of the war then point the fingers in the right direction, Israel's Arab neighbors who chose to pick a fight and lost then turned their backs on the Palestenians.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 2:49:37 PM
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Oh, that's right. The godless Israelis are not at fault, because they are, after all, God's "chosen people". Whereas the godless Arabs "started" the war. Ok, whatever.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 2:54:10 PM
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Oh, that's right. The godless Israelis are not at fault, because they are, after all, God's "chosen people". Whereas the godless Arabs "started" the war. Ok, whatever.
The problem is, many Christians associate the creation of the Israeli state with the establishment of the return of the religion of Israel, which is patently wrong. Until Christians understand the difference, they will pin their eschatological fervor on the delusion that the faith of Israel has been restored.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 3:00:26 PM
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michlang,
I realize that, but does anybody else around here besides me and you realize that this is wrong thinking? 
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 3:01:38 PM
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Many in the world recognize that the creation of the state of Israel was in reaction to the fact that there was no place of sanctuary for the Jews to go to in times of persecution. (See WW2 and the fact that they were turned away from all corners of the world at that time.)
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 3:07:13 PM
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Oh, that's right. The godless Israelis are not at fault, because they are, after all, God's "chosen people". Whereas the godless Arabs "started" the war. Ok, whatever.
Never said anything of the sort. Do you deny the fact that the Arabs staged themselves around Israel in what is now the Palestinian areas and attacked Israel in 1948 then when they were driven out they left the Palestinians out to dry?
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/23/2007 3:09:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger
Oh, that's right. The godless Israelis are not at fault, because they are, after all, God's "chosen people". Whereas the godless Arabs "started" the war. Ok, whatever.
The problem is, many Christians associate the creation of the Israeli state with the establishment of the return of the religion of Israel, which is patently wrong. Until Christians understand the difference, they will pin their eschatological fervor on the delusion that the faith of Israel has been restored.
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michlang,
I realize that, but does anybody else around here besides me and you realize that this is wrong thinking?
I don't defend Israel based on any type of religious fervor. I do defend them as an ally to the United States and one which has been beset from all sides by hostile Arab neighbors.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 12:31:05 PM
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HOT wants to pull Christian station
Israeli cable television is planning to drop a major Christian TV network which runs missionary advertisements directed at Jews. The move has prompted threats of legal action by the station's representatives.
The decision by the Hot Cable TV to halt the broadcasts of the Daystar TV network is pending the authorization of the Israeli Council for Cable TV and Satellite Broadcasting.
A spokeswoman for the HOT cable company said in a statement that the decision to stop broadcasting the station was made "out of editorial and content considerations," and following complaints the company received for broadcasting the network.
A lawyer for the Christian station said that the decision to take the network off the air was a violation of freedom of expression.
"You cannot close down this station just because it is a Christian station," said attorney Amir Witkon.
Witkon said that he would take legal action against HOT in an Israeli court if the decision is finalized.
The Israeli Council for Cable TV and Satellite Broadcasting, which can accept or reject the cable company's request, will take up the issue at its next meeting, a spokeswoman said. The council is tentatively set to meet next month, officials said.
The station, which has been on the air in Israel since last year, is also broadcast on Israeli satellite TV, which has not asked to drop the station.
The Dallas-based Daystar TV network, which is part of the basic cable program on both HOT and YES, broadcasts a medley of Biblical teachings from the New Testament but also includes 15-minute infomercials from the "Jewish Voice Ministries International" that targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.
The network, which is similar to many Christian religious stations in the US, is broadcast on channel 110 on YES, and is available, upon request, on channel 98 on HOT.
The Christian TV Network has 128 million viewers in the US, including 60 million viewers on cable and satellite homes, and is now available in more than 200 countries around the world.
The Phoenix-based Jewish Voice Ministries International, which puts out the controversial advertisements directed at Jews, calls itself "a worldwide outreach that is dedicated to bringing the Gospel of Jesus to the Jew first and also to the Gentile throughout the world," according to its Web site.
Censorship rears it's ugly head once again in Israel, our "close ally".
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 12:33:47 PM
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World Likud head seeks evangelical funding
World Likud chairman Danny Dannon is going to the United States next week to take part in an evangelical Christian fund-raising campaign to bolster his campaign for party leadership.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 12:44:34 PM
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‘Not One Inch’ Still Alive And Well
In a week that saw the launch of yet another U.S. initiative aimed at creating a Palestinian state, a Christian group was on Capitol Hill with a very different message: boosting Palestinian moderates and “pressuring Israel” to make new concessions can only help the terrorists America is committed to fighting.
Leaders of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which drew more than 3,000 delegates to its second national convention Tuesday, said they are not trying to interfere with Israeli policy and politics, but in both congressional meetings and at a gala “night to honor Israel,” criticism of current policies of the government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was implicit.
When introducing Israeli ambassador Sallai Meridor, Gary Bauer — a former contender for the Republican presidential nomination and a CUFI board member — included a prayer that Israel will “never, under pressure from anyone, including even American politicians, give up even one centimeter of the land God has given them.” Meridor’s government is committed to an eventual withdrawal from the West Bank and creation of a Palestinian state.
He said the group hopes to be a “counterbalance” to U.S. pressure on Israel.
Pastor John Hagee, the fiery megachurch pastor and CUFI founder, insisted the group was not lobbying against the new administration Mideast initiative.
But he also called efforts to bolster Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas “appeasement,” and said his group will support Israeli policy “as long as it does not violate biblical principles.”
The group also heard emotional calls to action on Iran; Hagee has openly called for pre-emptive war to end that country’s nuclear program.
“Tell your senators and congressmen that nothing should be taken off the table at this point,” the group instructed delegates before their Wednesday lobby visits. “Iran needs to understand that Congress is open to military action if our continued economic and diplomatic pressure fails to get them to reverse course.”
Bauer told the group “you are [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad’s and Hezbollah’s and Hamas’ and Islamic Jihad’s worst nightmare.”
Somebody tell Hagee that his principles are unBiblical! More of his hate speech toward the Arab people.
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 12:57:22 PM
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Censorship rears it's ugly head once again in Israel, our "close ally". And here in America we have the "Fairness Doctrine" raising it's ugly head also. quote:
The decision by the Hot Cable TV to halt the broadcasts of the Daystar TV network is pending the authorization of the Israeli Council for Cable TV and Satellite Broadcasting. When this "censorship" becomes fact, please come back and let us know, OK?
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 1:05:14 PM
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I'm just reporting the news, is all. 
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RE: Israel in the News - 7/26/2007 1:32:01 PM
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As I'm dealing with "facts" and then biblical facts in the conspiracy threads, news is fact. Best to report that.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/7/2007 10:33:27 AM
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Jewish squatters in Hebron forcibly removed
HEBRON, West Bank - Israeli police on Tuesday forcibly removed Jewish squatters who were holed up in several apartments in the market area of the biblical city of Hebron.
Police units, backed by army troops, were confronted by hundreds of angry settlers, who spit at the troops and hurled stones, water, oil and cement. The evacuation began at 6:30 a.m., police said. A few of the settlers had holed themselves inside a concrete enclosure.
Hebron, a frequent flashpoint of tensions between Israelis and Palestinians, is home to about 500 Jewish settlers living in heavily guarded enclaves among some 160,000 Palestinians. Clashes are frequent.
Good for the Israeli army to crack down on the illegal activities of their own people finally.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/7/2007 11:40:36 AM
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Israel Warns Against Travel in Mideast
Tuesday August 7, 11:25 am ET
Israel Warns Against Travel in Egypt and Jordan
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israeli security officials are warning citizens traveling in Egypt, Jordan and other Muslim countries to leave immediately due to a "concrete and severe" threat of terror attacks.
Israelis anywhere in the world should also be alert to the danger of being kidnapped by operatives from Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group, according to the announcement from Israel's National Security Council on Monday.
Israeli tourists are allowed to visit Egypt and Jordan, which have peace agreements with Israel. But the council said any Israeli citizens in those countries should cut their trips short.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070807/israel_travel_warning.html?.v=1
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/7/2007 12:10:11 PM
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Why, is Israel planning on bombing or invading those countries?
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 7:59:56 AM
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Why, is Israel planning on bombing or invading those countries?
Or there is the other possibility, the more likely one, that they are attempting to protect their citizens well being.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 9:00:25 AM
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But why warn against traveling in Egypt and Jordan. Both are Israel's allies and both are relatively safe countries.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 9:29:17 AM
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From the link in question -
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Israelis anywhere in the world should also be alert to the danger of being kidnapped by operatives from Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group, according to the announcement from Israel's National Security Council on Monday. As far as I remember, Egypt and Jordan are somewhere in the world. Travel advisories are issued to Americans all the time. Why the big deal over an Israeli advisory?
Oh yeah, it's Israel....
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 10:10:02 AM
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Oh, that's right. The godless Israelis are not at fault, because they are, after all, God's "chosen people". Whereas the godless Arabs "started" the war. Ok, whatever.
The problem is, many Christians associate the creation of the Israeli state with the establishment of the return of the religion of Israel, which is patently wrong. Until Christians understand the difference, they will pin their eschatological fervor on the delusion that the faith of Israel has been restored.
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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger
michlang,
I realize that, but does anybody else around here besides me and you realize that this is wrong thinking?
I don't defend Israel based on any type of religious fervor. I do defend them as an ally to the United States and one which has been beset from all sides by hostile Arab neighbors.
That's fine. But why not support another country, in the same region, surrounded by "hostile" Arab nations on three sides--Armenia. Armenia is even a Christian nation (a beautiful nation--I have visited several times). The United States will still not recognize the Armenian genocide, due mostly to its NATO connection with Turkey (Turkey is accused of perpetrating the genocide--Hitler once said, If no one remembers the Armenians, who will remember the Jews). It seems that at times, America supports those allies which benefit them the most, not those that need the most help.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 10:21:57 AM
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Why, is Israel planning on bombing or invading those countries?
Or there is the other possibility, the more likely one, that they are attempting to protect their citizens well being.
BINGO !
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/8/2007 10:38:40 AM
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I don't defend Israel based on any type of religious fervor. I do defend them as an ally to the United States and one which has been beset from all sides by hostile Arab neighbors.
That's fine. But why not support another country, in the same region, surrounded by "hostile" Arab nations on three sides--Armenia. Armenia is even a Christian nation (a beautiful nation--I have visited several times). The United States will still not recognize the Armenian genocide, due mostly to its NATO connection with Turkey (Turkey is accused of perpetrating the genocide--Hitler once said, If no one remembers the Armenians, who will remember the Jews). It seems that at times, America supports those allies which benefit them the most, not those that need the most help.
Notice i said that I defend Israel as an ALLY (last time i checked that is what allies do). Is Armenia in that category? Most importantly, when was the last time Armenia's Arab neighbors lobbed rockets into Armenia? When was the last time Armenia's Arab neighbors paid for Muslim suicide bombers to kill innocents in a market? When was the last time that Armenia's Arab neighbors called for Armenia to be pushed into the sea (and yes i know enough geography to know that is impossible for land locked Armenia)? If Armenia becomes beset in the same way as Israel by it's Arab neighbors I say we defend them as well.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/10/2007 3:38:49 AM
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Originally, I was going to jumpstart a stand alone thread, BUT just to be safe, I thought I might wanna post it here on the "Israel in the news" forum:
Of all the foreign countries Michael Moore criticizes--especially regarding recent American (foreign policy) history from the Cold War onward, I'm wondering if the Fahrenheit 9-11 director has ever made some controversial statements towards Israel, especially with how lately this current Bush administration is so in tune with the Jewish nation, that some pundits have labeled Bush Jr. as America's first Jewish president. In worst case scenarios, like say with Cindy Sheehan, and Jimmy Carter (the 'Peace Not Apartheid' book), where it's currently 'en vogue' for the Left to decry The Holy Land as not only a place of alleged (purported?) discrimination of Palestinians, but likewise to even accuse Israel of being the mastermind nation, trying to manipulate American foreign policy into starting the much-derisive, 'oil war.'
Though I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9-11 in its entirety, I'm just curious to think if Moore made some provocative suggestions that they (Israel) played even the slightest role in our involvement in Iraq right now. 
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