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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/27/2007 10:35:40 PM
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I heard there were steroids in the medicine cabinet at his house. Really? I went to the wwe website and found a statement released by the company concerning the deaths of Benoit and his family. HERE is a link to that statement, and following are a couple of excerpts from it.quote:
The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions. Legal prescriptions are all that was found. I've heard the same you did. I personally do not believe it.quote:
Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. At one point it probably was encouraged by the WWE. Not anymore. They're under the microscope a lot more now than they used to be.quote:
The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage. This is actually what concerns me the most. The evidence seems to be pointing directly against the idea of any kind of steroid rage, but that's the story that the news is using. It's almost as if they have made up their mind and that's it. The newscasters are supposed to report the facts, not make them up.
SonInMe, I've already addressed your question. I'm sure they are doing so, but I disagree with that. While I do agree that we should be professional both in public and in private, I disagree totally with flushing this man's career down the toilet because of his sin. If we're going to start doing that, where do we stop?
Anywhos... I do have to object to the choice for ECW champion. But then, I'm kinda partial to CM Punk.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/27/2007 11:08:57 PM
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Anywhos... I do have to object to the choice for ECW champion. But then, I'm kinda partial to CM Punk
I don't care for Nitro either. He has potential, but he is not a main event level guy yet. There are a lot of guys that should have been a world champion before Nitro. People like Hardcore Holly, Matt or Jeff Hardy, or even Tommy Dreamer.Some of those kinda guys that have been around for a while.
Having Nitro as champ puts him in every PPV now until he loses the title.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/27/2007 11:12:42 PM
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Exactly. I think it's a mistake. I would prefer Tommy Dreamer to Johnny Nitro.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/27/2007 11:39:12 PM
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Wrestler Chris Benoit, Wife Argued Over Retarded Child Before Murder-Suicide
In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.
"I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."
Click here to see pictures of Benoit.
McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287054,00.html
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 12:47:41 AM
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Just breaks my heart that the child was killed after a dispute that could have been resolved peacefully.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:06:16 AM
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Yes, I do think every employer (mine included) has a right to know when, and if, their employee has been involved in a criminal act. I think it is imperative to know if a person is predisposed to violent behavior, which is what domestic violence includes.
An innocent person has nothing to hide .
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a) Just because a person is predisposed to violent behavior does NOT mean they are a danger to ANYONE. After all, Marines are predisposed to violent behavior, but would you want them to NOT be so?
b) An employer has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to know anything about my life outside the office that I do not choose to disclose. Only if I CHOOSE to disclose it or I bring it into the office does it have ANY bearing on my employer.
But that is a discussion for another topic. Might be an interesting one though.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:34:56 AM
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Exactly. I think it's a mistake. I would prefer Tommy Dreamer to Johnny Nitro.
I went to WWE.com and looked at the people on ECW. Not much to choose from. They only have 20 people on that show. 2 announcers, 3women, and RVD. It only leaves 14 guys to pick from. Mike Knox is on there, but I have not seen him in a while. C.M. Punk or Marcus Cor Von would be better champions (IMO).They will probably have to move someone else over there just to teach those guys. That was what Benoit was supposed to do.
BTW did anyone see ECW tuesday night. After C.M. Punks match, it looked like he was talking and pointing to heaven and they took the camera off of him. Did that happen or was it just my imagination?
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:43:07 AM
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Those days of employers not knowing anything about us outside the office are already disappearing. With all the mass shootings etc occuring it is becoming more and more evident that people's actions outside of the work environment have a huge effect on the workplace.
I'm guessing this situation with Benoit will bring changes to the WWF as well, but sports environments are not comparable to the Marines. There is a HUGE difference in violence as a form of entertainment and violence as a result of war. But it is an interesting point- how common is domestic violence in families of war veterans, and how does the Military address it. Food for another topic!
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 11:02:12 AM
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future hospitalizations or treatments for knee(s), which about once a year or two acts up --- no steroids.
I just want to point out that corticosteroids that are used for treating inflammation and allergic reactions are NOT the same as anabolic steroids used to increase muscle mass.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 11:15:32 AM
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This is actually what concerns me the most. The evidence seems to be pointing directly against the idea of any kind of steroid rage, but that's the story that the news is using. It's almost as if they have made up their mind and that's it. The newscasters are supposed to report the facts, not make them up.
SonInMe, I've already addressed your question. I'm sure they are doing so, but I disagree with that. While I do agree that we should be professional both in public and in private, I disagree totally with flushing this man's career down the toilet because of his sin. If we're going to start doing that, where do we stop?
The effects of steroids use don't just cause acute violent bursts of rage. It can also cause longer-lasting depression, paranoia, and violent behavior.
Look whose saying it is not steroids- the wrestling associations- of course they want people to believe that!
And if it is true that they have recently started testing for steroids and he may have recently stopped or cut down... major depression can result from a sudden decrease in steroid use.
The fact that it wasn't a fit of rage (as far as we can tell) does not mean it was not steroid related.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 11:19:48 AM
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Anywhos... I do have to object to the choice for ECW champion. But then, I'm kinda partial to CM Punk
I don't care for Nitro either. He has potential, but he is not a main event level guy yet. There are a lot of guys that should have been a world champion before Nitro. People like Hardcore Holly, Matt or Jeff Hardy, or even Tommy Dreamer.Some of those kinda guys that have been around for a while.
Having Nitro as champ puts him in every PPV now until he loses the title.
Now that Sandman is on RAW, I would like to see Tommy Dreamer have the title again. I like CM Punk and all, but I think I would like to see one of the originals as champion for a while.
Anyone hear that TNA is trying to court RVD?
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The fact that it wasn't a fit of rage (as far as we can tell) does not mean it was not steroid related.
Regardless of whether it was steroid related or not, its not going to bring these people back. All that is going on right now is they are trying to find someone to blame. The person to blame for this is dead. He's in God's hands now, and is facing a judgement much more severe than anything that could be done down here.
Last night Bill O'Reilly said that this was going to bring down professional wrestling. I had a good long laugh at that. If an NFL star went out in a fit of steroid rage or whatever you want to call it and did something like this, people wouldn't be trying to blame his team or his franchise for what happened. They would place the blame soley on him. Obviously the WWE is not putting up with drug usage anymore, being that these guys are being tested on a regular basis. Now does that mean that in the last three months Benoit hadn't started using steroids? I couldn't say and neither can anyone else until the toxicology reports come back, but even if they do come back that he was hopped up on roids, what will it change? Will it bring Nancy and Daniel back? No.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 11:49:07 AM
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From an article discussing Daniel's disability on WWE's website:
“Is it possible that after Chris killed Nancy (for whatever reason), he felt Daniel wouldn't be able to get the care and attention he required as a special needs child (if that is indeed true) with no mother and a father either in jail or dead? Did he then decide that the only way he could protect and take care of his son was to take him to the next world and go with him? In his warped and twisted state, did he think this was the only way to shield his son from a difficult life of pain and hardship? It doesn't condone or justify a <snip> thing, but it's the best reason I can think of. I'm trying to put together some semblance of logic for his actions, but it's an impossible task trying to explain this.”
I had considered that this was a possibility even before I read of Daniel's special needs. It would explain the lapse of time between the murders. Suicidal mothers who murder their children first usually do so out of a twisted, warped desire to protect their children.
Anabolic steroids can continue to cause a lot medical and psychological problems long after a person stops taking them. Another article stated that Benoit was being treated for a testosterone deficiency that was caused by his past abuse of steroids. Even if he wasn't taking steroids now he could still have been dealing with severe depressive episodes. Such a depressive episode would be enough to twist his reasoning to cause him to kill Daniel. Nancy's murder is another story.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 12:23:37 PM
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Anyone hear that TNA is trying to court RVD?
I heard that, but I think he had a clause in his WWE contract that keeps him for wrestling for 90 days after his contract ends. I think most of the wrestlers have this in their contracts now because of some of the things that went on during the Monday night wars. Ravishing Rick Rude was on both Raw and Nitro on the same night. Vince use to take people a their word, but it worked against him. Lex Luger also wrestled at a WWE event one night and showed up the next night on WCW.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 1:13:03 PM
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Last night Bill O'Reilly said that this was going to bring down professional wrestling.
He says alot of things. This fits right in with his culture war. Although I must say I think society would be better off if we turned back the clock on some stuff. Doesn't mean I respect O Reilly very much.
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That was pretty surreal. Of course the Raw was pretaped. I loved Jr's "Looks like Rick Rude is here" deadpan.
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Vince use to take people a their word, but it worked against him.
Didn't take Bret Hart at his word that he wouldn't take the WWF title to WCW. I heard this was a big reason why Rude left. But I will concede there are two legitimate sides to that story.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 1:27:37 PM
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Anyone hear that TNA is trying to court RVD?
Hadn't heard that. Hmm... RVD on TNA? I'd like to see that. I'd like to see that about as much as I'd love to see someone as champ other than John Cena.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 1:47:02 PM
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I'd love to see someone as champ other than John Cena.
Problem is: who? Edge would be a good choice but he's the champ on Smackdown. Orton? He's pretty good in the ring and on the mic but champ (other than transitional)? I don't know. His behavior can be problematic as well. Booker T would be a good choice (very good charisma and good in the ring) but he is injury prone. Batista? Great non verbal charisma and great look but not good at all in the ring and his mic skills leave something to be desired. Kennedy: Haven't seen him and he is another injury case but the question isn't if he should be champ but when? He may need a bit more developing. Lashley: nah, needs more experience and overall improvement. Triple H and HBK of course but they are out right now and its a been there, done that deal. I don't think they would benefit from being a champ the same way Cena and Edge do.
Cena isn't the icon they hoped for but he may still be the best they can do right now.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 1:54:23 PM
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Cena isn't the icon they hoped for but he may still be the best they can do right now.
Boy, isn't that the truth. Maybe if Jericho stops this cat and mouse game with McMahon and decides to come back the WWE, then they'll be someone championship worthy again.
Cena has grown on me over the last couple of years, but I agree that its time for a new champ. He's had it long enough. I was hoping with this draft that things would be shaken up a bit more than they have been, and that someone real good would come around to take the belt.
But like Rufus said, the problem is, who?
Also, did anyone read Neidhart's Where are they now on WWE.com? He said he's still in shape and could still get in the ring. Do you think he would do better on WWE or TNA?
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 5:45:26 PM
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Also, did anyone read Neidhart's Where are they now on WWE.com? He said he's still in shape and could still get in the ring. Do you think he would do better on WWE or TNA?
You mean Jim "the Anvil" Neidhart? Put him in WWE as the mouthpiece / veteran leader in WWE for the Hart Foundation 2k7. I don't know though, even in his prime he wasn't much aside from tagging with Bret.
As far as the champ, I'd give it to Booker T. He can challenge Cena (T being the heel) and take the belt with outside interference (preferably two guys who are not main eventers, we'll call them Heel 1 and Heel 2). Cena gets hurt (storyline wise of course) and takes some time off. Booker resents the idea that he needed the help (which he did not ask for) to win and turns face to prove that he can be champ. Heel 1 and Heel 2 go after Booker. Booker has a no DQ match against Heel 1, Heel 2 constantly interferes against Booker until Cena evens the odds and helps Booker win. Cena and Booker go after the two heels and they win the feud. Then Cena challenges Booker for the title. The result: depends on what is going on at the time as far as popularity, injuries and such.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 6:08:13 PM
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I did not realize his son was a special needs child...that makes this even more tragic..wow just so incredibly gut wrenching to think of that little boy who idolized his dad facing those last moments.
It is definitely true about the body failing to produce adequate levels of testosterone and depression being a common side effect after one has used steriods. There was a report out this week along those lines in relation to the large number of teenage boys committing suicide.
It's a shame the media doesn't air those facts more often.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 6:39:15 PM
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Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
Thursday, June 28, 2007
By Blane Bachelor
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.
Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.
The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment: CLICK ON LINK BELOW
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 6:41:52 PM
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Another Pro Wrestler Found Dead Days Before Benoit Murder-Suicide
Thursday, June 28, 2007
A week to the day before pro wrestling wife Nancy Benoit was found murdered in her suburban Atlanta home, the body of former pro wrestler and manager Sherri Martel was discovered in her mother's Alabama home, the cause of death unknown.
Martel, a pro wrestler in the WWE Hall of Fame who went by the ring name "Sensational Sherri," and who later managed the likes of "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase, Ric Flair and "Macho Man" Randy Savage, was found dead by her husband Robert Schrull at her mother's home in McCalla, Ala., on June 15, according to the Tuscaloosa News newspaper.
Click here to read how Nancy Benoit's death was posted to the Internet hours before police found her body.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 7:29:35 PM
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Speaking of which I just found out the other day that HHH is the head writer for the WWE.
HHH has been a writer in WWE for a while now. Vince still has the final say in everything.
I do like Booker T getting the title and that was a real good storyline.
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I do like Booker T getting the title and that was a real good storyline.
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Thanks to both of you. I think the WWE needs to go back to basics for now. Two or more guys fighting over something they want or over revenge. Give them a rationale to not like each other / fight and let them do what they do best: entertain us with their promos and matches. As a whole they are unbelievably good at what they do and often take subpar writing and turn it into something entertaining.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 8:41:55 PM
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Drug Agents Raid Offices of Pro Wrestler Chris Benoit's Personal Physician
Thursday, June 28, 2007
State and federal drug agents staged a late-night raid of the offices of pro wrestler Chris Benoit's personal physician and met with the district attorney investigating the Benoit murder-suicide on Thursday morning to see if any charges should be filed.
The offices of Dr. Phil Astin were raided just before midnight Wednesday, officials said. Astin was at his office at the time of the raid.
Officials said the raid stemmed from the investigation into drugs found in the Benoit home after the bodies of the pro wrestler and his wife, Nancy, and 7-year-old son, Daniel, were found Monday afternoon, Capt. Mike Pruitt said.
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Speaking of which I just found out the other day that HHH is the head writer for the WWE. I said, so that's who we can blame for the last McMahon storyline.